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Study finds no benefit, higher death rate in patients taking hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19

pauldun170

pauldun170

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As expected
Trump full of shit and was simply participating in market manipulation
Just gotta see how the study holds up to review

www.cnn.com

Study finds no benefit, higher death rate in patients taking hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19 | CNN

Coronavirus patients taking hydroxychloroquine, a treatment touted by President Trump, were no less likely to need mechanical ventilation and had higher deaths rates compared to those who did not take the drug, according to a study of hundreds of patients at US Veterans Health Administration...
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NIH (Dr. Fauci) has already issued guidance to doctors and hospitals to stop using these drug(s) to treat Covid-19. This effectively kills use of the treatment by any reputable US healthcare providers. Not gonna wait for peer review. Will likely be interpreted as Fauci upstaging his boss, lol.

www.npr.org

NIH Panel Recommends Against Drug Combination Promoted By Trump For COVID-19

The group of experts, assembled under the agency run by Dr. Anthony Fauci, warns that using a combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin could result in potential toxicities.
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covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov

Information on COVID-19 Treatment, Prevention and Research

COVID-19 treatment and research information from the US federal government.
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Not shocked at all. The evidence for this drug to date has been extremely weak - nothing even close to supporting widespread, off label "compassionate" use.

This is why we run real trials instead of using our feels and solely relying on a petri dish or a sample size of 1.
 
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Im surprised Fauci lasted thing long.
Everybody who makes Donald looks stupid (which is everyone) gets fired very quickly.
He's even tried firing people that don't work for him!
 
Hey.... no one every said this was a miracle drug, IT WAS ONLY DONALD TRUMP that said this was a miracle drug. Dr Donald Trump.
And now we know that Donald Trump has financial interest in this drug.
I think Donald should have stuck with his marketing steaks and vodka. Then Donald could claim his steaks and vodka cures COVID 19. And who knows? Trump’s steaks and vodka probably contains so many preservatives that it just might kill a virus. And give you exploding diarrhea. 😳
 
shortylickens said:
Im surprised Fauci lasted thing long.
Everybody who makes Donald looks stupid (which is everyone) gets fired very quickly.
He's even tried firing people that don't work for him!
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optics, it wouldn't reflect well on trump and you know trump is all about the optics. that and it's a little bit harder for trump to fire a non-political federal employee.
 
Just some clarifications:
1. This is a retrospective cohort -- meaning they reviewed charts in a system meeting their criteria after they had already been treated. This is relatively low on the evidence chain since there are a lot of likely confounding variables which can be very hard to identify and control for. You have to ask -- are patients in the cohort being prescribed hydroxychloroquine because they are sicker in the first place? All that said, they would certainly try to identify and use statistical methods to account for that. It's just an inherently imperfect mode of study which is why we do randomized controlled trials. This is cheaper and faster, hence why we're seeing the data now.
2. It's not published yet, so it needs to hold up on peer review. However, given the source of the funding, I think it's very unlikely that there are any major flaws in the study (apart from those which are inherent in a retrospective cohort)

All this said, whether or not hydroxycholroquine will be shown to have some utility for COVID-19 in RCT is still uncertain. The idea that it is a miracle treatment which we should be using clinically until we have more data? That, as has been pointed out, has now been blown out of the water.
 
Trump already had the heads up. The hint was that he hasn't talked about it in almost a week. This whole episode is scary. Whether it worked or not, no President given their out sized megaphone should be pushing any drug. Leave it to the doctors and scientists. The Congress has really abdicated any semblance of oversight and we are the so much worse for it.
 
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