MTDEW
Diamond Member
Bet Dana White isn't too thrilled. :laugh:
http://mmajunkie.com/news/1571...-m-1-to-co-promote.mma
http://mmajunkie.com/news/1571...-m-1-to-co-promote.mma
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Strikeforce signs Fedor Emelianenko to multi fight deal.
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QueBert
Lifer
Actually I don't think Dana is too upset, with Fedor not in the UFC he can carry on about Fedor not fighting the best HW's in the world, and maybe even toss in how he's ducking Brock. Fedor is a great fighter, but he's not really that big of a draw in the US. Who is left for Fedor to fight outside of the UFC? Josh would have to be in Japan, or after his suspension. Brett Rogers & Vitor are pretty much it. Fedor apparently isn't concerned with fighting in the UFC, and the UFC will continue to put up greater numbers than all the other MMA orgs combined. I'm sure Dana would have loved to have Fedor on board, but UFC will do just fine without him. And Fedor will do just fine without UFC. With his legacy, he can fight freak show cans and his fans will still love him.
Zstream
Diamond Member
Umm you are silly, UFC has quite a few good fighters... More so then SF in a majority of peoples mind.
Anyways, Dana has to toss a free fight during the SF shows and it is over for Strikeforce. Fedor is around 50k PPV purchases per fight, that means it is just the die-hard fans. Good luck trying to compete with the UFC.
With the signing of Fedor Strikeforce has placed a target on its back. Stupid move IMO.
Miramonti
Lifer
Dana White didn't want to co-promote because he wants to be the only 'real' brand out there. But he gained nothing by not agreeing to a co-promotion. Fedor is a growing brand in the US no matter which promoter he fights with, so ESPN is still going to give his fights (and thus his promoter) coverage in US bouts.
Fedor sounds like a loyal person, and I'm glad he gave white the FU. White's now stuck with trying to promote a d!ckhead like Lesnar for his heavyweight battles, and a non-charismatic tactician LHW champ like machida, which is a far cry from promoting a stud like fedor.
Fedor sounds like a loyal person, and I'm glad he gave white the FU. White's now stuck with trying to promote a d!ckhead like Lesnar for his heavyweight battles, and a non-charismatic tactician LHW champ like machida, which is a far cry from promoting a stud like fedor.
Fighter "brands" are rare and even more short-lived. Emelianenko has not remotely achieved the recognition and marketing power of names like Gracie, Shamrock, Hughes, Liddel, and Couture. Who? Exactly. Their 15 minutes have passed and they achieved legend status in MMA. Emelianenko may or may not get there, its doubtful he will because nobody has ever reached that status outside UFC.
I have no reason to believe White did not offer Emelianenko a truly favorable deal. Its not the first time that Emelianenko's people have killed a deal with the UFC for making crazy demands that no one receives, including those who have proven to sell more tickets and PPV orders than Emelianenko.
QueBert
Lifer
UFC budged on all but one of M-1's demands. M-1 didn't budge at all. Why in the hell would UFC give Fedor's management (m-1) half of the PPV revenue and co-promote another org?
Funny you bring up Machida, he is much like Fedor, he's un beaten, lacks charisma, and speaks very little English. I honestly see Machida going down as one of the greatest ever, maybe the greatest. I've been watching UFC since Don Frye first stepped in the cage. As good of a fighter as Fedor is. Brock has much more appeal, dickhead or not. People eat him up, Fedor would win a fight and need a translator in. And he's very humble and soft spoken.
the UFC deal was 5 million a fight for Fedor, this is a rumor but it was reported by a solid source. UFC said they would let Fedor fight in Sambo, which was one of his big demands. UFC flexed on 2 other issues they didn't want to. Fedor turned down a 30 million $$$ deal because UFC won't co-promote M-1, which uhh has 1 good fighter (Fedor) I don't like Dana, but he did everything in his power here to make it happen. Fedor and his peoploe fucked this one up. 5 million a fight is almost Brock money, and Fedor will never the draw Lesnar is. Yeah, Fedor and his people are stupid IMHO.
JEDIYoda
Lifer
what are you smo0kin?
UFC heavu=yweights verses Strikeforce heavyweights---UFC owns big time!
See Fedor know hes not up to fighting quality competition. With fedor its all about the money......Fedor wanted 1/2 the take of a PPV if he went UFC...he also wanted a part of ownership.....
Fedor priced himself out of the UFC!!
Well to be honest Fedor is just a punk ass wimp who is afraid of top competition!!
What solid source is that? Some radio DJ named Carmichael Dave who cited an unnamed source? M-1 is on record as saying there was no $30 million offer. Not only that, but Dana White benefited tremendously from the supposed "leak." It makes Fedor look like a money grubbing hack looking to get as much money out of the UFC as possible before he gets exposed.
That said, I am extremely disappointed that a deal wasn't done, but I hope Fedor gets these Strikeforce fights out of the way quickly while he's still relatively young (none of this one fight per year shit) and eventually signs with UFC. By then, Brock we'll know for sure if Brock is legit and the hype will be even greater than it is now.
DangerAardvark
Diamond Member
I read that Dana said something along the lines of "Fedor's a fucking a joke" when he heard about the deal. You can google it yourself.
The real joke are Strikeforce's belt holders. Most of them haven't defended their belts in over a year, and some haven't even defended it once. Their heavyweight champ last fought in Strikeforce 2 years ago.
gevorg
Diamond Member
Stop drinking dana white's koolaid!
Yes, average UFC fighter is better than Strikeforce but Fedor has already beaten most of UFC champs! Arlovski, Sylvia, Nog, Coleman, and Randlemen! At this point UFC has nothing to offer to Fedor in terms of quality fighters, and fame is the last thing on Fedor's mind. Randy is too old unfortunately, would be an epic fight if he would be at his prime now. Lesnar is a steroid whore with no record, he has a long way to go before even opening his mouth about Fedor. Mir is a great fighter but still recovering from his incident and likely not reach the level of Fedor/Randy, but who knows. Nogueira is good but was already schooled by Fedor twice. CroCop is good too but Fedor has beaten him already. For Fedor, Strikeforce is neither worse nor better than UFC.
Miramonti
Lifer
Why would Fedor settle for $5m is the ppv would generate sooooo much more? To let a testicle like White pull in the disproportional share of it? That's insane.
The real problem is that White wants to be the only competitive marketable MMA brand, and isn't going to co-promote with someone outside the UFC because he's afraid it will diminish his brand...ie diminish what he wants to be a monopoly. A monopoly allows him to call the shots and forces fighters who want to advance to go thru him and accept his contractual terms.
This isn't the way it works in boxing, and there's a good reason why everyone isn't under the same promotion - so one person or group doesn't get to call the shots for everyone.
I hope the other promotions grow so that White is forced to pay UFC fighters what they deserve based on the growing revenues generated, and not just what he can get by with. Having a great fighter like Fedor outside the UFC tentacles is a good thing. People want to think White was willing to give up so much to land Fedor when he really wasn't willing to give up sh!t to put lesnar and fedor in the same cage, and he can choke on it afaic.
This isn't about greed, its about control over the future of the sport (particularly in the US.)
Miramonti
Lifer
Yep, with his tail between his legs because it was probably his only real option at this point.
White wants to make everyone his b!tch by signing fighters as his employees. The fighters lose complete control over their own brand, and an established guy like Fedor isn't going to do that at this stage of his career. He doesn't need to.
Lesnar is strong and a great wrestler, but a sh!tty MMA fighter. Fedor is just as powerful, quicker, more aggressive, and far more skilled in MMA. Lesnar is a careless fvck who can't fight someone as opportunistic and instinctive as Fedor. He'd probably get submitted in the first round.
I disagree with the 2 I put in bold.
QueBert
Lifer
You should sign up for an account on Sherdog if you haven't already. They have users who have said - and I think they were being 100% serious. Fedor could outwrestle Brock lol.
Lesnar is not a careless fuck, if you watch Mir 2, Lesnar had a game plan and executed it perfectly. I'm not saying a game plan like that would work against Fedor. But Brock wasn't just speed size and muscles to beat Mir.He actually was very technical on the ground. And honestly if he could manage to get Fedor is the same spot on the mat, it might be hard for him not to lose. The way he was smothering Mir would be a task for anyone to overcome.
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