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Student researching al-Qaida tactics held for six days
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event8horizon
Senior member
attacking the messenger. i guess u dont have anything to say about who and where those training manuals came from........
Makes you wonder what other information Universities are passing onto god knows who...
sigh my government have really lost the plot, what with university's spying on our own students and our local government using anti terrorism laws as an excuse to use surveillance on it's own workers to make sure they aren't lying about their sick leave It's getting pretty depressing. I was recently stopped and searched under anti terrorism laws just for having used a train.
Whilst demanding to see in writing what I was legally obliged to do to co-operate *in a polite way* the officer continued to scribble down notes about me. I insisted I get a copy in writing of everything they had written about me to which they replied I was required by law to give my Name + Address + Some form of ID. Anyway I won't bore you all with the arguments I had about this with their superior officers but I'll give you an excerpt of some of the document I managed to get from them so you can see how easy it is to stop and search anyone without any indication of having committed any crime in my country now.
"If a police Officer decides to stop you and search you they can only do so if they have 'reasonable grounds (good reason) to suspect that you have with you :
Stolen Goods
A knife, an item with a blade or point, or some other offensive weapon *why not just throw in fists for good measure?*
Things that can be used to commit burglary, theft or deception or taking a motor vehicle without authority *Urm... does a fake moustache count as a thing of deception? 🙂*
Articles to commit criminal damage. *Better make sure I'm not carrying any keys then...*
Controlled drugs.
Guns or other firearms.
And here's the kicker
Or if they have :
Reasonable suspicion of being concerned in terrorism.
*reasonable grounds' are not required for searches under Sec 60 Criminal Justice Act or Sec 44 Terrorism act.
Section 60 mostly covers carrying dangerous instruments or offensive weapons.
Section 44 Terrorism Act 2000 (As you can see from the date having dealt with the IRA all this time our government didn't need 9/11 as an excuse it just helped further their BS)
allows a Police Officer, who must be in uniform, to stop and search:
any pedestrian
any person in a vehicle;
any vehicle; and
any articles carried by a person or in a vehicle
in order to prevent acts of terrorism.
There were around 14 police officers at the exit to one very minor station... outside were a bunch of drunks + drug pushers... I pointed out that I can understand the need for some sort of visible police presence on the streets as a deterrent but what do they really achieve from these searches.
They haphazardly checked me, I didn't allow them to search me. I never let them actually see my ID and they had no reason to believe that any of the information I gave them was factually correct. If I was a terrorist willing to blow people up would I really be concerned about lying about whom I was and where I really live?
Amusing (tragic?) side note: Powers under the stop and search are controlled by the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984....
I got that bit of information from the Complaints procedure.
sigh my government have really lost the plot, what with university's spying on our own students and our local government using anti terrorism laws as an excuse to use surveillance on it's own workers to make sure they aren't lying about their sick leave It's getting pretty depressing. I was recently stopped and searched under anti terrorism laws just for having used a train.
Whilst demanding to see in writing what I was legally obliged to do to co-operate *in a polite way* the officer continued to scribble down notes about me. I insisted I get a copy in writing of everything they had written about me to which they replied I was required by law to give my Name + Address + Some form of ID. Anyway I won't bore you all with the arguments I had about this with their superior officers but I'll give you an excerpt of some of the document I managed to get from them so you can see how easy it is to stop and search anyone without any indication of having committed any crime in my country now.
"If a police Officer decides to stop you and search you they can only do so if they have 'reasonable grounds (good reason) to suspect that you have with you :
Stolen Goods
A knife, an item with a blade or point, or some other offensive weapon *why not just throw in fists for good measure?*
Things that can be used to commit burglary, theft or deception or taking a motor vehicle without authority *Urm... does a fake moustache count as a thing of deception? 🙂*
Articles to commit criminal damage. *Better make sure I'm not carrying any keys then...*
Controlled drugs.
Guns or other firearms.
And here's the kicker
Or if they have :
Reasonable suspicion of being concerned in terrorism.
*reasonable grounds' are not required for searches under Sec 60 Criminal Justice Act or Sec 44 Terrorism act.
Section 60 mostly covers carrying dangerous instruments or offensive weapons.
Section 44 Terrorism Act 2000 (As you can see from the date having dealt with the IRA all this time our government didn't need 9/11 as an excuse it just helped further their BS)
allows a Police Officer, who must be in uniform, to stop and search:
any pedestrian
any person in a vehicle;
any vehicle; and
any articles carried by a person or in a vehicle
in order to prevent acts of terrorism.
There were around 14 police officers at the exit to one very minor station... outside were a bunch of drunks + drug pushers... I pointed out that I can understand the need for some sort of visible police presence on the streets as a deterrent but what do they really achieve from these searches.
They haphazardly checked me, I didn't allow them to search me. I never let them actually see my ID and they had no reason to believe that any of the information I gave them was factually correct. If I was a terrorist willing to blow people up would I really be concerned about lying about whom I was and where I really live?
Amusing (tragic?) side note: Powers under the stop and search are controlled by the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984....
I got that bit of information from the Complaints procedure.
SlickSnake
Diamond Member
Do you realize there is fundamentally no difference in the US and the UK at this point? One country does the others bidding without question lately. And I kind of doubt Algeria wants him back. So where do you think they are deporting him to? Maybe a Holiday Inn Express in camp Gitmo? 😕
Skyclad1uhm1
Lifer
Better not annoy cops eh? 😛
Knowing there is a good number of corrupt cops in the UK too this is a really dangerous thing. They can just demand nonsense fines, and use these laws if you refuse.
Jeff7
Lifer
Oh, if only. See what they say about the "definitely not torture methods of torture."
Could this even be construed as entrapment?
Hah, from the DOJ's website, no less.
Well I guess the whole watchlist thing is a farce anyway, so the government has to look like they're doing something with all the money they're blowing away.
"See? We're like, totally protecting you from all these non-threats! See? See? Can we get some cookies now?"
Doc Savage Fan
Lifer
QFT. This thread puts it all into perspective of just how stupid and willfully ignorant people can be. So many here have already formed their opinions without making the slightest effort to actually read the article. We're surrounded by morons.
sandorski
No Lifer
I admit not reading the Article, but still think sending the US Government to Gitmo for being an Accessory is appropriate. Britain is your closest Ally, are you willing to harbour Terrorist Aiders?
PS- "Aiders" isn't a real word, it's just been Bushed for Neo-Con sensibilities
manowar821
Diamond Member
Look at all the chicken-marching assholes in THIS thread! *pulls up a lawn chair*
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