Students Storm Daily Cal; Newspaper Locks Down

[Moonbeam]

You're the last one that should be giving English lessons or making comments about anyone else's. As to your comment: You're probably right of course however you rarely see (or hear) anything more than the extremes of an issue. I stand by my statement. (no I'm not the last one who should be giving English lessons, I'm not the one using dicotomy improperly, and if you see only extremes it's your blindness, not reality that's at root cause.)

I also notice you attempt to deflect the issue by musing whether the paper was free and pointing elsewhere for justification. (Were you diflected? I added an extra dimension to the discussion. I found it rather curious that you can steal what is free. If you're not intrigued, fine.)

It's hardly the issue at hand is it? (When theft becomes the charge as etech implied, it is an issue.)
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[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
You're the last one that should be giving English lessons or making comments about anyone else's. As to your comment: You're probably right of course however you rarely see (or hear) anything more than the extremes of an issue. I stand by my statement. (no I'm not the last one who should be giving English lessons, I'm not the one using dicotomy improperly, and if you see only extremes it's your blindness, not reality that's at root cause.)

I also notice you attempt to deflect the issue by musing whether the paper was free and pointing elsewhere for justification. (Were you diflected? I added an extra dimension to the discussion. I found it rather curious that you can steal what is free. If you're not intrigued, fine.)

It's hardly the issue at hand is it? (When theft becomes the charge as etech implied, it is an issue.)
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I used no words improperly, nor am I blind. The blind person here is the one who see's the issue as "stealing what is free" not the bigger issue which is that instead of being able to properly defend their position a few students decided to just stifle a position that they don't agree with.

 

[Corn]

What side is that, the Reactionary Right?

I've been posting here for over 3 years Red, you know the answer.

Just curious to know how it's illegal to take something that's free....

Did the thieves dump the papers in a dumpster they paid for?

Yeah, just like when right wing rednecks gave the Dixie Chicks death threats.....

Did you see a single "right wing redneck" here praise or defend any death threats? Didn't think so, try again fool.

It's a free paper, how do you steal something which is free?

Did the box say "free take one" or "free take all and not give anyone else the chance to read it because you are a free speech hating liberal fascist"?

PaCKWOOD, Conduit, Thomas

Please, every single one of those guys got what they deserved, especially Thomas. 😉 Heh.

 

[friedpie]

Restore some of that "innocent until proven guilty" rehtoric we spew when in fact the press shows people mearly accused of a crime and it taints the case from the get go.

Innocent until proven guilty applies to jurors only, not the press, not the public, no one else. Only a juror can decide the fate of some accused of a crime so the law can only apply to them.

 

[Fencer128]

Innocent until proven guilty applies to jurors only, not the press, not the public, no one else. Only a juror can decide the fate of some accused of a crime so the law can only apply to them.

In itself, this is very true and a good demonstration of how a "free" society can still peddle bias that may damage the innocent. The question always is - is sacroficing certain freedoms worth it in order to save the afroementioned innocents?

Cheers,

Andy

 

[friedpie]

If he was charged with the crime, I would have no problem with them putting his picture everywhere, he would deserve it. But the fact that he wasn't, as you said, makes it wrong.

Oh lordy, what's the difference between being charged with a crime and being arrested for a crime? Not much.

What's the difference between printing his name and printing his picture. People are still going to know it was him no matter what.

As for the picture, I fail to see what was racist about that.

That's cool. Glad to hear that.

It's a good strategy to keep from getting charged with a crime. Scream racism and hope it makes people nervous, nervous enough to drop charges. It has been proven to be quite an effective tactic by people unwilling to face up to the consequences of their actions.

 

[Fencer128]

Anyone got a link to the offending picture?

Cheers,

Andy

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: friedpie

Restore some of that "innocent until proven guilty" rehtoric we spew when in fact the press shows people mearly accused of a crime and it taints the case from the get go.

Innocent until proven guilty applies to jurors only, not the press, not the public, no one else. Only a juror can decide the fate of some accused of a crime so the law can only apply to them.

They have shown if you accuse someone long enough in the media it can have a detrimental effect on the outcome of a jury trail. Sure it would be nice to leave all the information heard outside the court out of the jury box but in real life it doesnt work that way. The judge asks if you have heard about the case though the media in jury examination, and sequesters the jury in high profile cases bacuase they know it will have an effect no matter how honest the jurors try to be.

If we stopped publishing the accused information all together we could be assured the juror has'nt been tainted or is'nt lying because he really has'nt heard about it. And is totally unable to form an opinion already because he/she truly knows nothing going in. Seems to me , if we are tring for true justice, we should eliminate all potential sources of partialness. This is one thing we could do pretty easily. It serves no purpose to broadcast Petersons picture all over other than put a face to a murder which is damming.

Another thing we could do for impartiality is spend equal resources for the accused as as the state does in criminal matters. But this will never happen. Public defenders get less than half the salary and twice the case load to defend the poor accused as the DA office does to prosecute them.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

It is curious how campus dailies like to reflect the best and worst of their more elderly brethren. The public record of the charge and the accused SHOULD be published. The photo does not inform . . . even if that was the intent. The photo typically reflects the bias of the staff . . . if they cheer Fall games then you would have seen a team photo or highlight; if they secretly (or openly) despise the privileges which are afforded scholarship athletes at Div I programs then you often get a less flattering portrait.

Regardless, why do campus lefties (oops, my bad . . . progressives) have such a strong tendency to remove campus newspapers when they disagree with an article? If they are really liberals or progressives

there should be at least ONE decent writer capable of expressing the group's sentiments in a responsible and productive manner.

 

[Nitemare]

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