Stricktly AMD Athlon VS. Intel Pentium 3

[DBavaria]

Stricktly AMD Athlon VS. Intel Pentium 3

In this corner The AMD ATHLON
Weighing speeding in at a 900Mhz

Specs:
165.00 - Abit KA7
469.00 - AMD K7 Athlon 900 MHz CPU
17.00 - K7 Athlon Heatsink/Fan Cooler
168.00 - SDRAM 128MB PC-133 168 PIN
78.00 - Enlight 7237 Medium Tower - ATX
169.00 - Matrox G- 400 AGP 32Mb
14.00 - Mitsumi 1.44 FDD
164.00 - Western Digital 20Gb ATA66
78.00 - Complete PC System assembly
64.00 -Creative Labs Live - Value

And its challenger The INTEL PENTIUM 3
Weighing in at 800Mhz

Specs:
139.00 - Asus P3V-4X Via Apollo Pro 133A chipset
415.00 - Pentium III 800EB Slot 1 Coppermine
59.00 - Alpha PIII Super Cooler
168.00 - SDRAM 128MB PC-133 168 PIN
78.00 - Enlight 7237 Medium Tower - ATX
169.00 - Matrox G- 400 AGP 32Mb
14.00 - Mitsumi 1.44 FDD
37.00 - Promise ATA 66 IDE Controller
164.00 - Western Digital 20Gb ATA66
78.00 - Complete PC System assembly
64.00 -Creative Labs Live - Value

Which system is better??
Which is more overclockable??
And any suggestions on hardware changes??

 

[Windogg]

Skip the $78 assembly fee and put it together yourself. Use the extra $$$ toward a GeForce2.

Windogg

 

[DBavaria]

yeah but which system is better??
well if i pay the assembly fee i get a real good wareenty so im leetting the assemble it

 

[Prodigy^]

You should get a i440BX mobo with a P3, that'd spank the Athlon completely

Also, the P3 will def. OC more, you can probably get it to 950 at least.

oh, and people here do NOT have good experiences with WD HDD's, you should get a Quantum or IBM.

and $78 is a lot of money - it't really not very hard putting a system together, all cables / chips / whatever are idiot-proof and I think the only things left that you can insert wrong nowadays are the floppy cable and the small LED cables to the red and green, HDD and power on lights. plus, you'll gain the experience and will get very familiar with your own baby

 

[DBavaria]

you realy think a 800 p3 could oc ferther than athlon 900???
whats better preformance at the same speed athlon or p3??

 

[ghetto buck]

I agree get a P3, clock for clock It varies by which test's you perform however your unlikely to see hardly any difference in performance. Stability wise it's well known that the 440bx chipset is by far the most refined and stable as well as cheap. Also if your getting PC133 ram I would go with a p3 700 and a cubx. Check the hot deals forum for how to get a 700e cheap.

 

[DDad]

Prodigy makes some mistakes in his comparison:
"You should get a i440BX mobo with a P3, that'd spank the Athlon completely "
Well, I just looked it up, and according to Anands review the 900 Athlon (Classic, not TBIRD), and it beat the PIII 800 on a BX board on every benchmark. Follow that with Anand's final statement "Clock for clock the Thunderbird is generally faster than the Pentium III on all of its official platforms (BX, 820, 133A) although in some cases the Thunderbird is edged out by the Pentium III on an 820 + RDRAM setup." BTW- in reviewing the numbers, also noticed that the 800 Tbird was benching better than the 900 Athlon Classic, making it more lopsided (and cheaper)
"Also, the P3 will def. OC more, you can probably get it to 950 at least"
I looked over the Database at Overclockers.com, and the average for the PIII 800 was 1020. Also noticed ,however, that anything over 900 was water cooled, peltier cooled, or liquid nitrogen cooled. The PIII's don't overclock worth a dang after you get above the 700 level, IMO

"oh, and people here do NOT have good experiences with WD HDD's, you should get a Quantum or IBM."
You might check on this, but if its a WD "Expert" drive, it's the same thing as the IBM Deskstar- well known for it's performance, reliability and quietness. Quickest way to tell is if they mention the RPM of the drive- Experts are 7200,Caviars are 5400

Rest of the system looks nice, but have to agree that you can save $70 bucks (70+what you pay pay for beer=78$) by building it yourself, if possible

 

[RSI]

I agree on the Western Digital comment. About them sucking, that is. They do suck. And the Caviars being 5400rpm is NO excuse - IBM and Quantum's 5400rpm drives still kick ass.

But yes, definitely go for a 7200rpm drive and just to be safe get a cooler for it, it will probably prolong its life anyway. I would suggest Quantum (since I have one ), but IBM and Maxtor are both excellent as well.

No further comment.

-RSI

 

[DBavaria]

WEll i take all your guys's opinions, and now for the grand finaly?
if i get the athlon system and overclock it, will it beat the intell system overclocked??

 

[Midnight Rambler]

As for WD, their 7200RPM Expert drives are just fine ... unless you don't like IBM drives.

You didn't say whether that is a TBird or not, so with regards to o'clocking, and which will be more successful, %-wise you will probably get more out of the P3800, but when it's all said and done, if you have each CPU o'clocked to its max potential, you'll likely end up with a near dead heat.

 

[DBavaria]

its not a Tbird
also please help me deside

so far im going with AMD ATHLON, look at these bencharks
http://www.amd.com/products/cpg/athlon/benchmarks/benchmarks.html
they beat intel in almost all of them!!!!!!!
+++ for athlon

 

[JPT]

I would go for an athlon, preferably the Tbird 800. I am sure it will outperform the pIII and it's half the price of the 900...

 

[NaughtyusMaximus]

I would also go with the Athlon, for reasons already posted by other users.

 

[hans007]

a lot of via apollo 133a boards are as fast as the bx. at 100mhz fsb too. The asus is one of them. the 800 at 100fsb on a bx would get killed by the 133a with the 800/133. Also the athlon will likely o/c to 1000 (well thats what mine could do without a voltage change) and the 800 will probably hit 900 at 150fsb , but you'd need very good ram. At that point it would still be a dead heat. If you arent overclocking, all things being equal and it all costing the same get the p3 I guess. Its a little more reliable and not as suspect to bad power outlets (yes i've had this happen) and does less heat. I guess it really doesnt matter. But if the athlon is cheaper get that.

 

[Goi]

You shouldn't really trust AMD's benchmarks of their products compared with other competitors's products, on their website. Of course they'll be better. Its their own website!

 

[DBavaria]

yeah i guess so
anyone have any bench marks???

 

[Pariah]

I would go with the Athlon system. Make sure you get a KA7-100 board so you get 4 IDE channels. You don't have a cdrom drive listed for either system. I know you are getting the system built, but are you buying all the parts from those people as well? If you aren't, then you are paying too much for some of your parts.

Not all WD Caviars are 5400RPM. I have a 7200 Caviar. With the current generation of drives, WD dropped the Expert line. All their drives are Caviars now. It's a nice drive, speedwise I can't tell the difference between it and my Quantum LM+. WD and IBM have a cross licensing agreement. Their 7200RPM drives look very similar, but IBM does not manufacturer WD's drives.

 

[DBavaria]

all the parts are boaught from the people who assemble the pc thats why prices may be bad

also whats the diff between ka7 and ka7-100

AND im gonna buy the cdrom and junk separate

 

[Insane3D]

Prodigy- I think you have been smoking some crack. I guess you don't bother with benchmarks, because then you would see Intel getting spanked. Also, the EB P3 SUCK for o/c'ing. The "E" are the ones that overclock well. I guess you also didn't know that the Athlon, being a 7th generation CPU, is scalable up to 1.5ghz or so, and with a GFD the multiplier can manipulated. The P3, being a 6th generation CPU, is pretty much limited to the 1.1ghz level at most. Can you change the multiplier in a P3, UHHHHH, WELLLL, NO! I guess all that factual stuff I am referring to doesn't matter to you, because you are THE PRODIGY.....