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Student Loan Interest High?

edro

Lifer
http://news.slashdot.org/story...College-Grads?from=rss

Like many recent college grads, Steven Lee finds himself unemployed in one of the roughest job markets in decades and saddled with a big pile of debt ? he owes about $84,000 in student loans for undergrad and grad school. But what's really got Lee angry are the high interest rates on his government-backed student loans. 'The rate for a 30-year mortgage is around 5%,' Lee said. 'Why should anyone have to pay 8.5%? The government has bailed out homeowners. It's bailed out big businesses. Why can't it also help students?' Not only that, federal student loans are the only loans in the nation that are largely non-dischargeable in bankruptcy, have no statutes of limitations, and can't be refinanced after consolidation, so Lee can forget about pulling a move out of the GM playbook. And unlike mortgages on million-dollar vacation homes, student loans have very limited tax detectability. A spokeswoman for the Department of Education blamed Congress for the rates which she conceded 'may seem high today,' but suggested that students are a credit-unworthy lot who should thank their lucky stars that rates aren't 12% or higher. Makes one long for the good-old-days of 3% student loans, doesn't it?

My student loan interest is 2.6%. I graduated in '03.
When the hell did they jump up to 8.5%?
If you have over 5% interest, I feel for you.

What's your rate? When did you graduate (or start paying loans)?
 
Locked in at 3.2%. Graduated in '02

Unfortunately my wife is in grad school, and despite the subsidized undergrad rates falling from 6.8% last year to 3.4% in 2012, the grad rates remain locked at 6.8%. I liked it better when they followed the t-bill rates.
 
Originally posted by: edro
And unlike mortgages on million-dollar vacation homes, student loans have very limited tax detectability.

I love the class warfare.

For student loans:
You can claim the deduction if all of the following apply:

1. You paid interest on a qualified student loan in tax year 2008
2. Your filing status is not married filing separately
3. Your modified adjusted gross income is less than $70,000 ($145,000 if filing jointly)
4. You and your spouse, if filing jointly, cannot be claimed as dependents on someone else's return

That's not "very limited," and you don't even need to itemize. You can take it on top of the standard deduction.

Mortgage interest is only deductible up to $1 million in loan value (total), and you have to itemize. Most people don't have enough deductions to itemize without their mortgage, so giving up the standard deduction cuts into your mortgage tax break.
 
I started paying loans in 2004. Due to a pending divorce, I missed out on the best consolidation period. But, I did consolidate at 3.125%. I was originally glad to graduate with only $8k in loans. However, I now wish I had borrowed more in school and stuck it in the bank as my mortgage interest rate has always been higher.
Originally posted by: mugs
That's not "very limited," and you don't even need to itemize. You can take it on top of the standard deduction.
I agree with most of your post. But, there is one clarification that I'd like to make: the student loan interest deduction is phased out above $55,000. Sure, you can take it with an AGI as high as $69,999, but it is phased out so much by then that you don't actually save anything at that point. Due to this phase out, most engineers or people with graduate level degrees end up not being able to deduct much of their student loan, if at all. A large swath of recent graduates are eliminated from this deduction whereas the house interest deduction limits are rarely met by anyone, especially someone recently out of school.

Consider a fairly typical student with the median student loan balance (roughly $20k). If that person pays 5% interest and makes $65k AGI, then that person pays $1000 in interest, but only gets to deduct $333 of it. Which in most cases works out to be a savings of $83. The net cost is $1000 - $83 = $917. That is a crummy deal compared to the current prime interest rate of 3.25% which would work out to be $650 in interest on a $20k loan.
 
Originally posted by: edro
http://news.slashdot.org/story...College-Grads?from=rss

Like many recent college grads, Steven Lee finds himself unemployed in one of the roughest job markets in decades and saddled with a big pile of debt ? he owes about $84,000 in student loans for undergrad and grad school. But what's really got Lee angry are the high interest rates on his government-backed student loans. 'The rate for a 30-year mortgage is around 5%,' Lee said. 'Why should anyone have to pay 8.5%? The government has bailed out homeowners. It's bailed out big businesses. Why can't it also help students?' Not only that, federal student loans are the only loans in the nation that are largely non-dischargeable in bankruptcy, have no statutes of limitations, and can't be refinanced after consolidation, so Lee can forget about pulling a move out of the GM playbook. And unlike mortgages on million-dollar vacation homes, student loans have very limited tax detectability. A spokeswoman for the Department of Education blamed Congress for the rates which she conceded 'may seem high today,' but suggested that students are a credit-unworthy lot who should thank their lucky stars that rates aren't 12% or higher. Makes one long for the good-old-days of 3% student loans, doesn't it?

My student loan interest is 2.6%. I graduated in '03.
When the hell did they jump up to 8.5%?
If you have over 5% interest, I feel for you.

What's your rate? When did you graduate (or start paying loans)?

Federal Stafford loans taken out before July 2006 use a variable rate that is tied to the 91-day Tbill yield. Anyone with these loans was likely able to consolidate in 2004-2005 and lock in a base rate of 2.8% or so. Incentives such as autopay and consecutive on time payments could push this all the way down to 1.6%.

Federal stafford loans taken out after July 2006 are at a fixed rate according to this schedule:

link

The 8.5% loans mentioned in the OP are GradPlus loans.
 
5% is that is too high. But I signed the docs and am responsible for it. But I know for sure school is getting way too expensive so what they teach. The returns are not worth the investment. Totally -EV for a lot of kids.
 
I think mine are around 3%.

I really don't get the crazy people that say student loans are slavery. Would you prefer that you didn't go to college at all? Higher education isn't a natural right.
 
Originally posted by: joshsquall
I think mine are around 3%.

I really don't get the crazy people that say student loans are slavery. Would you prefer that you didn't go to college at all? Higher education isn't a natural right.

True.

I also wonder about scholarships. When I was in high school in the late 90s, they were passing out scholarships left and right. Good grades? Free school. Good ACT score? Free school. Good at sports? Free school. Good musician? Free school.

Is that not the case anymore or do people just refuse to go to state colleges?
 
Originally posted by: edro
http://news.slashdot.org/story...College-Grads?from=rss

Like many recent college grads, Steven Lee finds himself unemployed in one of the roughest job markets in decades and saddled with a big pile of debt ? he owes about $84,000 in student loans for undergrad and grad school. But what's really got Lee angry are the high interest rates on his government-backed student loans. 'The rate for a 30-year mortgage is around 5%,' Lee said. 'Why should anyone have to pay 8.5%? The government has bailed out homeowners. It's bailed out big businesses. Why can't it also help students?' Not only that, federal student loans are the only loans in the nation that are largely non-dischargeable in bankruptcy, have no statutes of limitations, and can't be refinanced after consolidation, so Lee can forget about pulling a move out of the GM playbook. And unlike mortgages on million-dollar vacation homes, student loans have very limited tax detectability. A spokeswoman for the Department of Education blamed Congress for the rates which she conceded 'may seem high today,' but suggested that students are a credit-unworthy lot who should thank their lucky stars that rates aren't 12% or higher. Makes one long for the good-old-days of 3% student loans, doesn't it?

My student loan interest is 2.6%. I graduated in '03.
When the hell did they jump up to 8.5%?
If you have over 5% interest, I feel for you.

What's your rate? When did you graduate (or start paying loans)?

1.625%, consolidated in 2004.
 
Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: joshsquall
I think mine are around 3%.

I really don't get the crazy people that say student loans are slavery. Would you prefer that you didn't go to college at all? Higher education isn't a natural right.

True.

I also wonder about scholarships. When I was in high school in the late 90s, they were passing out scholarships left and right. Good grades? Free school. Good ACT score? Free school. Good at sports? Free school. Good musician? Free school.

Is that not the case anymore or do people just refuse to go to state colleges?

You forgot:

Poor? Free school.
Black? Free school.
Latino? Free school.
Native American? Free school.
White or Asian? No soup for you.
 
Originally posted by: JS80
You forgot:

Poor? Free school.
Black? Free school.
Latino? Free school.
Native American? Free school.
White or Asian? No soup for you.

Well, even then the whites and Asians can take advantage of the academic scholarships. I had a 29 on the ACT and a 3.x GPA and I got free rides to all three of my public state schools, one private school, and two out of state public schools. I did just about nothing during high school.
 
Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: JS80
You forgot:

Poor? Free school.
Black? Free school.
Latino? Free school.
Native American? Free school.
White or Asian? No soup for you.

Well, even then the whites and Asians can take advantage of the academic scholarships. I had a 29 on the ACT and a 3.x GPA and I got free rides to all three of my public state schools, one private school, and two out of state public schools. I did just about nothing during high school.

Mediocre redneck? Free state school in the south.
 
Originally posted by: JS80
Free state school in the south.

Maybe it's just easier to get scholarships down here. I don't know. Of course, even people I work with who went to state schools somehow have loans.

 
Originally posted by: holden j caufield
5% is that is too high. But I signed the docs and am responsible for it. But I know for sure school is getting way too expensive so what they teach. The returns are not worth the investment. Totally -EV for a lot of kids.

Am asian and I got pretty much a free ride (paid a total of like 5K for 4 years). I'd say at least 75% of the people complaining about student loans went out of state or to a private school.

Its one thing if they don't offer your program but I'd say this wasn't the case for the majority.

Where you go for undergrad is largely irrelevant unless you are going to a top 25 school in your field which isn't the case for the majority as well.

And if you are going to a small liberal arts private school you are 99% sure to have -EV.

College is affordable for everyone. Maybe not where they want to go though but I can't think of any state that doesn't have a good/excellent state school.
 
Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: JS80
Free state school in the south.

Maybe it's just easier to get scholarships down here. I don't know. Of course, even people I work with who went to state schools somehow have loans.

My guess is 29 ACT is middle third of top rated public universities (Berkeley, etc) and would not qualify for any scholarships if you're skin color is white or yellow.
 
Originally posted by: polarmystery
My rate is ~6% and I graduated in 2006. I have around 40k in unsubbed loans 🙁
I think I'm also somewhere around 6%, with about 20k.
Yay, blast through college, and come out into the real world already saddled up with a lot of debt.

Oh well, gotta spend money to make money.


 
Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: JS80
You forgot:

Poor? Free school.
Black? Free school.
Latino? Free school.
Native American? Free school.
White or Asian? No soup for you.

Well, even then the whites and Asians can take advantage of the academic scholarships. I had a 29 on the ACT and a 3.x GPA and I got free rides to all three of my public state schools, one private school, and two out of state public schools. I did just about nothing during high school.

I don't know how you got so lucky, 3.x, 33ACT, decent extracurricular and nothing except from SUNY Stony Brook and U of Iowa and even those weren't free rides, just single semester scholarships that would have covered ~1/2 tuition.
 
Originally posted by: JS80
My guess is 29 ACT is middle third of top rated public universities (Berkeley, etc) and would not qualify for any scholarships if you're skin color is white or yellow.

Well, probably not. I'd imagine that Berkeley is hard to get into. Wikipedia says that a 29 is comparable to a 1980 on the SAT.

I don't know. I got a 29, which was good enough for a scholarship, so I didn't take any more tests. I just kind of floated once I was set. 😛
 
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