Stripped laptop screw how to remove

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I got a new battery for a Dell laptop. I removed the bottom cover plate and got one of the two battery screws out, it was very tough to remove. I ended up stripping the second screw head. Any ideas what to do next? It pisses me off that Dell uses such shit screws on something that would obviously need to be replaced.
 

kornphlake

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This is probably a tiny phillips screw, too small for an EZ-Out. There's probably some thread locker on the screw, try heating up the screw with a pencil torch or soldering iron to soften the thread locker, you want to get it up to 200-250 degrees F, not hot enough to melt the plastic surrounding the screw. Once the screw is hot try to back the screw out with whatever is left of the screw head. If there isn't enough of a screw head for a screw driver to bite into you can cut a slot with a cutoff wheel on a dremel and use a flat blade screw driver. I'd cover everything with masking tape first to make sure the metal shavings don't end up getting somewhere that will be a problem.
 

nakedfrog

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A Grabit screw extractor might work, my kid ran into a similar situation and I think that's what he used.
 

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I get a sharp edge, get it under the head of the screw and apply upward pressure while unscrewing. Usually gets the screw out.
 

pcgeek11

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I got a new battery for a Dell laptop. I removed the bottom cover plate and got one of the two battery screws out, it was very tough to remove. I ended up stripping the second screw head. Any ideas what to do next? It pisses me off that Dell uses such shit screws on something that would obviously need to be replaced.


The issue probably is the screwdriver you are using is a Phillips head. Most screws used in electronics are JIT Head Screws.

Very common mistake made by many people. It doesn't help you now, but will in the future.


JIS - Japanese Industrial Standard
JIS - Japanese Industrial Standard

JIS - Japanese Industrial Standard

Often improperly referred to as Japanese Phillips. Commonly found in Japanese equipment. JIS looks much like a Phillips screw (and even more similar to Frearson), but is designed not to cam out and will, therefore, be damaged by a Phillips screwdriver if it is too tight. Heads are usually identifiable by a single raised dot to one side of the cross slot. JIS B 1012:1985 screw standard is throughout the Asia market and Japanese imports. The driver has a 57 degree point with a flat tip, parallel wings.


Advantages and Disadvantages of JIS

Most people and companies outside of Japan have absolutely no idea what they are. With the similarity in appearance to the Frearson and the Phillips the screws are often damaged in removing and installing with the wrong tools. JIS tends not to camout like Philips. The JIS driver can be used on Phillips quite easily but not reciprically. Drivers are not easily available in North America, try your local RC Airplane hobby shop. Most RC Helicopters use JIS screws to mount the propeller. JIS-spec cross-head screws are generally marked with a single raised dot or an "X". JIS always fit Phillip fasteners, but because of slight design differences, Phillips drivers may not fit JIS fasteners. (unless the tip is ground down a bit).
 
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quikah

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You could try using a rubber band. Put a rubber band on top of the screw then jam the screw driver into it, will help grip. Google it for pics.
 

pete6032

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You could try using a rubber band. Put a rubber band on top of the screw then jam the screw driver into it, will help grip. Google it for pics.
Tried this. Also tried supergluing screwdriver to the tip of the screw to see if I could get it to stick, but that didn't work. I think the screw is probably cross threaded as it was stuck in there like mad. I think I might just take it to Microcenter. It's a work computer so I don't want to use a dremel on it.
 

MrSquished

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The issue probably is the screwdriver you are using is a Phillips head. Most screws used in electronics are JIT Head Screws.

Very common mistake made by many people. It doesn't help you now, but will in the future.


JIS - Japanese Industrial Standard
JIS - Japanese Industrial Standard

JIS - Japanese Industrial Standard

Often improperly referred to as Japanese Phillips. Commonly found in Japanese equipment. JIS looks much like a Phillips screw (and even more similar to Frearson), but is designed not to cam out and will, therefore, be damaged by a Phillips screwdriver if it is too tight. Heads are usually identifiable by a single raised dot to one side of the cross slot. JIS B 1012:1985 screw standard is throughout the Asia market and Japanese imports. The driver has a 57 degree point with a flat tip, parallel wings.


Advantages and Disadvantages of JIS

Most people and companies outside of Japan have absolutely no idea what they are. With the similarity in appearance to the Frearson and the Phillips the screws are often damaged in removing and installing with the wrong tools. JIS tends not to camout like Philips. The JIS driver can be used on Phillips quite easily but not reciprically. Drivers are not easily available in North America, try your local RC Airplane hobby shop. Most RC Helicopters use JIS screws to mount the propeller. JIS-spec cross-head screws are generally marked with a single raised dot or an "X". JIS always fit Phillip fasteners, but because of slight design differences, Phillips drivers may not fit JIS fasteners. (unless the tip is ground down a bit).
I've opened up a few dell laptops to upgrade ram or replace the battery and it's a combination of small Phillips head and torx screws. Never needed a special Phillips head screwdriver.
 

pcgeek11

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I've opened up a few dell laptops to upgrade ram or replace the battery and it's a combination of small Phillips head and torx screws. Never needed a special Phillips head screwdriver.


Read the link... A JIT is not a "Special Phillips Head" screwdriver even though it does appear to be a Phillips head to the uninformed. Most of the time you can get by with a Phillips head in a JIT Screw.

No I'm not claiming Dell uses JIT or Phillips. Just that JIT Screws are Very Common in Notebook Construction.

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MrSquished

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Read the link... A JIT is not a "Special Phillips Head" screwdriver even though it does appear to be a Phillips head to the uninformed. Most of the time you can get by with a Phillips head in a JIT Screw.

No I'm not claiming Dell uses JIT or Phillips. Just that JIT Screws are Very Common in Notebook Construction.

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Well if he is in an American or European market I doubt they are shipping laptops bound for the American market with screws particular to the Japanese market only. Most likely he just stripped a screw the old fashioned way or tried to mess with a torx screw with a Phillips head.
 

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Well if he is in an American or European market I doubt they are shipping laptops bound for the American market with screws particular to the Japanese market only.

That is so incorrect.
You can't possibly think they use different screws to assemble depending on where the notebook will be sold. You have obviously never been associated with any type of manufacturing process.

JIT Screws are not particular to the Japanese market only.
 
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MrSquished

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That is so incorrect.
You can't possibly think they use different screws to assemble depending on where the notebook will be sold. You have obviously never been associated with any type of manufacturing process.

JIT Screws are not particular to the Japanese market only.
They might even use different boxes with different languages on them and ship them with different shaped plugs, depending upon the market's socket style. Sometimes car manufacturers even make cars with the steering wheel and pedals on the other side, depending upon the market, or one of three main emissions standards depending on the market.

Crazy right.
 

Paperdoc

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This idea depends on whether the screw head is countersunk down to the surrounding surface, or rounded above the surface. For ABOVE the surface, I use a small Vise-Grip type of locking pliers and grab it really hard to turn. You do not care about preserving this screw - it can be replaced. In a few cases I have had to use a fine file to file flat sides on the head to help get a good grip.
 

pcgeek11

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They might even use different boxes with different languages on them and ship them with different shaped plugs, depending upon the market's socket style. Sometimes car manufacturers even make cars with the steering wheel and pedals on the other side, depending upon the market, or one of three main emissions standards depending on the market.

Crazy right.

You are entitled to your opinion no matter how wrong it is.

Above what you are doing is comparing apples and oranges.

Class dismissed. You failed. F
 
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Well if he is in an American or European market I doubt they are shipping laptops bound for the American market with screws particular to the Japanese market only. Most likely he just stripped a screw the old fashioned way or tried to mess with a torx screw with a Phillips head.





Pcgeek11 is correct. Most laptop manufacturers use the JIS standard for the tiny screws in laptops. The JIS screwdrivers fit better in JIS screws than Phillips in Phillips. It doesn’t matter which market the laptops are going to. You can usually use Phillips on JIS screws if you are careful and the screws don’t have much thread lock on them and are not too tight.

I found this out when I started repairing laptops. I ordered a comprehensive screwdriver kit from iFixit that handles all small screw types.
 
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MrSquished

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Pcgeek11 is correct. Most laptop manufacturers use the JIS standard for the tiny screws in laptops. The JIS screwdrivers fit better in JIS screws than Phillips in Phillips. It doesn’t matter which market the laptops are going to. You can usually use Phillips on JIS screws if you are careful and the screws don’t have much thread lock on them and are not too tight.

I found this out when I started repairing laptops. I ordered a comprehensive screwdriver kit from iFixit that handles all small screw types.
I have a set like that myself, just a cheaper knockoff from Amazon. Bought it specifically to start opening laptops 5-6 years ago cause I needed Torx. Used my trusty old little magnetic Phillips to get in, then Torx once I did. Just did my few dells and my sister's old lenovo.

Go ahead and Google it. I tried a lot of variations of searching what you need to open different types of laptops, from in general to various brands. The most common screws on the most popular laptop brands like dell, asus, lenovo, etc... are Phillips and Torx, and Apple uses a Pentalobe security screw type. I'm sure some jil's are out there in western nations these days but it's a small minority, according to the internet, from laptop repair sites, including iFixit and others, to laptop and computer forums.
 

MrSquished

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Pcgeek11 is correct. Most laptop manufacturers use the JIS standard for the tiny screws in laptops. The JIS screwdrivers fit better in JIS screws than Phillips in Phillips. It doesn’t matter which market the laptops are going to. You can usually use Phillips on JIS screws if you are careful and the screws don’t have much thread lock on them and are not too tight.

I found this out when I started repairing laptops. I ordered a comprehensive screwdriver kit from iFixit that handles all small screw types.
I have a set like that myself, just a cheaper knockoff from Amazon. Bought it specifically to start opening laptops 5-6 years ago cause I needed Torx. Used my trust old little magnetic Phillips to get in, then Torx once I did. Just did my few dells and my sister's old lenovo.

Go ahead and Google it. I tried a lot of variations of searching what you need to open different types of laptops. The most common screws on the most popular laptop brands like dell, asus, lenovo, etc... are Phillips and Torx, and Apple uses a Pentalobe security screw type. I'm sure some jil's are out there in western nations these days but it's a small minority, according to the internet, from laptop repair sites to laptop and computer forums.
 

MrSquished

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You are entitled to your opinion no matter how wrong it is.

Above what you are doing is comparing apples and oranges.

Class dismissed. You failed. F
You can see my response above. I googled 5-6 years ago what I needed to open up laptops and I just spent 30 minutes today doing the same since reading your response, and 95% of sources say Phillips and Torx, with apple using a different security screw. If you were posting in a Japanese forum, you might have a class.

The fact is manufacturers do alter specs depending on market, as my examples showed quite clearly. Of course the smallest markets have less pull in this regard, and will be most likely to get what the manufacturing country already uses, but the single most major Western markets in the world are the US and then Europe. I'm pretty sure manufacturers tool their assembly lines to cater to these gigantic markets in multiple ways. In multiple categories.
 

pcgeek11

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You can see my response above. I googled 5-6 years ago what I needed to open up laptops and I just spent 30 minutes today doing the same since reading your response, and 95% of sources say Phillips and Torx, with apple using a different security screw. If you were posting in a Japanese forum, you might have a class.

The fact is manufacturers do alter specs depending on market, as my examples showed quite clearly. Of course the smallest markets have less pull in this regard, and will be most likely to get what the manufacturing country already uses, but the single most major Western markets in the world are the US and then Europe. I'm pretty sure manufacturers tool their assembly lines to cater to these gigantic markets in multiple ways. In multiple categories.


Well I had to go and look again due to your post.
I am currently working on a Lenovo T480 which I have disassembled and looking at the screws with a 10X Mag Lens nearly every one of the internal screws are JIT. There are a few Phillips heads in the mix but very few.

I will stick with my opinion on most stripped screw heads on notebooks is from using a Phillips head screwdriver in a JIT head screw.

I guess maybe your experience is different. All I can say is mine is different and I have disassembled a lot of notebooks.
 

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I had a Dell tech in to replace my keyboard and he ended up stripping something as well. Was a while ago, but I think it was the floating nut that was stripped, instead of the screw itself. Probably doesn't help you :)