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Student group holds a bake sale with prices based on gender and race

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-bake-sale-protest,0,5768770,print.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines
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DALLAS -- Southern Methodist University shut down a bake sale Wednesday in which cookies were offered for sale at different prices, depending on the buyer's race or gender.

The sale was organized by the Young Conservatives of Texas, who said it was intended as a protest of affirmative action.

A sign said white males had to pay $1 for a cookie. The price was 75 cents for white women, 50 cents for Hispanics and 25 cents for blacks.

Members of the conservative group said they meant no offense and were only trying to protest the use of race or gender as a factor in college admissions.

Similar sales have been held by College Republican chapters at colleges in at least five other states since February.

A black student filed a complaint with SMU, saying the sale was offensive. SMU officials said they halted the event after 45 minutes because it created a potentially unsafe situation.

"This was not an issue about free speech," Tim Moore, director of the SMU student center, said in a story for Thursday's edition of The Dallas Morning News. "It was really an issue where we had a hostile environment being created."

The sale drew a crowd outside the student center and several students engaged in a shouting match, Moore said.

David C. Rushing, 23, a law student and chairman of Young Conservatives of Texas at SMU and for the state, said the event didn't get out of hand. At most, a dozen students gathered around the table of cookies and Rice Krispies treats, he said.

"We copied what's been done at multiple campuses around the country to illustrate our opinion of affirmative action and how we think it's unfair," he said.

Matt Houston, a 19-year-old sophomore, called the group's price list offensive.

"My reaction was disgust because of the ignorance of some SMU students," said Houston, who is black. "They were arguing that affirmative action was solely based on race. It's not based on race. It's based on bringing a diverse community to a certain organization."

The group sold three cookies during its protest, raising $1.50.

In June, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled universities could use race as a factor in admissions under limited conditions. In Texas, universities had been banned from using race as a factor under a 1996 decision by a lower court.

As I see it, they were just trying to bring ethnic diversity to their pool of customers? What's so wrong with that?
 
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-bake-sale-protest,0,5768770,print.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines
Reposted from Fark.

DALLAS -- Southern Methodist University shut down a bake sale Wednesday in which cookies were offered for sale at different prices, depending on the buyer's race or gender.

The sale was organized by the Young Conservatives of Texas, who said it was intended as a protest of affirmative action.

A sign said white males had to pay $1 for a cookie. The price was 75 cents for white women, 50 cents for Hispanics and 25 cents for blacks.

Members of the conservative group said they meant no offense and were only trying to protest the use of race or gender as a factor in college admissions.

Similar sales have been held by College Republican chapters at colleges in at least five other states since February.

A black student filed a complaint with SMU, saying the sale was offensive. SMU officials said they halted the event after 45 minutes because it created a potentially unsafe situation.

"This was not an issue about free speech," Tim Moore, director of the SMU student center, said in a story for Thursday's edition of The Dallas Morning News. "It was really an issue where we had a hostile environment being created."

The sale drew a crowd outside the student center and several students engaged in a shouting match, Moore said.

David C. Rushing, 23, a law student and chairman of Young Conservatives of Texas at SMU and for the state, said the event didn't get out of hand. At most, a dozen students gathered around the table of cookies and Rice Krispies treats, he said.

"We copied what's been done at multiple campuses around the country to illustrate our opinion of affirmative action and how we think it's unfair," he said.

Matt Houston, a 19-year-old sophomore, called the group's price list offensive.

"My reaction was disgust because of the ignorance of some SMU students," said Houston, who is black. "They were arguing that affirmative action was solely based on race. It's not based on race. It's based on bringing a diverse community to a certain organization."

The group sold three cookies during its protest, raising $1.50.

In June, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled universities could use race as a factor in admissions under limited conditions. In Texas, universities had been banned from using race as a factor under a 1996 decision by a lower court.

As I see it, they were just trying to bring ethnic diversity to their pool of customers? What's so wrong with that?


let them do what they want, its still a free country.

but keep in mind this is SMU, tuition is quite expensive and most of the student body is white and very well off.

Trust funds galore.


 
I don't beleive in affirmative action. I think it's racist in itself as it's basically telling the person they are not smart enough to get in somewhere based on merit alone, so they have to throw in the race card. I know people who have come from absolutely nothing and made it in this country, there is no substitute for sheer hard work IMO. How do explain people from countries like Viet-Nam, India et al who literally come here with the clothes on their back, work their asses off, put themselves through college and make it big while barely being able to speak english? To be absolutely blunt, people who need AA are either lazy or just plain not smat enough to get into the institution on their choice through normal means. And if I remember correctly, non of my college apps made it mandatory to disclose my race. If they feel like they are being discriminated, just leave the spot blank. This might just be one of the very, very few things I agree with conservatives on.
 
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
So a WASP like Ashcroft would have to pay $ 29.95 ?

No, Ashcroft would claim you to be an enemy combatant if you didnt buy it for him at $29.95 😀
 
As I see it, they were just trying to bring ethnic diversity to their pool of customers? What's so wrong with that?
Now, of course, had this exact same illustrative point been used but in reverse to show support for Affirmative Action, no amount of protest would have cause the school to shut it down. They would have said "tough - this is free speech - if you don't like it then leave."
"This was not an issue about free speech," Tim Moore, director of the SMU student center, said in a story for Thursday's edition of The Dallas Morning News. "It was really an issue where we had a hostile environment being created."
lol! Since when have universities ever cared about 'creating a hostile environment' when they agreed with the speech?

 
As originally pointed out by Viper GTS in OT:

My reaction was disgust because of the ignorance of some SMU students," said Houston, who is black. "They were arguing that affirmative action was solely based on race. It's not based on race. It's based on bringing a diverse community to a certain organization."

I'd hope I don't have to explain the stupidity of this comment, but...
"affirmative action" is not based on race but on racial diversity? Isnt racial diversity based on race?

 
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor<br
As I see it, they were just trying to bring ethnic diversity to their pool of customers? What's so wrong with that?

Well then, let's make sure they really do it right, and account for all the cookies that were given out free by the mother's before the bake sale started, and also they need to account for all the cookies that were given away to friends and family before they sold the rest of their meager lot to the rest of society. And, they have the wrong prices. White females should be charged less, and others should be charged more.

But, in the end, I really hope their bake sale turned a profit. Then, maybe they could use that money to buy a clue.

DanceMan

 
Unlike some other bake sales that were somewhat representative (I believe Ann Arbor had a $1 white vs $0.80 black) . . . the intent is clearly to offend not inform.
 
Originally posted by: TaylorD
As originally pointed out by Viper GTS in OT:

My reaction was disgust because of the <STRONG>ignorance</STRONG> of some SMU students," said Houston, who is black. "They were arguing that <STRONG>affirmative action was solely based on race</STRONG>. <STRONG>It's not based on race. It's based on bringing a diverse community to a certain organization</STRONG>."

I'd hope I don't have to explain the stupidity of this comment, but...
"affirmative action" is not based on race but on racial diversity? Isnt racial diversity based on race?

he is speaking of general diversity, nothing stupid about that.
 
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Unlike some other bake sales that were somewhat representative (I believe Ann Arbor had a $1 white vs $0.80 black) . . . the intent is clearly to offend not inform.

The intent was to enlighten through the use of a metaphor.

Why is it offensive to offer a black man a cheaper cookie, but not to lower standards for college entry? Lower price; lower standard. Both benefit him personally. Both encourage diversity.
 
what i always found interesting about AA proponents is that while they value diversity of race so highly, they could care less about diversity of opinions. they keep saying that AA brings new viewpoints and opinions that enrich learning, yet when it comes to conservative causes, they are out their shouting them down. comparisons of self-proclaimed political viewpoints of college faculty have shown them to be overwhelmingly (~75%) democrat. seems hypocritcal to me.
 
Man oh man, those southern methodist young conservatives of Texas are morons. They can't even get their metaphor correct. How white of them.
 
Very true; they should have written each African American a check AND given them a cookie for free, given the injustice their great, great grandfather had to endure. They deserve it and are entitled to it.
 
Unlike some other bake sales that were somewhat representative (I believe Ann Arbor had a $1 white vs $0.80 black) . . . the intent is clearly to offend not inform.
Is that another "difference without distinction"? Whether the price difference is 10 cents or 25 cents surely has no bearing on the point. They're not giving minorities free cookies, while charging all others, as if to suggest minorities are getting a free pass. That would be offensive. After all, it takes a lot of effort to fill-out a college application and I believe the postage is not included.
 
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Unlike some other bake sales that were somewhat representative (I believe Ann Arbor had a $1 white vs $0.80 black) . . . the intent is clearly to offend not inform.

The two are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
 
Oh ya, and diversity in Universities really adds SO much. All the black kids join the black clubs, all the latinos join the latino clubs, nobody socializes with anybody else because we all need to segregate ourselves as soon as we're diversified.

Seriously. A black student says it's all about diversity. WHO does he have lunch with? Does he socialize alot with the white students and Asian students? Why is he calling for diversity AND THEN joining a black students club?
 
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