CallMeJoe
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When initiating a war without explicit casus belli he appropriate pace is slow and deliberate. The Bush administration had to rush into Iraq before the UN inspectors were able to show that the WMD tales were total fiction.
Now let me step back out of the way before I get caught in the middle of the ever-so-mature and enlightening pissing contest you and 1EZduzit pursue so vigorously. I'm unsure of the protocol; which of you am I supposed to call an ugly little wise and beautiful woman as I sign off?
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Color me surprised. It seems alot of these supposedly "non-partisan" groups lead back to soros. Not so "non-partisan", no?
TastesLikeChicken
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I don't have to read any further to know that the remainder of you reply is comprised of yet another one of your overly-theaterical, rhetorical rants full of bold fonts and emoticons, Harvey. You can't quite seem to figure out that you're bitching about something that is history and cannot be changed.
And spare me any of the trite hyperbole about learning our mistakes for the future. The vast majority of us already filed that information away for reference before you regurgitated the same crap 500 times over.
btw. What's your major fucking malfunction that you can't understand that your CnP, broken record rants were tediously tiresome long ago? Get some new material, troll.
TastesLikeChicken
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TastesLikeChicken
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Jaskalas
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We exported democracy, we got Sharia. That is not worth American coin, let alone American blood. We aided the expanse of radical Islam by removing their oppressor. We helped our killers by giving them another nation to own.
To put it into context, President Bush said it best, unknowingly referring to himself.
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It still amazes me that people are still trying to blame Clinton for Bush's actions.
Bush is on the record for making these statements.
And the people who talking about not having a time machine, wtf are you talking about?
Bush is on the record for making these statements.
And the people who talking about not having a time machine, wtf are you talking about?
Wonderful logic; murderers and war criminals cannot be punished because the murder is already committed, so what's the point... :roll:
Or if that is not what you mean then please explain your logic.
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What they are saying is that when it is their guy, that murderers and war criminals cannot be punished.
TastesLikeChicken
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Clinton is on record for making the very same statements.
It's not about "blaming Clinton for Bush's actions." But for those who want to harp on "Bush's lies" you better recognize that they were Clinton's lies, Pelosi's lies, Kennedy's lies, Kerry's lies, and a whole gaggle of Democrat's lies too. You guys seem to want to pretend that statements about Saddam's dreaded WMDs were manufactured by Rove's neocon cabal and began with Bush when that's not the case. You want to pretend this is Bush's war when plenty of Democratic congress-critters signed off on the AUMF.
So if we're going to hang anybody for Iraq it better be a mass hanging and Hillary should be dangling right next to GWB. But you surely wouldn't want that because you really don't want to go after the people who got us into Iraq. You're just spiteful partisan tools and that's all there is to it.
Hayabusa Rider
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What you continually ignore is that Hillary didn't order the soldiers into Iraq. Did the Dems on the whole fold? Yep they did. Being politicians they knew they would have been crucified for opposing Bush's desire for the war. They folded.
So Bush get's the blame for pushing the war. He get's credit for pushing it. He gets credit for cherrypicking and pushing doubtful intel. Hillary didn't mistrust Bush. Hillary folded to public pressure. She signed off on Bush's War. Fair enough. PS. I can't stand Hillary. It's that I know who ordered the troops into war and it wasn't her.
StageLeft
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Of course they were, don't be ridiculous. If anybody here took the time to watch a recent piece by NPR--by my estimation one of the few news organizations worth sh*t anymore--they'd know that there was a LOT of internal dissent in US intelligence about these so-called smoking guns.
I can't believe anybody defends the commander in chimp who has gotten this nation into a very costly (lives and money) war over grossly false information. The war's prime reason, WMD, has been shown as false and the war continues to offer nothing positive, but instead of calling a duck a duck people are now trying to say "Well, it is what it is, let's stop the blame game." despite the person who did it is still running the show. THAT is the point of laying blame, to try and undermine further poor leadership by this twit who started it all.
And stop blaming the democrats. They were complicit but they did not pull the trigger. They are very much to blame as well (those who went along with this, though I know that they did not have all of the same information that the bush admin did), but when an organization fvcks the pooch, the fault should fall to the leader primarily.
Off the top of my head his surprise and claim that nobody had thought of running planes into buildings, although he had been briefed of this possibility months before 911. I don't have a link--it was in that massive, multi-page 911 timeline I've been unable to find on google but was posted here a little while ago.
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The war was started back in '91.
Information was being collected regarding Iraq's intentions and attempts. That collection occurred under Bush I (1 Yr), Clinton (8 Yrs) and Bush II (2 Yrs). Considering that the Dems had more years of collection than anyone else and the Dem/Repub leaders should have been kept privy to the intelligence (unless the Clintons were also cherry picking), there should have been plenty of advance knowledge to stand up and say something.
Yet all the politicians just played CYA.
Hillary claims that she was a full partner with Bill, therefore she should have as much knowledge as anyone else on what the story was. I do not recall her standing up in 01->03 and stating that "this is not the truth".
Bush may have ordered the troops; the pols on all sides had the knowledge to slow/delay/stop if they desired. They are just as responsible. The fights last fall on Capital Hill were about funding - Congress did nothing about controlling the funding in the beginning; they just wrote blank checks until the military finished the job and the politicians took over.
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: alchemize
Boy you are grudgeful, thin-skinned little wise and beautiful woman aren't you? I'm just laughing at your complete inability to even see my posts without your blood pressure rising. Literally every thread you respond to me now you bring this up. What a pussy!Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: alchemize
You never can debate with me without getting personal can you, you sorry little wise and beautiful woman.Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: alchemize
Hmm, I believe they missed a few statements by some other politicians....surely a mistake by this completely non-biased study
/cue Pabster's list.
The great dems, they can't admit they were complicit in this trainwreck, so they have to say they were stupid.
But we all know who the engineer was.... and he wasn't a Dem. Now instead of trying to deflect responsibility, try taking it and demand justice. Or are you just one more partisian hack?
Justice? :roll: Whatever.
Bush acted within the law as commander in chief and with the approval of congress and no jury (except one of rabid P&N'ers) would convict based on left wing screechings "he lied!". 1 )Because of precedent. Presidents since the US has started have engaged in wars, wars the engages in US are always a political exercise (with one notable exception). 2) Because in order to prove deception, you have to prove knowledge, and nobody can prove that Bush "knew" there weren't WMD's.
So you'll have to excuse me if I dismiss your assertion that I'm a partisan hack because I'm not demanding "justice".
I don't have to excuse anything.
Your just another hack if you think you can lay the blame for Iraq on the Dems. Continue fooling yourself and your other political hack ass-sociates all you want. This country knows who the "decider" was in the RUSH to war, even if your too bull headed to see it.
I've never asserted that the Dems are to *blame* on Iraq. I said they were complicit, which clearly they were, and only a partisan hack would say they weren't.
Tell me, what would Iraq look like right now if Congress hadn't approved the use of force? Are you intellectually honest enough to answer that question?
PS: "Rushing" to war - show me what criminal statute that violates? What is the appropriate pace to go to war?
Are you so deadheaded as to try and argue that Bush rushing us to war was OK because he never violated a criminal statute? We as a nation placed our trust in Bush after 9/11 and the dumb bastard couldn't even get his his facts straight. Some fucking leader!!!!
Why didn't Bush wait for the UN inspections? They were making progress, but according to Bush (and his NeoCon supporters) the threat was so grave we couldn't wait that long. OK, show me the WMD's then.
And dumb fucks like you are still defending him???
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Your are a sorry ass excuse for a human being.
LOL, I wonder why?? You think your sending me nasty little PM's has something to do with that? You made your bed, now you can lie in it, "you sorry little wise and beautiful woman".
Bush was given a chance to be mentioned in the same breath along with the best Presidents we ever had, and just like everything else he mucked it up. Now he can go down as arguably the worst we ever had.
But, but, but, I didn't break any criminal statutes that can be proven? I hope that's what they chisel for an epitah on his headstone.
Speaking of headstones, stay healthy now, would hate for anything bad to happen to such a nice guy! :thumbsup:
WHy don't you unblock me from your PM's? Maybe because your TOO MUCH OF A PUSSY? LMAO@U pussy. Give me a big MEEEEOOOWW.
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:lips:
There's nobody on my PM block list, least of all you douchebag. So if you want to PM me feel free, I'm sure many would prefer it to seeing your tantrums whenever you start to lose a debate. Just don't go whining to the mods and posting my PM's like a toddler again when you don't like my response.
Let's talk about TLC's lies.
A few of the statements about WMD were made by both Dems and Repubs. Other statements on Iraq, however, are Bush's alone. TLC doesn't include them in his 'summary'.
You lying ass, you blocked me after you sent me your poison PM, so quit trying to act like you didn't. It's you who are acting like a child sending deathwishes to people you disagree with like it's nothing but a game. Fuck you too.
I do my arguing in the open. If it's not fit to post then it's not fit to send in a PM either. Grow up and act like a man. I know it's difficult for you to think your no better then anybody else, but your not.
If you want to square this then apologize and admit you went over the line of common decency.... and do it here, publicly. Otherwise, take a hike.
No, but it would be a good start to try Bush, Cheney, Gonzales, Rumsfeld, Rove and the rest of the Bushwacko liars, traitors, murderers and torturers for their crimes. It's essential to the integrity and the future of our democratic institutions and to show our own people and the world that our democracy works, and we really do believe in the rule of law.
I take "hanging" them to mean trying and convicting them in open court. I believe they're all guilty of the murder of every one of the thousands of American troops who have died in Iraq and treason for shredding the rights guaranteed to all Americans under the U.S. Constitution, and those who ordered and condoned torture are criminals under both U.S. and international law, but sentencing them to death wouldn't accomplish anything.
Instead, I believe they should all be given all expenses paid lifetime vacations at the beautiful downtown Guantanamo Hilton with free daily passes for the exciting waterboard ride. It isn't torture. They said so, themselves so we can believe them... right? :roll:
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In response to a report that in the two years following the Sept 11, 2001 attacks, Mr Bush and et made hundreds of false statements concerning Iraq, some people here try to divert the thread to a criticism of Clinton and the Democrats.
Who are the political hacks here?
Who are the political hacks here?
I won't carry on a public argument with you, as much as you would like it I'm sure the rest of the forum doesn't.
I'll close with you brought my personal life into this first, douchebags like you are the best reason to remain anonymous on the internet. Take your demand for an "apology" and stick it up your ass. Feel free to carry on but I won't bother with a response.
TastesLikeChicken
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