Student Suspended for Call to Mom in Iraq

[kylebisme]

I'm pretty sure we all agree that life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are basic human rights; so are you honestly trying to contest that answering your phone on your lunch break is anything but a logical extension of that?

As for your second question, I don't follow at all. From what I understand, there is a rule in place against all cell phone usage by students in school which prompted the teacher to approach the kid on the issue. Unless I missed something, it is very obvious where the kids are being treated without the respect we all deserve as humans.

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
I'm pretty sure we all agree that life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are basic human rights; so are you honestly trying to contest that answering your phone on your lunch break is anything but a logical extension of that?

As for your second question, I don't follow at all. From what I understand, there is a rule in place against all cell phone usage by students in school which prompted the teacher to approach the kid on the issue. Unless I missed something, it is very obvious where the kids are being treated without the respect we all deserve as humans.

we absolutely agree on that, but that doesnt require a cell phone.

there is a rule concerning cell phones in school, and there should be. but the school also makes acceptions for kids in his situation. he wasnt denied that right since they make the exception. the kid couldve said "im talking to my mother who is in iraq" and this probably wouldnt have happened. instead he chose to get belligerent with the teacher, who is just doing her job in the first place, and he was taken to the office for his attitude. he also couldve avoided any punishment had he not thrown a fit in the office.

there are conflicting stories on what was said when the teacher confronted the student; a he said she said. but im inclined to believe the teacher in light of his behavior when taken to the office.

i dont see any harm in letting the kids talk on their cell phone when at lunch. its really no big deal, IMO. but school administrators see it differently, and theyre in a better position to make that decision than i am.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Like I said in OT. Good. "Mr. Special" isn't. Lots of people are in this situation, and years before kids and parents had no way to know who was dead and still alive, yet we managed.

10 days is harsh, but it's the rules. Someone can bitch and moan and change them, but that's how it is for now.

Right on!! Remember the good old days when we pounded nails with our heads!! We got by, but these wussie kids today.....gessh. Who does he think he is?? I mean just because there is a chance he will never see or talk to his mother again isn't a reason to break with POLICY!! It's..it's...it's ANARCHY!!!!!

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: shimsham

we absolutely agree on that, but that doesnt require a cell phone.

I'm not suggesting that our rights in any requires a cell phone; I'm saying that school rules that attempt to restrict the rights of the students beyond reason only serve create conflict with those students. Exceptions aside, the trouble steamed from a school rule which directly imposes on his liberty. If the teacher had shown the respect we generally afforded to a fellow person, she would have seen no reason to interrupt the kid's phone conversation in the fist place.

 

[Rogue]

Here's another update (hope it hasn't been posted):

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7762540/

In particular, I like this quote.

?People are fussing at us, calling us names,? said assistant principal Wendell Turner.

Are these adults running this school or are they "student teachers"?

 

[Lorn]

- I'm not disrupting the class
- It is my family member
- My family member is in IRAQ

And you've got the fuckin' nerve to tell me to hang up?

Edit: That was really lame to say "I'm 17 I can do what I want". While I wouldn't be saying something utterly rediculous like that, you can be damn sure that I'll be angry if someone's trying to get me to hang up on a family member who's over in Iraq - serving for the county in which the schools are designed to maintain.

 

[jjzelinski]

It sounds more and more like the kid's a disrespectful little POS. Teachers need teeth, NOBODY respects them anymore.

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: shimsham

we absolutely agree on that, but that doesnt require a cell phone.

I'm not suggesting that our rights in any requires a cell phone; I'm saying that school rules that attempt to restrict the rights of the students beyond reason only serve create conflict with those students. Exceptions aside, the trouble steamed from a school rule which directly imposes on his liberty. If the teacher had shown the respect we generally afforded to a fellow person, she would have seen no reason to interrupt the kid's phone conversation in the fist place.

I can't stand the entitlement mentality of students. If students were mandated to wear shock collars, that'd be a step in the right direction.

 

[SuperTool]

Ooooh. But his mommie is in Iraq. He is not subject to the rules... :roll:
Maybe his mommie should teach him some respect for authority. She is in the military for crying out loud.

 

[kylebisme]

And how about if it was his grandmother on the floor asking him to rush home and get her heart medication or something along those lines? "Athority" doesn't deserve any more respect than it provides.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Rogue
Here's another update (hope it hasn't been posted):

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7762540/

In particular, I like this quote.

?People are fussing at us, calling us names,? said assistant principal Wendell Turner.

Are these adults running this school or are they "student teachers"?

What do you expect? This is Georgia we're talking about here.

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: shimsham

we absolutely agree on that, but that doesnt require a cell phone.

I'm not suggesting that our rights in any requires a cell phone; I'm saying that school rules that attempt to restrict the rights of the students beyond reason only serve create conflict with those students. Exceptions aside, the trouble steamed from a school rule which directly imposes on his liberty. If the teacher had shown the respect we generally afforded to a fellow person, she would have seen no reason to interrupt the kid's phone conversation in the fist place.

his liberty? are you serious? why no comment on this kids actions and attitude? hes at school. a place of learning which requires structure and rules. the teacher didnt respect him? she did her job by enforcing the rules of phone use. he didnt respect the teacher, much less tell her that his mother was on the phone. if he would have told the teacher he was on the phone with his mother in iraq, instead of "im 17 and ill do what i want", this great trampling of his rights would never have happened. it all started with the kid getting belligerent with the teacher. what is so hard to understand about that? oh wait, they denied him his liberty.
the school serves a military base, and allows kids to talk to their parents that are deployed. what else can you expect the school to do?

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
And how about if it was his grandmother on the floor asking him to rush home and get her heart medication or something along those lines? "Athority" doesn't deserve any more respect than it provides.

Let see here, one's is life threatening, one is not. Teachers these days have to put up with sh1t from both ends. One from ungrateful little pricks, probably your kids will fall into this category, and from the other end, spineless administration. I'm really surprised teachers don't go postal and kill a few brats.

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: Rogue
Here's another update (hope it hasn't been posted):

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7762540/

In particular, I like this quote.

?People are fussing at us, calling us names,? said assistant principal Wendell Turner.

Are these adults running this school or are they "student teachers"?

what about the part where he didnt tell his teacher it was his deployed mother until after the fact that he became belligerent? or his self admitted history of causing trouble, a chronic behavior problem?

apparently the children are in control backed up by a bunch of adults that dont want to allow teachers and administrators the leeway to conduct school business as they see fit. i think its sad that so many adults are calling the school in a military town when the first thing taught in military is discipline.

And Francois added: ?I?m not a golden child and I?ve been wrong, but I was right this time.?

yes francois, it was so right and just of you to act like a 3yo and proclaim "im 17 and ill do what i want!" otherwise known as "youre no the boss of me!"

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: NOLOVE
- I'm not disrupting the class
- It is my family member
- My family member is in IRAQ

And you've got the fuckin' nerve to tell me to hang up?

Edit: That was really lame to say "I'm 17 I can do what I want". While I wouldn't be saying something utterly rediculous like that, you can be damn sure that I'll be angry if someone's trying to get me to hang up on a family member who's over in Iraq - serving for the county in which the schools are designed to maintain.

why be angry at the teacher when she had no idea who the kid was talking to? how can she make an informed decision with the kid informing her? all he had to say was, "its my mother on the phone from iraq" and then the teacher wouldve stood there looking like an ass and he wouldnt have any troubles.

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: shimsham

we absolutely agree on that, but that doesnt require a cell phone.

I'm not suggesting that our rights in any requires a cell phone; I'm saying that school rules that attempt to restrict the rights of the students beyond reason only serve create conflict with those students. Exceptions aside, the trouble steamed from a school rule which directly imposes on his liberty. If the teacher had shown the respect we generally afforded to a fellow person, she would have seen no reason to interrupt the kid's phone conversation in the fist place.

I can't stand the entitlement mentality of students. If students were mandated to wear shock collars, that'd be a step in the right direction.

im not sure about shock collars(yes i know youre joking. i hope😉 ), but kids like him definately have an attitude problem supported by adults that have no respect for the schools.

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
And how about if it was his grandmother on the floor asking him to rush home and get her heart medication or something along those lines? "Athority" doesn't deserve any more respect than it provides.

hopefully shed have the good sense to call 911 or a neighbor first. even if she did call the kid for something like that i doubt the school would bust his balls for it in that situation.

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Rogue
Here's another update (hope it hasn't been posted):

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7762540/

In particular, I like this quote.

?People are fussing at us, calling us names,? said assistant principal Wendell Turner.

Are these adults running this school or are they "student teachers"?

What do you expect? This is Georgia we're talking about here.

maybe to teach kids to react in a rational, level-headed manner instead of flying off the handle charged with emotion? or at least explain a situation before they cop the attitude? or maybe try to work to resolve a misunderstanding instead of stomping their feet and refusing to leave a room?

but ive never lived in georgia, so maybe it really is that screwed up there.

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
And how about if it was his grandmother on the floor asking him to rush home and get her heart medication or something along those lines? "Athority" doesn't deserve any more respect than it provides.

Let see here, one's is life threatening, one is not. Teachers these days have to put up with sh1t from both ends. One from ungrateful little pricks, probably your kids will fall into this category, and from the other end, spineless administration. I'm really surprised teachers don't go postal and kill a few brats.

sad but true.

 

[shira]

I believe Kevin Francois should be suspended for an entire year. Clearly it was his CHOICE to talk on his cell phone. And we all know that cell phones aren't biblical. So Kevin Francois committed an abomination. He should burn in hell.

 

[Proletariat]

I remember reading that this kid had to live with his aunt since his mom was gone to Iraq. I'd assume hes going through a pretty rough time. Giving him a bit of slack would be nice.

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
I remember reading that this kid had to live with his aunt since his mom was gone to Iraq. I'd assume hes going through a pretty rough time. Giving him a bit of slack would be nice.

i agree, but i think he probably ruined any chances of that with his past record.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: shimsham

we absolutely agree on that, but that doesnt require a cell phone.

I'm not suggesting that our rights in any requires a cell phone; I'm saying that school rules that attempt to restrict the rights of the students beyond reason only serve create conflict with those students. Exceptions aside, the trouble steamed from a school rule which directly imposes on his liberty. If the teacher had shown the respect we generally afforded to a fellow person, she would have seen no reason to interrupt the kid's phone conversation in the fist place.

his liberty? are you serious? why no comment on this kids actions and attitude? hes at school. a place of learning which requires structure and rules. the teacher didnt respect him? she did her job by enforcing the rules of phone use. he didnt respect the teacher, much less tell her that his mother was on the phone. if he would have told the teacher he was on the phone with his mother in iraq, instead of "im 17 and ill do what i want", this great trampling of his rights would never have happened. it all started with the kid getting belligerent with the teacher. what is so hard to understand about that? oh wait, they denied him his liberty.
the school serves a military base, and allows kids to talk to their parents that are deployed. what else can you expect the school to do?

I expect them to let kids enjoy their lunch break and conduct a simple phone call without being harassed by some teacher trying to inforce some draconian rule here in the land of the free. I really don't see how that could be too much to ask.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
And how about if it was his grandmother on the floor asking him to rush home and get her heart medication or something along those lines? "Athority" doesn't deserve any more respect than it provides.

Let see here, one's is life threatening, one is not. Teachers these days have to put up with sh1t from both ends. One from ungrateful little pricks, probably your kids will fall into this category, and from the other end, spineless administration. I'm really surprised teachers don't go postal and kill a few brats.

I was just using that example to illustrate how stupid the "rules are the rules" attitude is, especially when in regard to absurd rules.

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: shimsham

we absolutely agree on that, but that doesnt require a cell phone.

I'm not suggesting that our rights in any requires a cell phone; I'm saying that school rules that attempt to restrict the rights of the students beyond reason only serve create conflict with those students. Exceptions aside, the trouble steamed from a school rule which directly imposes on his liberty. If the teacher had shown the respect we generally afforded to a fellow person, she would have seen no reason to interrupt the kid's phone conversation in the fist place.

his liberty? are you serious? why no comment on this kids actions and attitude? hes at school. a place of learning which requires structure and rules. the teacher didnt respect him? she did her job by enforcing the rules of phone use. he didnt respect the teacher, much less tell her that his mother was on the phone. if he would have told the teacher he was on the phone with his mother in iraq, instead of "im 17 and ill do what i want", this great trampling of his rights would never have happened. it all started with the kid getting belligerent with the teacher. what is so hard to understand about that? oh wait, they denied him his liberty.
the school serves a military base, and allows kids to talk to their parents that are deployed. what else can you expect the school to do?

I expect them to let kids enjoy their lunch break and conduct a simple phone call without being harassed by some teacher trying to inforce some draconian rule here in the land of the free. I really don't see how that could be too much to ask.

harrased....draconian rules....thats rich. they allow the kids to have the cell phones, yet they must leave the ringer turned off.

who do they need to call, if all their friends are in school? how many times when you were in school did you need a cell phone? how many times in high school did someone have to get in touch with you for anything other than an emergency? if its such an infringement on their rights, why no big furor over these rules that are enforced in schools all throughout the country? hell, how come the ussc hasnt heard the case, or the naacp picked up on this travesty?

can you not see any reason why a school would implement such a policy? remember, thes e are kids we are talking about here.

either way, im done spinning my wheels on this road to nowhere.