Students attend school's FIRST racially integrated prom

[OrByte]

Whatever the case is...it is obvious that there are a couple of things going on here:

1. There are still segregated traditions.

2. There are some kids that want to breakaway from that. AND they are getting their way!

I say...sounds like they are moving in the right direction. Maybe it won't be long before there are no such thing as segregated Proms anymore.

shrug.

 

[dahunan]

Georgia has always been a bastion of freedom for African Americans..

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Topic Title: Students attend school's FIRST racially integrated prom

Sounds like progress, quick let?s piss on them for not doing it sooner!

Your statement demonstrates that you didn't bother reading the article. The white parents still went through with their white prom a week earlier.

The "white prom" still went on last week.

"We did everything like a regular prom just because we had already booked it," said, Cheryl Nichols, 18, who attended the dance.

Nichole Royal, 18, said black students could have gone to the prom, but didn't.

"I guess they feel like they're not welcome," she said.

I corrected the Bold for you to emphasize the most important point.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Topic Title: Students attend school's FIRST racially integrated prom

Sounds like progress, quick let?s piss on them for not doing it sooner!

Your statement demonstrates that you didn't bother reading the article. The white parents still went through with their white prom a week earlier.

The "white prom" still went on last week.

"We did everything like a regular prom just because we had already booked it," said, Cheryl Nichols, 18, who attended the dance.

Nichole Royal, 18, said black students could have gone to the prom, but didn't.

"I guess they feel like they're not welcome," she said.

I corrected the Bold for you to emphasize the most important point.

Whats your point? They weren't prohibited from going.

Edit - I'm not saying that I agree with what the students did, but its certainly their right, especially if no one was prohibited from going.

 

[HomerJS]

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Oh, and Mindy? You're a racist and you don't even know it.

Mindy Bryan, attended a segregated prom in 2001.

"There was not anybody that I can remember that was black," she said. "The white people have theirs, and the black people have theirs. It's nothing racial at all."

How so?

Separating people by color as though it is no big deal

Are Asians to be called Yellow People

At least she didn't say White People and Coloreds like they used to say there

Yeah, that seems pretty basic to me. Racism isn't just assholes in white sheets, it can be a lot more basic than that...like embracing the idea that white people and black people are just fundamentally different and it's normal that they don't "go together".

Most students are black. They had separate proms. Why are the white students being singles out as the racists?

I may not be the brightest bulb but the slightest educated guess would be segregated proms were initiated when whites were in the majority.

 

[spittledip]

My point is that the fact that it is a White Prom means that it is for whites. Of course they are going to feel uncomfortable. They should have killed the white prom if they really meant business.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: spittledip
My point is that the fact that it is a White Prom means that it is for whites. Of course they are going to feel uncomfortable. They should have killed the white prom if they really meant business.

Yea, they probably should have, but if they want to have a white prom then let them. If blacks can have organizations and events exclusive to their race then why can't whites?

 

[spittledip]

They can, but this integrated prom business would have seemed like a more honest effort had they nixed the white prom.

 

[Wreckem]

Uh anyone that visits any southern gulf coast state, would realize their is still voluntary segregation. Its not racist because both races want it.

Go to any small town in Ark, Mississippi, Alabama, and Georigia and you will see an equal number of racists from each race.

The problem isnt the children, its the adults...

 

[Zedtom]

Proms are nice, but regular school-sponsored dance events don't exist around here. They were done away with because of racial tensions and gang activity.

Some of my fondest memories of high school were Friday night dances.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Oh, and Mindy? You're a racist and you don't even know it.

Pot, meet kettle:

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Topic Summary: Yup, it's Georgia... *sigh*

Or is it ok to hate people because they're from an area of the country? Is regionalism any better than racism? We hate in others what wehate in ourselves.

 

[Deudalus]

Originally posted by: spittledip
My point is that the fact that it is a White Prom means that it is for whites. Of course they are going to feel uncomfortable. They should have killed the white prom if they really meant business.

Ok, point taken but you are completely missing the overall point which is that all races segregate themselves.

At college which is supposed to be one of the most tolerant places in the country you still have:

1) Black and white segregated dances
2) Black and white segregated proms
3) Male and female segregated events

Everyone segregates themselves. If you think some idealist utopia of banning X event because its segregationist is realistic then please go out and try it.

Also while I'm on this point please stop bashing the south because some of the last schools to refuse to desegregate classrooms were in the northeast, specifically Boston. Furthermore the south is in alot of ways more integrated today than the north is.

Take a look at housing for example..

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Oh, and Mindy? You're a racist and you don't even know it.

Pot, meet kettle:

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Topic Summary: Yup, it's Georgia... *sigh*

Or is it ok to hate people because they're from an area of the country? Is regionalism any better than racism? We hate in others what wehate in ourselves.

*cough* *cough*

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Deudalus

Originally posted by: Rainsford


Yeah, that seems pretty basic to me. Racism isn't just assholes in white sheets, it can be a lot more basic than that...like embracing the idea that white people and black people are just fundamentally different and it's normal that they don't "go together".

Umm, actually its pretty much true.

Hear me out before you go on your tirade please...

Dealmonkey is obviously very vocal when it comes to racism and what he believes is or isnt racist. But then again he lives in Orange County, California one of the richest areas in the country and also one of the smallest African American communities in the country at 1.6%.


Try living in New Orleans for awhile like I did before Katrina and like I will again in about 2 more weeks. Try coaching a basketball team at a large school like I do now in Arkansas until I move back home. You will quickly go from being the majority white to the minority. Most of the schools in our conference are overwhelmingly black as are their teams, just like ours.

If you look around you will see segregation everywhere and it isn't because we mean old white people are oppressing everyone. You will see it because people naturally segregate themselves. Go into any school cafeteria while there are lots of kids there. You have atheletes of various sports and then you have the various cliques many of which are very much determined by race.

Hell if you have the guts to ask a stranger or have a friend that you are close enough to ask and get a serious non-PC answer then ask them if blacks and whites are the same.

We aren't and it isnt a bad thing. Sure we have the same fundamental desires in life, but that doesn't mean we will dress, walk, talk, act, or think the same.

As far as a segregated prom goes, I don't see a problem with it at all to be honest. I think that either race should be allowed to go to the other prom if they wanted to contribute their time or money to making it happen, but I don't believe that they should be forcefully desegregated either.

Senior prom is a once in a lifetime thing and if the whites or blacks wanted to get together and spend their money to decorate the hall in a certain way, have certain types of food or drinks, or have a certain type of musical theme I don't see the problem with that.


At some people you guys have to realize that different is not a synonym for evil. People can be different and that can be ok.

We don't all have to pretend to be the same or have the same interests.

First of all, stop reading things into what I said...I have just as big of a problem with black people doing what I was talking about as I do if white people do it.

Secondly, I'm in no way opposed to people being different and having different social groups and interests. I think the best thing about our society is that we're not all marching to the same tune. Hell, of course black people and white people aren't the same, pick any random bunch of dudes and I doubt you'll find two that are alike in more the most superficial ways.

My objection to this segregated dance idea isn't that it embraces diversity, it's that the message is that diversity begins and ends with skin color. We're not talking about people being different and embracing those differences, we're talking about shoving people into some category based on nothing more than the color of their skin. It's the implicit assumption that a black kid from an upper middle-class suburb has more in common with a black gangbanger from the innercity than with his white classmates at his prep school. Tell me that's not just a little bit racist.

Respecting and appreciating individual differences requires us to treat each person as an individual. Clearly there are unique cultural elements in our society more common among black people, but it doesn't seem like we're respecting differences if we assume that culture applies equally to every black person and the white folks aren't invited. It's not like the school held a dance fashioned around black culture and one drawn from white culture, and you could go to whichever one you wanted to, they just assumed that the place for black people was with other black people, and whites were best left with other white folks.

I'm not sure forceful desegregation is the answer either, but I just don't think that kind of thing just happens on its own. Schools are filled with all sorts of types of people, who differ on any number of things. But when senior prom rolls around, you have the theater nerd couples dancing next to the jocks and the cheerleaders and the Goths next to the preppies, the ONLY split that the school or the students feel is necessary is the black/white one.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Oh, and Mindy? You're a racist and you don't even know it.

Pot, meet kettle:

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Topic Summary: Yup, it's Georgia... *sigh*

Or is it ok to hate people because they're from an area of the country? Is regionalism any better than racism? We hate in others what wehate in ourselves.

Wow, what a lame attempt by CW! Here's one for your efforts:

Where do you get that I "hate people" in Georgia? In fact, if you had your brain screwed on straight, you'd realize I was DISAPPOINTED with them, because it's 2007 and these folks are still having white proms and segregated events and acting like it's no big thing. And believe it or not buddy, these sort of stories are constantly coming out of Georgia. It's not my fault, it's theirs.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Wow, what a lame attempt by CW! Here's one for your efforts:

Where do you get that I "hate people" in Georgia? In fact, if you had your brain screwed on straight, you'd realize I was DISAPPOINTED with them, because it's 2007 and these folks are still having white proms and segregated events and acting like it's no big thing. And believe it or not buddy, these sort of stories are constantly coming out of Georgia. It's not my fault, it's theirs.

You think you're better than the people of Georgia, just like the whites there used to think they were better than the blacks. The difference is that the whites in Georgia realized that they are no better, while you still think you're somehow superior.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Wow, what a lame attempt by CW! Here's one for your efforts:

Where do you get that I "hate people" in Georgia? In fact, if you had your brain screwed on straight, you'd realize I was DISAPPOINTED with them, because it's 2007 and these folks are still having white proms and segregated events and acting like it's no big thing. And believe it or not buddy, these sort of stories are constantly coming out of Georgia. It's not my fault, it's theirs.

You think you're better than the people of Georgia, just like the whites there used to think they were better than the blacks. The difference is that the whites in Georgia realized that they are no better, while you still think you're somehow superior.

Here have another couple:

Again, and I know you can't seem to grasp this concept, but you can't call someone bigoted for pointing out other people's bigoted behavior. It doesn't work that way.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Here have another couple:

Again, and I know you can't seem to grasp this concept, but you can't call someone bigoted for pointing out other people's bigoted behavior. It doesn't work that way.

You are a bigot because you think the entirety of the population of Georgia are bigots. The willful ignorance demonstrated in your hasty generalization is the proof in the pudding.

 

[imported_Equinox]

Umm, actually its pretty much true.

Hear me out before you go on your tirade please...

Dealmonkey is obviously very vocal when it comes to racism and what he believes is or isnt racist. But then again he lives in Orange County, California one of the richest areas in the country and also one of the smallest African American communities in the country at 1.6%.


Try living in New Orleans for awhile like I did before Katrina and like I will again in about 2 more weeks. Try coaching a basketball team at a large school like I do now in Arkansas until I move back home. You will quickly go from being the majority white to the minority. Most of the schools in our conference are overwhelmingly black as are their teams, just like ours.

If you look around you will see segregation everywhere and it isn't because we mean old white people are oppressing everyone. You will see it because people naturally segregate themselves. Go into any school cafeteria while there are lots of kids there. You have atheletes of various sports and then you have the various cliques many of which are very much determined by race.

Hell if you have the guts to ask a stranger or have a friend that you are close enough to ask and get a serious non-PC answer then ask them if blacks and whites are the same.

We aren't and it isnt a bad thing. Sure we have the same fundamental desires in life, but that doesn't mean we will dress, walk, talk, act, or think the same.

As far as a segregated prom goes, I don't see a problem with it at all to be honest. I think that either race should be allowed to go to the other prom if they wanted to contribute their time or money to making it happen, but I don't believe that they should be forcefully desegregated either.

Senior prom is a once in a lifetime thing and if the whites or blacks wanted to get together and spend their money to decorate the hall in a certain way, have certain types of food or drinks, or have a certain type of musical theme I don't see the problem with that.


At some people you guys have to realize that different is not a synonym for evil. People can be different and that can be ok.

We don't all have to pretend to be the same or have the same interests.

I grew up in New Orleans. I too, experienced being a minority there since I am white. If people don't want to associate with one another, they shouldn't be forced to do so -BUT- prom is a school function. A school function should not keep people separated on the basis of race.

I disagree with you, and we are both from New Orleans, and we are both white.

Casual racism is a bigger problem in many ways than overt racism. The idea that somehow we are different enough that we cannot interact is not an advancement for anyone, white or black - it's just one more way to "I'm not like you". A major reason I disagree is because this is a school function. A lesser reason is because it is a nod to the old way of thinking that we shouldn't be interacting.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Here have another couple:

Again, and I know you can't seem to grasp this concept, but you can't call someone bigoted for pointing out other people's bigoted behavior. It doesn't work that way.

You are a bigot because you think the entirety of the population of Georgia are bigots. The willful ignorance demonstrated in your hasty generalization is the proof in the pudding.

I never said that.

 

[DealMonkey]

And by the way, if you don't think the South - in particular, Southern Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi - has had a long sad history of prejudice and racism, well then you're completely delusional.

Is everyone in those states a racist? Of course not, and I never said that. Yet in CWs rush to judge me (and contribute nothing to this thread I may point out) he is once again mistaken in thinking that pointing out someone's bigoted, prejudicial or racist behavior somehow makes you bigoted yourself.

It's as if you're being purposely obtuse CW. It's quite annoying, but ultimately you know you're wrong.

 

[Termagant]

Many times the students of both races are the ones who want the separate proms the most, the reason being that they want to listen to different music. The whites want rock and traditional prom music and the blacks what hip hop and rap.

To all you PC people who whined about the nappy headed hoes comment, would you really want to go to a prom with music incessantly mentioning hoes, n*ggers, et al?

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I never said that.

Yes, you've never explicitly said a lot of things. But anyone who has read some of your posts knows how you feel, whether it be about Catholics, the South, or whatever group you're railing against that day. Veiled bigotry is still bigotry.

 

[5150Joker]

The Whites in the South should continue to keep their proms segregated. Who the hell would want to mix with those inbreeds? Hell give them independence and fence them in.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I never said that.

Yes, you've never explicitly said a lot of things. But anyone who has read some of your posts knows how you feel, whether it be about Catholics, the South, or whatever group you're railing against that day. Veiled bigotry is still bigotry.

I'm glad to see you're a mind reader. You're wrong. Now take it to PM if you have a problem with me, and next time try a little harder to contribute something to the thread instead of lame ad homs that have no basis in reality. Here's one for the road: See ya!