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Student arrested and suspended over asthma inahler

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Heh I carried advil in my backpack for 3 years during Highschool, some of my teachers knew, they didn't care... I had two instances where they asked me for some because they had a headache.

Of course when I was in Highschool I was extremely mature, I tended to relate to adults and people of adult manner at an early age... many of my teachers considered me to be their peer because I had worked for them off campus at their homes fixing their computers and such... and the fact the last year of Highschool I was a campus computer tech during school hours probably helped also.
 
not to play the devil's advocate here, but i imagine the principal and the nurse are taking action because their hands are tied. while i agree with everyone else in here on the CLEAR lack of logic on all this i have to say that the nurse and principal are doing this to advert pressure from the district school board on not following established policy. I can only infer that they were probably put between a rock and a hard place by upper leadership. Im sure both of the are happy that the girl is ok and the boy's decision was the right one, but they're bosses are more than likely the ones to blame for the idiocy involved here. Seems to me the district school board is playing a "make the principle look like a jack***" to save face in the local community....... perhaps.... JMHO. still dont make it all right tho...
 
Yet another reason why everyone involved in the public school system should be fired. Then we should rehire only the capable ones.
 
Let's see...

Registered Nurse vs. know-nothing 15 year-old

Hmm, this is really tough. If the nurse said the girl was in no distress, I'll take "Registered Nurses Trump Know-Nothing 15 Year Olds" for $2,000, Alex. [Audio Daily Double - Woot!]

My mother once used an MDI that her friend carried around. The inhaler contained sulfites, to which my mother is allergic, resulting in a trip to the Emergency Room because a more severe asthma attack was triggered by allergic reaction.

Just because many people are completely ignorant of the reasons why laws exist to prohibit the sharing of prescription medications, doesn't mean there aren't very good reasons.

"I am too ignorant to understand what the harm is" isn't the same as "There is no harm". Must keep the two separate.
 
What do you mean she was not in distress. From what I read the girl was having an asthma inhailer. And exactly how is a nurse qualified to determine the distress of a patient, does she have an MD like a doctor. Even if there was no real danger the nurse is in now way qualified to determine that. Something I have not seen was why there was not an ambulance on the scene imedietly. Even if he did not give her the inhailer and she was not at serious risk there should have been a ambulance on the spot long before any charges or arests or maybe even the use of the inhailer.
In this case I think the nurse should have her licence suspended, possibly permenantly and she should face neglegence and endengurment charges at the least.

Also if there is a no drug policy then would that not mean that inhailers are not alowed period meaning that the students are in danger all the time, and even if the nurse had the right inhailer, she is not qualified to administer as she cannot write a perscription and does not know of the proper medication. I cannot say that sharing medication is good in any sence but the boy in thse surcumstances was the most qualified to alow use of the medication as he knows the indiviual, the medication and the persciption are the same. This leads to only one conclution, that any no drug policy outside federal laws should banned as otherwize these policies are placng the students in mortal danger.
 
What do you mean she was not in distress. From what I read the girl was having an asthma inhailer.
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I presume you mean the girl was having acute symptoms of asthma, which can range from mild and non-threatening to severe and threatening. It is the know-nothing 15 year-old with zero medical training who is claiming the girl was literally dying in his arms, not the nurse. The nurse reported the girl was not in distress and not life-threatening. Again, I'll put my money on a trained medical professional than a know-nothing 15 year-old.
And exactly how is a nurse qualified to determine the distress of a patient, does she have an MD like a doctor.
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Because those are precisely the kinds of patient assessments nurses are trained and qualified to make. What planet are you from? Are all your opinions completely idiotic or did we just get lucky today?
Even if there was no real danger the nurse is in now way qualified to determine that.
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Again, nurses are trained medical professionals who are eminently qualified to make precisely these kinds of patient assessments. My God, did you grow up in a cave?
Something I have not seen was why there was not an ambulance on the scene imedietly. Even if he did not give her the inhailer and she was not at serious risk there should have been a ambulance on the spot long before any charges or arests or maybe even the use of the inhailer.
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In your qualified medical opinion, eh? I suspect there was no ambulance there because the circumstances are just as the nurse reported (non-life threatening). Ambulances are not called willy-nilly every time a student walks into the nurses office.
In this case I think the nurse should have her licence suspended, possibly permenantly and she should face neglegence and endengurment charges at the least.
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Ok, whatever.
Also if there is a no drug policy then would that not mean that inhailers are not alowed period meaning that the students are in danger all the time, and even if the nurse had the right inhailer, she is not qualified to administer as she cannot write a perscription and does not know of the proper medication. I cannot say that sharing medication is good in any sence but the boy in thse surcumstances was the most qualified to alow use of the medication as he knows the indiviual, the medication and the persciption are the same. This leads to only one conclution, that any no drug policy outside federal laws should banned as otherwize these policies are placng the students in mortal danger
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I've responded to enough of your ignorance tonight but this bit of senseless rambling above really takes the idiocy prize.

Come back when you reach 12 years of age.
 
Fsck that.

That actually pisses me off. Dumbsh!t school admins. :|

tcsenter- Clearly, they both knew they used the same medication.
 
Did you read the article. The girl whent to the office because she forgot her inhailer and she had trouble breathing. Her boyfreiend was not making the decition, he only provided help. And I don't care how serious or mild it may be. If she came to the office then she difinetly requires medical attension. A girl at my old high school died when a minor athma atack became a little more serious. And when I say minor I mean a case were she was not at all concerned about it.

And with the no drug policy the nurce needs to diagnose and administer percription medication or decide aggainst it. This would be outside the traning and official expertice of any nurce. The girl was having problems breathing that she thought and actualy was solved by use of an inhailer so any way you look at it the nurce was clearly mistaken. Not in weather or not it was serious but in that she took no action.
 
tscenter- Clearly, they both knew they used the same medication.
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We do not know that. They may have known, they may not have known. The boy is obviously concerned about the disciplinary measures he's facing and will attempt to justify his actions any way he can, and the girlfriend would corroborate whatever he says, whether it was true or not. You can't bullsh-t a bullsh-tter, I was 15 years-old once, too.

Moreover, its entirely irrelevant whether they knew their medications were the same. The law prohibits furnishing or dispensing prescription medications to another as does the school district rules and there are extremely sound reasons for prohibiting this. The law does not make exceptions for know-nothing 15 year-olds who in total ignorance are merely guessing that they're doing the right thing or that there is no harm in it. Again, there is a difference between "I am too ignorant to know whether or not there is any harm in it" and "there is no harm in it."

While I believe there are mitigating circumstances which do not warrant prosecution or explusion, licensed medical professionals are obligated to report these violations to authorities. If they do not, they can lose their license, their job, or expose themselves to civil action by the parent of any child who was given medications by a classmate with the nurse's knowledge and the nurse failed to report it as would be required by not only the terms of her employment but also her nursing license.

Its up to the prosecuting attorney, the courts, and the school board to decide what measures are appropriate for these circumstances.
 
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tscenter- Clearly, they both knew they used the same medication.
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We do not know that. They may have known, they may not have known. The boy is obviously concerned about the disciplinary measures he's facing and will attempt to justify his actions any way he can, and the girlfriend would corroborate whatever he says, whether it was true or not. You can't bullsh-t a bullsh-tter, I was 15 years-old once, too.

Moreover, its entirely irrelevant whether they knew their medications were the same. The law prohibits furnishing or dispensing prescription medications to another as does the school district rules and there are extremely sound reasons for prohibiting this. The law does not make exceptions for know-nothing 15 year-olds who in total ignorance are merely guessing that they're doing the right thing or that there is no harm in it. Again, there is a difference between "I am too ignorant to know whether or not there is any harm in it" and "there is no harm in it."

While I believe there are mitigating circumstances which do not warrant prosecution or explusion, licensed medical professionals are obligated to report these violations to authorities. If they do not, they can lose their license, their job, or expose themselves to civil action by the parent of any child who was given medications by a classmate with the nurse's knowledge and the nurse failed to report it as would be required by not only the terms of her employment but also her nursing license.

Its up to the prosecuting attorney, the courts, and the school board to decide what measures are appropriate for these circumstances.
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I understand what you're saying, however,

Andra Ferguson and her boyfriend, Brandon Kivi, both 15, use the same type of asthma medicine, Albuterol Inhalation Aerosol.
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Shrug.
 
Okey doke. The horse is not ground fine enough for dog meat.


First: 15 year olds who have asthma know if they are taking the same inhalers. Well, one could be Russian, and one from Brazil, and they might not be able to communicate. Barring something equally ridiculous, they would know.


Second: These policies are stupid. Everyone knows silly to tragic stories about zero tolerence thinking. Zero tolerence means you never have to bring your brain to the party. Why do they exist? Litigation.
"I'll sue the school if they do x", while someone says "I'll sue the school if they DON'T do x" It is the parents and the lawyers they love to bring to school with the kids that are responsible for most of this. Can you imagine the outcry if the nurse had permitted this, and the child have ANY adverse reaction, even unrelated to her asthma? She would have been sued up and down.

Third: If the nurse did NOT act the way she did, she would be treated just as harshly as any kid. She would have out of a job, and her references would not have been stellar.

Fourth: It is NOT illegal to share medications in most states. What IS illegal is to share federally controlled substances. These fall into categories from I to IV (yeah roman numerals, go figure) They go from the "You cant have them" drugs like heroin and that mortally dangerous marijuana, to the far more abused, but less stringently regulated Robitussin with codeine. Albuterol isn't in any of these schedules, since does not have potential for addiction or narcotic abuse.

The school did what it had to, and the children did what seemed to make sense to them. Neither were really wrong.

I think there needs to be a "good samaritan" clause here, where attempting to make a good faith effort should mitigate or eliminate penalties for things of this nature. I also feel that some tort reform along with rethinking of zero tolerence policies is in order.
 
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