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[ctark]

Can't believe ctark forgot

and Stone Cold by Stunner
Sting by Scorpion Death Lock
Bret Hart by Sharpshooter
Hogan with the Leg Drop
Goldberg by Jackhammer

So what you are saying is...

if Rock > Undertaker
and Undertaker > Fedor
then Rock > Fedor

 

[ctark]

Fedor's worst nightmare

 

[Woosta]

Hornswoggle > Fedor

 

[randay]

help! ive fallen and i cant get up!

 

[WaTaGuMp]

This loss is bad for SF, Fedor was suppose to smash Bigfoot and than either rematch the guy who just beat him or fight Overreem. Now he's out and I know SF wanted him or Alistair or Werdum to win it. Well 1 of the 2 remaining will also be out come the next round. What the fuck will they do is Barnett wins? he can't even reliably pass a piss test, shit he's the reason Affliction had to fold. If Overreem or Werdum don't win this, SF will be fucked because their 3 supposed top fighters all lost. The finals could end up being Silva Vs Rodgers, while I'd like to see that, the average SF fan won't. I think I'll pull for Rogers now just because I know SF pulled a Silva on him, putting him in a fight they're sure he'd lose.

I personally from a standpoint of business think this HW tournament format is stupid. Allistar and Fedor should of been a huge money making fight, now it probably wont ever happen. I wont lose any sleep over it, but SF, I dunno about this decision.

 

[summit]

I personally from a standpoint of business think this HW tournament format is stupid. Allistar and Fedor should of been a huge money making fight, now it probably wont ever happen. I wont lose any sleep over it, but SF, I dunno about this decision.

they'll be belly up in a few months.

 

[duragezic]

Coker says Fedor could be an alternate.

http://dreamfighters.com/?p=2674

I think it's just Coker wanting to keep hardcore Fedor fans interested in the tournament. Small chance of Fedor being an alternate and small chance of needing an alternate, but who knows.

edit: I read an article where Coker and Vadim talked at the post-fight press conference and said they thought he could return still. They seem to be more optimistic about it but I think that may be wishful thinking and part trying to keep interest in the tournament.

If he comes back, I'd rather see him move to LHW than be inserted as an alternate back in the HW tourney. Against a huge heavy dude, skill can win, but when the big dude has some good skills, what can you do?

I don't know, what happened to him? Sure he's getting older and lost a little speed, but surely all of his technique should still be there. It was just kind of weird I thought his Sambo was like BJJ but he couldn't regain guard or prevent Silva from getting the mount and everything.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Fedor losing two in a row is the last of the old guard of MMA dying out IMO. The days of training in the woods with kettle bells and a pull-up bar, and cutting no weight, and winning by sheer force of will are over. Fedor is the man. But the sport is evolving and he's not keeping up.

 

[duragezic]

Fedor losing two in a row is the last of the old guard of MMA dying out IMO. The days of training in the woods with kettle bells and a pull-up bar, and cutting no weight, and winning by sheer force of will are over. Fedor is the man. But the sport is evolving and he's not keeping up.

Yeah that could be it. I thought it was interesting in interviews leading up to this fight where they asked Fedor if he changed anything, especially since the Werdum fight. He basically trained the same way. It worked for him for so long but like you said the sport has evolved so I wonder if he had opened up to new trainers and camps if he would have done better. Just about all the great MMA fighters these days do that, and I kind of wish Fedor did.

As far as cutting weight, if Fedor fights again I really think that's the best idea. So many great MMA fighters have ended up doing that later in their career, and I think it could benefit Fedor.

 

[DangerAardvark]

And even though Fedor's stock has taken a nosedive, there are still a few good fights out there for him, like that Couture fight that never happened. His last two fights were bad for him, win or lose.

 

[snoopdoug1]

bahahaha - poor Fedor. Drop him out of the top 10

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

What did you guys expect? Fedor has been fighting in the minor leagues for years now. I'm sorry man but have you watched any UFC lately? Guys are absolutely shredded and 10-15 pounds over their weigh in weight by fight night. I agree the sport has passed him up. Just like watching the Royce Gracie come back and fight Hughes. You see some little scrawny fucker with a gee on. Hughes nearly ripped the guys arm off. Fedor let his friends run him into the ground. Did he really think he could go over five years without any legit competition and just jump right back in?

 

[Lounatik]

I just watched the fight and was completely shocked to see Fedor jump right into Silva's guard, two or three times! I could not believe that he would set himself up again especially against another Bjj guy with nine foot long legs. When the end comes, particularly in MMA, it comes quick. See Arlovski, Liddell and now Fedor. Fighters seem to morph at an exponential rate in this sport. Believe me, I am as old school as it gets, having seen UFC 3, 5, 11 and 17, live way back in the day.

Peace

Lounatik

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I'm not sure I'd say it's the end. I think a drop to 205lbs and working with a guy like Greg Jackson would have Fedor back to elite status in no time. Having a little extra weight was okay when he was 27. At 33 and the way the sport has evolved he needs to be in top physical condition. Fedor is an elite athlete and with the proper training I think he could be in the top 3 LHW and maybe the top guy in a year or two.

 

[Tea Bag]

Hope to see him again, ideally at 205 where he could do some damage but he sounded pretty despondent, I don't think he'll be back.. MAN was his face busted up, I was sad for him =/

 

[erikistired]

I'm not sure I'd say it's the end. I think a drop to 205lbs and working with a guy like Greg Jackson would have Fedor back to elite status in no time. Having a little extra weight was okay when he was 27. At 33 and the way the sport has evolved he needs to be in top physical condition. Fedor is an elite athlete and with the proper training I think he could be in the top 3 LHW and maybe the top guy in a year or two.

i'm not sure he cares to do that much work at this point. he's done about all there is to do, and he seemed to be okay with the fight being ended last night. i know he's a quiet guy, but he's fedor, he could have at least tried to push for a third round and rolled the dice.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Fedor went to the wrong promotion and the wrong weight class.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I'm not sure I'd say it's the end. I think a drop to 205lbs and working with a guy like Greg Jackson would have Fedor back to elite status in no time. Having a little extra weight was okay when he was 27. At 33 and the way the sport has evolved he needs to be in top physical condition. Fedor is an elite athlete and with the proper training I think he could be in the top 3 LHW and maybe the top guy in a year or two.

Not going to happen. Cutting properly is something that you have to acclimate your body to, and 34 is damned old to start. First he has to do a body recomp, then he has to learn to make weight (something he has never had to worry about) Then, he has to be able to rehydrate in less than a day without being weak/wrecked from doing it. Otherwise he will be close to a true 205 the day of the fight, and facing guys that are bigger and stronger, yet again.

Only this time the speed advantage he usually enjoys would be gone. He does not work off of a jab or leg kicks. He also does not seem to have adapted to a cage. And he will find himself getting out scrambled on the ground, something he rarely has to worry about at HW.

No, he is better off hanging it up. He lives a modest lifestyle, has plenty of bank, and can easily start a chain of gyms any time he likes. Should he feel the need to make the nest egg bigger. Hell, he could make great money just doing promotional appearances and writing a book or 3 before his celebrity fades.

 

[Woosta]

Fedor went to the wrong promotion and the wrong weight class.

He went to the promotion with the better HW division.

 

[Woosta]

What did you guys expect? Fedor has been fighting in the minor leagues for years now. I'm sorry man but have you watched any UFC lately? Guys are absolutely shredded and 10-15 pounds over their weigh in weight by fight night. I agree the sport has passed him up. Just like watching the Royce Gracie come back and fight Hughes. You see some little scrawny fucker with a gee on. Hughes nearly ripped the guys arm off. Fedor let his friends run him into the ground. Did he really think he could go over five years without any legit competition and just jump right back in?

You do realize that Strikeforce has the better HW division, right? The UFC's HW division was subpar until only around last year.

Fedor won RD 1 IMO, he didn't get destroyed like Gracie did. He survived RD 2.

This is Zuffa revisionist history; a great fighter is past his prime and suddenly he loses a fight or two and you guys don't use any context whatsoever and call all of his opponents cans... it's absolutely disgusting.

 

[Woosta]

bahahaha - poor Fedor. Drop him out of the top 10

Losing to 2 top 10 guys shouldn't drop you out of the top 10 if you were at the top of it.

Machida was #1 and he's lost pretty much his last 3 (He did lose the first Shogun fight) and he's still in the top 10.

Machida got KO'd unlike Fedor.

 

[Woosta]

I just watched the fight and was completely shocked to see Fedor jump right into Silva's guard, two or three times! I could not believe that he would set himself up again especially against another Bjj guy with nine foot long legs.

That's Fedor man, that's his whole fighting style and that's why I love him.. dude is the complete polar opposite of a Greg jackson fighter; he's been fighting this way his ENTIRE career and he's become the GOAT doing it.

There is literally no one that can replicate what he did in his 10 year run; I don't think anyone in the next 100 years of MMA will do it.

It's pretty scary knowing he became the GOAT based on pure natural skills and his in-ring thinking ability mostly; it would be scary to see him if he actually trained with BJJ black belts and elite level wrestlers instead of guys like Kirill Sidilnikov and Voronov, like most of the other top 10 HWs do.

 

[waggy]

That's Fedor man, that's his whole fighting style and that's why I love him.. dude is the drastical complete opposite of a Greg jackson fighter; he's been fighting this way his ENTIRE career and he's become the GOAT.

There is literally no one that can replicate what he did in his 10 year run; I don't think anyone in the next 100 years of MMA will do it.

why would they? there are better ways to win. so no i don't think we will see anyone do stupid stuff and win time after time. MMA has changed in the last 10 hell 5 years.

Fedor is teh best but his style was stupid.

 

[umbrella39]

I have been a fedor fan for several years now. It was unfortunate to see him lose twice in a row. Lets be honest though, MMA is continually evolving getting more and more technical, more and more cutting weight to make weight class. He is clearly 20-30 pounds overweight, not counting the ability to take some heavy diuretic on top of that. Fedor could easily fight in 205 by dropping a mere 10 pounds + diuretics. Heck, I am a light (relatively speaking) guy and I can drop 8-10 pounds just by depleting glycogen stores. How much more a guy who is 50 pounds heavier than myself?

That is just being realistic. However, here are the facts:

1) Fedor is overweight
2) Fedor is getting older
3) Fedor is no longer a top 10

RIP

This. Game over.

 

[Woosta]

Fedor is a top 10.
Fedor is getting older ( no shit? )
Fedor is not really overweight. Sure he can probably cut to MW if he tried but he's too old to be cutting weight.