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Study: Bush tax cuts making rich richer

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"NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - President Bush's tax cuts for investment income have significantly lowered the tax burden on the richest Americans, reducing taxes on incomes of more than $10 million by an average of about $500,000, according to a report Wednesday.

An analysis of Internal Revenue Service data by The New York Times found that the benefit of the lower taxes on investments was more concentrated on the very wealthiest Americans than the benefits of President Bush's two previous tax cuts.

The Times analyzed IRS figures for 2003, the latest year available and the first that reflected the tax cuts for income from dividends and from the sale of stock and other assets, known as capital gains.

According to the study, taxpayers with incomes greater than $10 million reduced their investment tax bill by an average of about $500,000 in 2003, and their total tax savings, which included the two Bush tax cuts on compensation, nearly doubled, to slightly more than $1 million.

These taxpayers, whose average income was $26 million, paid about the same share of their income in income taxes as those making $200,000 to $500,000 because of the lowered rates on investment income.

Americans with annual incomes of $1 million or more reaped 43 percent of all the savings on investment taxes in 2003. The savings for these taxpayers averaged about $41,400 each.

The newspaper's tax cut analysis showed that more than 70 percent of the tax savings on investment income went to the top 2 percent, about 2.6 million taxpayers.

And the savings from the investment tax cuts are expected to be larger in subsequent years because of gains in the stock market.

Congress is now debating whether to make the Bush tax cuts permanent.

Stephen Entin, president of the Institute for Research on the Economics of Taxation, a Washington organization, told the Times that the tax cuts did not go far enough because the more money the wealthiest had to invest, the more that would go to investments that produce jobs.

Opponents told the newspaper the cuts are too generous to those who already have plenty. Rep. Charles Rangel of New York, the senior Democrat on the House Ways and Means Committee, said after seeing the new figures that "these tax cuts are beyond irresponsible" when "we're in a war; we haven't fixed Social Security or Medicare; we've got record deficits."

now thats what i call working for the people 😕
 
Stephen Entin, president of the Institute for Research on the Economics of Taxation, a Washington organization, told the Times that the tax cuts did not go far enough because the more money the wealthiest had to invest, the more that would go to investments that produce jobs.
Trickle down, great. :disgust: "if the horse has better hay to eat, the birds will eat better" (it being understood that birds eat manure) Enjoying that shat sandwich everyone?
 
Here we go again with the dumb argument of the rich paying 90% of the taxes in the U.S bla bla bla bla bla

 
These taxpayers, whose average income was $26 million, paid about the same share of their income in income taxes as those making $200,000 to $500,000 because of the lowered rates on investment income.
Why should the rich and wealthy have to shoulder a heavier tax burden then everyone else...the equitable solution is for everyone to pay a flat percentage of their income.

Opponents told the newspaper the cuts are too generous to those who already have plenty. Rep. Charles Rangel of New York, the senior Democrat on the House Ways and Means Committee, said after seeing the new figures that "these tax cuts are beyond irresponsible" when "we're in a war; we haven't fixed Social Security or Medicare; we've got record deficits."
Perhaps the best way to reduce record deficits is to CUT GOVERNMENT SPENDING...and that applies to both Democrats and Republicans...there is no party of fiscal responsibility anymore.

You want to fix Social Security and Medicare...raise taxes for EVERYONE and cut out corporate interests and special interests from the equation. I would have no problem giving 35-40% of my income to Uncle Sam if I had the assurance of financial stability in retirement and medical coverage.

Because I dont have that certainty, I would rather keep the money, and invest it wisely to provide for my own future.


 
Originally posted by: GTKeeper
Here we go again with the dumb argument of the rich paying 90% of the taxes in the U.S bla bla bla bla bla

Why is this a dumb argument when it is the truth?
Nobody can explain to me why somebody who doesnt pay any taxes would recieve a rebate check?
 
People need to be less greedy. I make a very good amount of money and I have no problem paying higher taxes. Instead of being "me me me" and shortsighted, people need to take a long-term view of taxes and the social benefit.

Shortchanging people now equates to cutting your nose off to spite your face.
 
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
People need to be less greedy. I make a very good amount of money and I have no problem paying higher taxes.

Then do so - it has never been against the law to pay more than you owe to the government.

Instead of being "me me me" and shortsighted, people need to take a long-term view of taxes and the social benefit.

What about the 'social benefit' of reducing the burden of overbearing government? You're assuming both that government is a provider of social benefit (to a certain extent true, but at what level of taxation is certainly debatable), and that social benefit can't be provided by society at large in ways other than taxes.
 
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
People need to be less greedy. I make a very good amount of money and I have no problem paying higher taxes. Instead of being "me me me" and shortsighted, people need to take a long-term view of taxes and the social benefit.

Shortchanging people now equates to cutting your nose off to spite your face.

The only thing agreeing to higher taxes does is increase the size of the federal govt and increase waste.

For 40 years we have been waging a war on poverty and the % of people in poverty hasnt moved.

And if you feel you need to pay more taxes, nothing is stopping you from doing so.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: GTKeeper
Here we go again with the dumb argument of the rich paying 90% of the taxes in the U.S bla bla bla bla bla

Why is this a dumb argument when it is the truth?
Nobody can explain to me why somebody who doesnt pay any taxes would recieve a rebate check?

Especially since they'd just squander the money on drugs, bonbons, and purple Cadillacs

:roll:
 
Originally posted by: catnap1972
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: GTKeeper
Here we go again with the dumb argument of the rich paying 90% of the taxes in the U.S bla bla bla bla bla

Why is this a dumb argument when it is the truth?
Nobody can explain to me why somebody who doesnt pay any taxes would recieve a rebate check?

Especially since they'd just squander the money on drugs, bonbons, and purple Cadillacs

:roll:


What does that have to do with anything?
 
I think you miss the point GenX - all this administration has done is deny the very fact that this study proves - that the tax cuts have not been 'across the board', they have been focused on the highest income bracket - as Bush calls them, 'my base'.

If the tax cuts were equally targeted at all income brackets, then fine...but they were 'sold' that way and they clearly haven't worked out that way - of course we knew that going in, but their usual spin game worked as planned
 
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
What's wrong with the rich getting richer? Most of them work hard for it.

Bahahaaaaaaaahahaha.

"That's exactly where the tax cuts went. Most of the tax cuts went to low and middle-income Americans."
--President Bush on 10/13/04

He is a liar, again and again.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
People need to be less greedy. I make a very good amount of money and I have no problem paying higher taxes. Instead of being "me me me" and shortsighted, people need to take a long-term view of taxes and the social benefit.

Shortchanging people now equates to cutting your nose off to spite your face.

The only thing agreeing to higher taxes does is increase the size of the federal govt and increase waste.

For 40 years we have been waging a war on poverty and the % of people in poverty hasnt moved.

And if you feel you need to pay more taxes, nothing is stopping you from doing so.

Sorry genx, its much easier for the liberals to cry about the problem, do nothing, and point fingers at the President.
 
Originally posted by: NeoV
I think you miss the point GenX - all this administration has done is deny the very fact that this study proves - that the tax cuts have not been 'across the board', they have been focused on the highest income bracket - as Bush calls them, 'my base'.

If the tax cuts were equally targeted at all income brackets, then fine...but they were 'sold' that way and they clearly haven't worked out that way - of course we knew that going in, but their usual spin game worked as planned

I dont miss that point at all, I just never believed it. You cant see a benefit from a tax cut when you essentially pay zero federal income taxes.
 
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
You want to fix Social Security and Medicare...raise taxes for EVERYONE and cut out corporate interests and special interests from the equation. I would have no problem giving 35-40% of my income to Uncle Sam if I had the assurance of financial stability in retirement and medical coverage.

Because I dont have that certainty, I would rather keep the money, and invest it wisely to provide for my own future.

It's a vicious circle. It politicians who think like you that are undermining the safety net, SS & Medicare. Then it runs short and the very concept is blamed for the ills.

First of all we need to remove the cap on SS so the rich pay their fair share. Thats another area where the middle class people pay the highest percentages. Secondly the money should not be used to fund other programs be it pork barrel projects, war or otherwise.

 
Remember in 1913 when the middle class passed the 16th amendment so they could steal money from rich people?

Sure worked out well for them!
 
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
What's wrong with the rich getting richer? Most of them work hard for it.
Most of the not-rich work just as hard or harder, yet are not getting richer on the average, and certainly not to the extent that the very wealthy are reaping the benefits of Bush's tax loans. The gap between average Americans and the very wealthy continues to grow. That is ultimately not healthy for the stability of society.
 
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
What's wrong with the rich getting richer? Most of them work hard for it.
Most of the not-rich work just as hard or harder, yet are not getting richer on the average, and certainly not to the extent that the very wealthy are reaping the benefits of Bush's tax loans. The gap between average Americans and the very wealthy continues to grow. That is ultimately not healthy for the stability of society.

I just dont buy it. You may find a slacker who made millions without working but most self made millionaires worked above and beyond what you will find for "most" of the "middle" class. Most business owners or executives dont consider a 40 hour work week but instead an 80 hour+ work week as their job becomes life. I dont see "most" middle class people working 80 hours a week. If they are then they need to apply themselves elsewhere because obviously it isnt working out for them.

I agree the split isnt good for society but I dont see how penalizing somebody for their hard work will solve the problem.
 
The myth of the self-made millionaire

The myth of the self-made man is that he has "made it" alone.

Warren Buffett, founder of Berkshire Hathaway and the second-richest man in the world, says: "I personally think that society is responsible for a very significant percentage of what I've earned."

And Eric Schmidt, CEO of Google, says, "Lots of people who are smart and work hard and play by the rules don't have a fraction of what I have. I realize I don't have my wealth because I'm so brilliant."

What shines through the report is that those profiled and interviewed have an awareness of what made them successful, and they want to pass that along to future generations in the form of public support. Some of us call that government -- more or less.
 
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
The myth of the self-made millionaire

The myth of the self-made man is that he has "made it" alone.

Warren Buffett, founder of Berkshire Hathaway and the second-richest man in the world, says: "I personally think that society is responsible for a very significant percentage of what I've earned."

And Eric Schmidt, CEO of Google, says, "Lots of people who are smart and work hard and play by the rules don't have a fraction of what I have. I realize I don't have my wealth because I'm so brilliant."

What shines through the report is that those profiled and interviewed have an awareness of what made them successful, and they want to pass that along to future generations in the form of public support. Some of us call that government -- more or less.

Please, Warren Buffet?

I know several self made millionairws who worked their ass off. They didnt do it working 40 hour weeks with 4 weeks of vacation + holidays.

Edit: btw I am not discounting his opinion but reading his biography it is clear he is brilliant and worked his ass off earlier in life.


 
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