Student Suspended for Call to Mom in Iraq

[AJPatel]

The student doesn't seem like he was a shining example of politeness.

I blame the administration for letting it escalate this far, but I also blame the student.

 

[Zebo]

I am a teacher in an urban setting.

I'm sorry. You get combat pay? May want to think about iraq. It's safer and between 10,000-25,000 a month can be made there depending what you do.

 

[owensdj]

EagleKeeper, I think a student having a cell phone with them at school gives them the ability to stay in touch with their family, which is how that student was using it. They can call their parents to tell them they're going to be late coming home. Their parents can call them to tell them about an emergency.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: owensdj
EagleKeeper, I think a student having a cell phone with them at school gives them the ability to stay in touch with their family, which is how that student was using it. They can call their parents to tell them they're going to be late coming home. Their parents can call them to tell them about an emergency.

Drop a dime.
The parents have the school number for emergency. the student should have no need to make a call that either can not wait until call break and/or be excused by the teacher to make the call.

Works well for 50+ years.

Why should the cell provide any additional benifits. It allows for distratctions and mis-use.

 

[powerup]

Perfect example, I just had a cell phone situation 15 min. ago. The female started to talk on her phone. I asked her to put it awaw, she refused. I kept on her by politely asking her to hang up the phone. She finally said to me "if you dont leave me alone Im going to swing on you." Then she did hang up and decided to call her mom to let her know that I would not leave her alone. I look forward to speaking to her mother.

 

[Calin]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Like I said in OT. Good. "Mr. Special" isn't. Lots of people are in this situation, and years before kids and parents had no way to know who was dead and still alive, yet we managed.

10 days is harsh, but it's the rules. Someone can bitch and moan and change them, but that's how it is for now.

The teacher should have had a bit of understanding. However, the kid certainly deserved the suspension for its behaviour later in the office. He should have ask for understanding and excuses.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: powerup
Perfect example, I just had a cell phone situation 15 min. ago. The female started to talk on her phone. I asked her to put it awaw, she refused. I kept on her by politely asking her to hang up the phone. She finally said to me "if you dont leave me alone Im going to swing on you." Then she did hang up and decided to call her mom to let her know that I would not leave her alone. I look forward to speaking to her mother.

Hopefully the apple fell far from the tree.

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: powerup
Perfect example, I just had a cell phone situation 15 min. ago. The female started to talk on her phone. I asked her to put it awaw, she refused. I kept on her by politely asking her to hang up the phone. She finally said to me "if you dont leave me alone Im going to swing on you." Then she did hang up and decided to call her mom to let her know that I would not leave her alone. I look forward to speaking to her mother.

Sorry man, the grief you surely put up with on a daily basis...

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: owensdj
EagleKeeper, I think a student having a cell phone with them at school gives them the ability to stay in touch with their family, which is how that student was using it. They can call their parents to tell them they're going to be late coming home. Their parents can call them to tell them about an emergency.

Use a pay phone, or use the school secretary to route emergency call like someone already recommended. Not a new concept.

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
On the other hand you can choose to try to dictate every lasting moment of your students time in school, but you will create a lot less conflict if you treat them with the simple respect of letting them deside between their cell phone or the computer lab in peace.

That may true for the vast minority, but most kids are abhorent little a$$holes who seriously need their warped view on minorty (age) entitlement clarified. These are children, there's no way they should be dictating sh!t to anybody. Kids need discipline and a kid can not provide that for themselves, it's naive and ignorant to think so.

 

[powerup]

So far today is a good day. Cell phones are a constant distraction. Now the phones can record and play music (crappy sounding music, no bass and crappy treble). The phones are constantly being played with.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: powerup
Perfect example, I just had a cell phone situation 15 min. ago. The female started to talk on her phone. I asked her to put it awaw, she refused. I kept on her by politely asking her to hang up the phone. She finally said to me "if you dont leave me alone Im going to swing on you." Then she did hang up and decided to call her mom to let her know that I would not leave her alone. I look forward to speaking to her mother.

Yet if you would have let the girl finish her call in peace then there would have never been a conflict to deal with in the first place.

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: powerup
Perfect example, I just had a cell phone situation 15 min. ago. The female started to talk on her phone. I asked her to put it awaw, she refused. I kept on her by politely asking her to hang up the phone. She finally said to me "if you dont leave me alone Im going to swing on you." Then she did hang up and decided to call her mom to let her know that I would not leave her alone. I look forward to speaking to her mother.

Yet if you would have let the girl finish her call in peace then there would have never been a conflict to deal with in the first place.

Oh jesus christ snowman, where does it end?

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski

That may true for the vast minority, but most kids are abhorent little a$$holes who seriously need their warped view on minorty (age) entitlement clarified. These are children, there's no way they should be dictating sh!t to anybody. Kids need discipline and a kid can not provide that for themselves, it's naive and ignorant to think so.

Have to watch out for the chicken or the egg problem, if you come into a sittuation with the opinion that "most kids a are abhorent little a$$holes", you are going to wind up pushing a lot of kids into acting like abhorent little a$$holes.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: powerup
Perfect example, I just had a cell phone situation 15 min. ago. The female started to talk on her phone. I asked her to put it awaw, she refused. I kept on her by politely asking her to hang up the phone. She finally said to me "if you dont leave me alone Im going to swing on you." Then she did hang up and decided to call her mom to let her know that I would not leave her alone. I look forward to speaking to her mother.

Yet if you would have let the girl finish her call in peace then there would have never been a conflict to deal with in the first place.

Oh jesus christ snowman, where does it end?

As I said, it would have never have started in the first place if people didn't get off on pushing kids around.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: powerup
Perfect example, I just had a cell phone situation 15 min. ago. The female started to talk on her phone. I asked her to put it awaw, she refused. I kept on her by politely asking her to hang up the phone. She finally said to me "if you dont leave me alone Im going to swing on you." Then she did hang up and decided to call her mom to let her know that I would not leave her alone. I look forward to speaking to her mother.

Yet if you would have let the girl finish her call in peace then there would have never been a conflict to deal with in the first place.

Then why have rules. She could have continued talking well beyond the initial "important" information exchange.

Why not allow everyone to talk at once during class.

Or better yet, why even have class. Let the spoiled brats have home schooling.

Schools are not for babysitting; why should they handle the parenting responsibilites; like learning respect, being courteous, obeying the rules, accepting consequences of their actions.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Then why have rules. She could have continued talking well beyond the initial "important" information exchange.

Have rules to regulate against people infriging on the rights of others, conducting a phone conversatioin during lunch break doesn't fall into that.

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Why not allow everyone to talk at once during class.

See above.

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Or better yet, why even have class. Let the spoiled brats have home schooling.

Schools are not for babysitting; why should they handle the parenting responsibilites; like learning respect, being courteous, obeying the rules, accepting consequences of their actions.

Sense when is letting a person enjoy a phone call with his mom durring his lunch break constitute babysitting?

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Then why have rules. She could have continued talking well beyond the initial "important" information exchange.

Have rules to regulate against people infriging on the rights of others, conducting a phone conversatioin during lunch break doesn't fall into that.

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Why not allow everyone to talk at once during class.

See above.

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Or better yet, why even have class. Let the spoiled brats have home schooling.

Schools are not for babysitting; why should they handle the parenting responsibilites; like learning respect, being courteous, obeying the rules, accepting consequences of their actions.

Sense when is letting a person enjoy a phone call with his mom durring his lunch break constitute babysitting?

Oh of course snowman, what was I thinking? I'm sure the vast majority of children use their phones to keep in touch with mommy and daddy on their lunch break; my bad. Phones are a distraction from your education, and the education of those around you.

Oh, and as for "Sense when is letting a person enjoy a phone call with his mom durring his lunch break constitute babysitting?", it's "since." Pay attention, put the phone down. 🙂

 

[EagleKeeper]

You are missing the sarcasm with respect to babysitting.

It boils down to the rules are there fore a purpose for the general good.
The schools responsiblity is to educate. Sudents that will not obey the rules, should not be there.

No-one has yet shown why a cell phone is needed for educational purposes.

 

[kylebisme]

"Zee rules are zee rules" again? You don't use that argument to justfy restricting people from things which in no way infringe uppon the rights of others and still consider yourself a freedom loving American, do you?

 

[powerup]

My situation was not in the lunch room it was during my class. So no I was not going to "let her finish her phone call in peace"

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
"Zee rules are zee rules" again? You don't use that argument to justfy restricting people from things which in no way infringe uppon the rights of others and still consider yourself a freedom loving American, do you?

Rights of the public overwhelm the rights of the indivigual.

Otherwise there would tyranny and chaos.

Allowing one person to have their way then opens the door for others to replicate ("because the precedent was set")

If one does not like the rules that exists, then either work to change them or leave.

One does not have the right to infringe on the rights of others.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: powerup
My situation was not in the lunch room it was during my class. So no I was not going to "let her finish her phone call in peace"

Understood, that is a different case all together. In that situation it seems like polite way to handle the situation would be to show the girl the door like we do in theaters and conventions and the like. Extra home work, detention, suspension, or outright removal from the class at your discretion should obviously be applied depending on the level and frequency of disruption caused.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Rights of the public overwhelm the rights of the indivigual.

Otherwise there would tyranny and chaos.

Yeah, kids talking on phones durrring lunch break, oh the horror.

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Allowing one person to have their way then opens the door for others to replicate ("because the precedent was set")

If one does not like the rules that exists, then either work to change them or leave.

Kinda hard to effect change when anyone who tries gets "zee rules are zee rules" thrown back at them, but at least I try.

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
One does not have the right to infringe on the rights of others.

So then drop the BS rules and let kids enjoy in the simple plesure of a phone call during lunch in peace.

 

[powerup]

The problem is still that phones can be used for negative purposes such as calling parents to spin a story because they were in trouble or calling for backup during their lunch break. If we could block those calls like we block porn and other internet sites that do not belong in schools then I maybe be ok with during lunch. However I found a good link that discusses the reasons not to have cell phones in school at all.
http://www.schoolsecurity.org/trends/cell_phones.html