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Study - Casual sex not that great for women

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I think it comes down to evolutionary reasons, the reasons why men and women are wired differently in regards to sexual behavior and goals of that behavior. While both want to spread their genes, due to biological differences and each sexes role in that spreading of the genes, different behaviors and goals are unavoidable.

Unavoidable until we evolve (or devolve?) so that reproduction occurs completely outside the body perhaps?

edit: of course we humans are pretty much immune to the pressures of selective evolution now.
 
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Doc Savage Fan said:
It's your turn to respond with specifics. To blow him off saying let's agree to disagree is really bad form in my opinion.
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Nobody cares about your opinion.

But here goes.




Atomic Playboy said:
1. The article claims (and you seem to agree with it) that the only way to enjoy a sexual encounter is to achieve orgasm. I disagree.
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Ok, and?

You disagree, so what?


Atomic Playboy said:
2. Your commentary on this study is "As the liberal left spread their lies and filth, the truth continues to come out," which has literally nothing tying it back to the study at all. I could argue that this study shows why conservatives all beat their wives and it would make just as much sense, which is to say, exactly none.
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Study has nothing to do with wifebeating.


Atomic Playboy said:
3. You later claim that "To say women can be as sexually liberated as men is a lie," which is a position I vehemently disagree with. Again, you're equating an orgasm as being the sole purpose of casual sex (which I've already disagreed with)
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Ok, I get the point, you disagree.

So what, yet again.


Atomic Playboy said:
4. "The only ones spreading lies is the liberal left. Telling women they can enjoy casual sex just like men is a lie." A doubling down of your last two points; first, that somehow this is related to the "liberal left," as if conservative women weren't having casual sex; and second, continuing the argument that the only way to enjoy sex is if orgasm is achieved (and discounting the women who did achieve orgasm). I disagree with both these points.
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You disagree yet again,,, and?


Atomic Playboy said:
5. "When a woman has an organism she increases her chances of getting pregnant. Why would a woman want to get pregnant by a man she "knows" is not going to be there tomorrow?" I'm assuming you meant "orgasm" and not "organism" (I already mocked you for this), so let's move on to the argument you seem to be making: A woman who has casual sex will intentionally try to avoid orgasm as a method to reduce her chance of getting pregnant. You've already claimed several times that the only way to enjoy casual sex is to achieve orgasm, so claiming that anyone would have casual sex but intentionally try to avoid orgasm seems to fly in the face of your own logic. But even accepting that, if these women were so concerned about getting pregnant, why bother subjecting themselves to a sexual experience they won't enjoy when their odds of pregnancy drop off to zero by refraining? I have no idea what you're arguing here, but any way I dissect this argument, it seems entirely illogical and I disagree with your assertion.
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I really wish you would learn about paragraph breaks.

Besides the great wall of text you posted, we seem to be getting somewhere.

Who is responsible for an unintended pregnancy? It is usually the woman.

The fear of getting pregnant, and getting pregnant out of a relationship may hinder a womans ability to climax.

The man on the otherhand, we are programed to spread our seed. The woman gets knocked up, so what, she can get that fetus sucked out.

While the liberal left is standing over there telling the woman she has a much right to have causal sesx as a man, she is calling planned parenthood to get that unwanted parasite removed.
 
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Texashiker said:
Nobody cares about your opinion.
But here goes.
Ok, and?
You disagree, so what?
Study has nothing to do with wifebeating.
Ok, I get the point, you disagree.
So what, yet again.
You disagree yet again,,, and?
I really wish you would learn about paragraph breaks.
Besides the great wall of text you posted, we seem to be getting somewhere.
Who is responsible for an unintended pregnancy? It is usually the woman.
The fear of getting pregnant, and getting pregnant out of a relationship may hinder a womans ability to climax.
The man on the otherhand, we are programed to spread our seed. The woman gets knocked up, so what, she can get that fetus sucked out.
While the liberal left is standing over there telling the woman she has a much right to have causal sesx as a man, she is calling planned parenthood to get that unwanted parasite removed.
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So Atomic Playboy, this is why it's pointless to try to teach someone like Texashiker. You made a number of good points that were intelligently written and thoughtful. He pretty much ignored it and did his best attempt at imitating the misogynist bullshit often spouted by nehalem. Dare I say he's ahead of nehalem in this thread on that subject. This is why I stopped trying to discuss with the biggest idiots in P&N. You get just as far telling them they're a fucking moron and moving on. And it's more fulfilling.
 
Texashiker said:
Could you be a little more specific as to what you disagree with?
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Texashiker said:
Ok, and?

You disagree, so what?

Ok, I get the point, you disagree.

So what, yet again.

You disagree yet again,,, and?
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I realize that I used your response to someone else as a jumping off point, but you specifically asked for what they disagreed with. I post a list of points I disagree with and your response to them is just "you disagree, so what?" You're the one who asked for specific points of disagreement. I'm fine with you not responding or agreeing to disagree or whatever, but don't ask for specific areas where we disagree and then ask why I'm pointing out all these areas where we disagree as though you didn't ask for it in the first place.

Texashiker said:
Who is responsible for an unintended pregnancy? It is usually the woman.

The fear of getting pregnant, and getting pregnant out of a relationship may hinder a womans ability to climax.

The man on the otherhand, we are programed to spread our seed. The woman gets knocked up, so what, she can get that fetus sucked out.

While the liberal left is standing over there telling the woman she has a much right to have causal sesx as a man, she is calling planned parenthood to get that unwanted parasite removed.
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I could not possibly disagree with this any more without rendering myself into a quivering puddle of rage-fueled jelly. Let's go point by point again:

1. "Who is responsible for an unintended pregnancy?" Assuming we're talking about consensual sex and not rape, the man and woman are equally responsible. It takes one sperm and one egg; both people play a role. In cases of rape, it seems wrong to assign blame to the victim, so we'll say the rapist is 100% responsible (and rape resulting in pregnancy is predominantly committed by men).

2. "Men are programmed to spread our seed." We'll skip the semantics about "programming" and just agree that the biological urge to reproduce is one of the strongest in nature, and men are not immune. However, this same biological urge also exists in women. In fact, from a cultural perspective, the stereotype has always been that men never want sex to result in pregnancy whereas women can go completely baby crazy. The notion that men are biologically predisposed to need sex with as many partners as possible and women should therefore act as gatekeepers has no basis in science, nor indeed in law when it comes to defining who is "more responsible" for a pregnancy between two consenting adults.

3. "While the liberal left is standing over there telling the woman she has a much right to have causal sesx as a man..." If women don't have as much right to casual sex as men (and, legally speaking, they do), who are all these men having casual sex with? We're genetically predisposed to need to spread our seed, right? But if women can't have all the casual sex we men need, what's the recourse? Are all these men just banging each other for lack of options?

We can agree to disagree; I'm fine with that. I find your views on women morally reprehensible, and you're never going to convince me of any thesis that forms around the idea that men are more entitled to have casual sex than women and less responsible for any offspring that result. I probably have no hope of convincing you of the alternative. I can only hope that you aren't voting in a method that would take away women's rights based on your misguided views.
 
Atomic Playboy said:
1. "Who is responsible for an unintended pregnancy?" Assuming we're talking about consensual sex and not rape, the man and woman are equally responsible. It takes one sperm and one egg; both people play a role. In cases of rape, it seems wrong to assign blame to the victim, so we'll say the rapist is 100% responsible (and rape resulting in pregnancy is predominantly committed by men).
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Unless the woman takes the man to court for child support, she is left with the full burden of raising the child.

Its not like the woman can force the man to be a parent.


Atomic Playboy said:
2. "Men are programmed to spread our seed." We'll skip the semantics about "programming" and just agree that the biological urge to reproduce is one of the strongest in nature, and men are not immune. However, this same biological urge also exists in women. In fact, from a cultural perspective, the stereotype has always been that men never want sex to result in pregnancy whereas women can go completely baby crazy. The notion that men are biologically predisposed to need sex with as many partners as possible and women should therefore act as gatekeepers has no basis in science, nor indeed in law when it comes to defining who is "more responsible" for a pregnancy between two consenting adults.
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I heard somewhere at an average 17 year old man produces enough sperm in a single load to impregnate every woman on the face of the earth.

With the amount of sperm a man produces, we were designed to produce more offspring then women.

While a woman has a 9 month gestation period, a man can be knocking up a woman every 9 hours.


Atomic Playboy said:
3. "While the liberal left is standing over there telling the woman she has a much right to have causal sesx as a man..." If women don't have as much right to casual sex as men (and, legally speaking, they do), who are all these men having casual sex with? We're genetically predisposed to need to spread our seed, right? But if women can't have all the casual sex we men need, what's the recourse? Are all these men just banging each other for lack of options?
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Who bears the responsibility, the woman who get knocked up from casual sex, or the person telling her she can have all the sex she wants?

It is called taking responsibility for your actions. If a feminist groups convinces a woman she can have casual sex, is that feminist group going to help raise the children that may result from that sex?


Atomic Playboy said:
We can agree to disagree; I'm fine with that. I find your views on women morally reprehensible, and you're never going to convince me of any thesis that forms around the idea that men are more entitled to have casual sex than women and less responsible for any offspring that result. I probably have no hope of convincing you of the alternative. I can only hope that you aren't voting in a method that would take away women's rights based on your misguided views.
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This is not about entitlement.

This is about responsibility, and how evolution has made us.

The report in the opening post women are less to reach orgasm from causal sex than men. If the truth offends you, get over it.
 
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No shit. For women to orgasm there needs to be a significant emotional component, which is hard or impossible to come by in a shallow one-nighter. Men are much more straightforward.
 
Atomic Playboy said:
3. "While the liberal left is standing over there telling the woman she has a much right to have causal sesx as a man..." If women don't have as much right to casual sex as men (and, legally speaking, they do), who are all these men having casual sex with? We're genetically predisposed to need to spread our seed, right? But if women can't have all the casual sex we men need, what's the recourse? Are all these men just banging each other for lack of options?
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Only in most of the Arab world. 😛
 
Texashiker said:
The report in the opening post women are less to reach organism from causal sex than men. If the truth offends you, get over it.
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Spell after me

O R G A S M - orgasm what men and women have sometimes when they have sex.

With that out of the way, the crazy in this thread is your attempt to make this study some kind of grand political statement and attack "liberals" with it.
 
Texashiker said:
Unless the woman takes the man to court for child support, she is left with the full burden of raising the child.

Its not like the woman can force the man to be a parent.

I heard somewhere at an average 17 year old man produces enough sperm in a single load to impregnate every woman on the face of the earth.

With the amount of sperm a man produces, we were designed to produce more offspring then women.

While a woman has a 9 month gestation period, a man can be knocking up a woman every 9 hours.

Who bears the responsibility, the woman who get knocked up from casual sex, or the person telling her she can have all the sex she wants?

It is called taking responsibility for your actions. If a feminist groups convinces a woman she can have casual sex, is that feminist group going to help raise the children that may result from that sex?

This is not about entitlement.

This is about responsibility, and how evolution has made us.

The report in the opening post women are less to reach organism from causal sex than men. If the truth offends you, get over it.
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Two points. First, the woman who has sex has the responsibility, period. People tell us all sorts of fool things, but in the end we are each responsible for our own behavior.

And second, the only activity where women are more likely to reach organism than men is sneezing*, so I'm not sure we can attach any great societal inferences here. Yes, feminists and liberals in general have done a disservice to women by selling the idea of sex without consequences. Feminists and liberals in general have also done a lot to empower women. Nobody hits a home run every time.

*There once was a second category, lesbian sex, but I'm pretty sure that with the invention of pornography the advantage there tipped to men.
 
Texashiker said:
Even though the liberal left has told women they should be sexually liberated, their bodies tell a different story.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/...ve-orgasm-during-casual-sex/?intcmp=obnetwork



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As the liberal left spread their lies and filth, the truth continues to come out.

The truth is, women have the best sex while in a committed relationship.
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look, I know you've only slept with one woman, but this is how it works:

it probably took your wife several times with you before she actually had an orgasm. People have to figure out each other when they get into the sex. Orgasm are very different for women--and feminist/liberal literature is so so so very far from whatever fantasy you have conjured in your little pea noggin.

Nothing about "liberating women sexually" has ever been about "you will get orgasms all the time!" A lot of that is explaining to women, particularly in the 40s and 50s--that orgasms actually exist, and how to achieve one.
 
werepossum said:
Two points. First, the woman who has sex has the responsibility, period. People tell us all sorts of fool things, but in the end we are each responsible for our own behavior.
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You mean liberals are not going to help raise the children that might come about from casual sex?

Then why tell people such behavior is ok?
 
irishScott said:
No shit. For women to orgasm there needs to be a significant emotional component, which is hard or impossible to come by in a shallow one-nighter. Men are much more straightforward.
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very true

Texashiker said:
Atomic playboy will probably have a meltdown when he reads that.
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...I don't know why you think Irish Scott's comment somehow supports the ridiculous inference in your OP? that point squarely rejects your attempt to massage the data you are presenting towards some anti-liberal fantasy.
 
Texashiker said:
Atomic playboy will probably have a meltdown when he reads that.
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I doubt it. I'm not assigning a motive, just stating a well-proven psychological fact. I'm sure there plenty of women for whom that emotional component is fulfilled by the risk/new experience of a casual encounter. But there are substantially more women than men who require an emotional connection to their partner to get off. Likewise women, like men, can enjoy sex without getting off as well.

Any guy who's ever had sex with a woman knows all of this. This study just scientifically corroborated it.
 
Texashiker said:
The report in the opening post women are less to reach orgasm from causal sex than men. If the truth offends you, get over it.
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No, that part I'm comfortable with. If I had to venture a guess, I'd say that women are also less likely to reach orgasm during sex that happens within long-term relationships, as men will reach orgasm roughly 100% of the time and women won't necessarily (generally a man's orgasm also ends the sex whereas women can achieve multiple orgasms, so that might up the averages). Where I'm confused is this tenuous link that you're trying to make that this somehow infers a leftist liberal plot to make women think that they're entitled to enjoy sex in the same way as men and get taxpayer funded abortions. Those are the dots you seem to be connecting and not one single point ties back to the study you're citing in any way. At all. Period. Your argument since the beginning hasn't had a single thing to do with this study. You might as well cite a study on bird migration habits for all the good it will do you trying to link casual sex orgasm rates to abortion.
 
surfsatwerk said:
The internet: where men have opinions about women.
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And the opinions are based on no woman in the history of man has enjoyed sex unless in a committed relationship with the member having those opinions.

The article seems based on guys wanting to believe their SO's never enjoyed sex prior to them.

I hate to break it to most, if the sex sucked she wouldn't be having it.

That said, even bad sex is usually still good.
 
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