Strangers to dissent, liberals try to stifle it

PJABBER

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Good morning, sunshine! I just wanted to wake up aaaaaallllllllll of my friends this lovely Sunday morning with an observation echoing the below article.

If you are in school or a graduate of the last twenty or so years, you are fully aware of how stifling of true political debate academia is*. Liberal political correctness, justifiably lampooned elsewhere, is oh so serious stuff when you are in the midst of it and part of the mind meld.

But what happens when you graduate and enter the real world? What happens when you start encountering opposition and push back?

Do you brace yourself and defend with reason, logic and fact? Do you sit in a corner and cry like a little baby? Or do you engage in ad hominem attack? C'mon, be honest. :D

If you chose one of the last two you are apparently in good liberal company.

Now, I myself am a Classical Liberal and when I find myself at odds once in a while with my conservative friends I like to tear them into tiny little pieces with humor, logic and irrefutable fact. But when my welfare liberal friends try to do the same they revert almost immediately to name calling and cannot find their way through an argument with a recognizable logic chain. Why is that?

As Michael Barone points out, "liberals can live in a cocoon, an America in which seldom is heard a discouraging word. Conservatives, in contrast, find themselves constantly pummeled with liberal criticism, on campus, in news media, in Hollywood TV and movies. They don't like it, but they've gotten used to it. Liberals aren't used to it and increasingly try to stamp it out."

I couldn't agree more, and I offer the wealth of ad hominem attacks used in this forum as demonstration.

* This commentary does not apply to Hillsdale College or other places that value lively, open debate.

Strangers to dissent, liberals try to stifle it

Strangers to dissent, liberals try to stifle it
By: Michael Barone
Senior Political Analyst
Washington Examiner
September 20, 2009

It is an interesting phenomenon that the response of the left half of our political spectrum to criticism and argument is often to try to shut it down. Thus President Obama in his Sept. 9 speech to a joint session of Congress told us to stop "bickering," as if principled objections to major changes in public policy were just childish obstinacy, and chastised his critics for telling "lies," employing "scare tactics" and playing "games." Unlike his predecessor, he sought to use the prestige of his office to shut criticism down.

Now, no one likes criticism very much, and most politicians would prefer to have their colleagues and constituents meekly and gratefully agree with them on pretty much everything. And yes, Rep. Joe Wilson does seem to have broken the rules and standards of decorum of the House (though not of the British House of Commons) when he shouted "You lie!" in the middle of Obama's speech.

But none of this justifies the charges, passed off as cool-headed analysis, that Obama's critics are motivated by racism. There are plenty of nonracist reasons to oppose (or to support) the Democrats' health care proposals.

I would submit that the president's call for an end to "bickering" and the charges of racism by some of his supporters are the natural reflex of people who are not used to hearing people disagree with them and who are determined to shut them up.

This comes naturally to liberals educated in our great colleges and universities, so many of which have speech codes whose primary aim is to prevent the expression of certain conservative ideas and which are commonly deployed for that purpose. (For examples see the Web site of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, which defends students of all political stripes.) Once the haven of free inquiry and expression, academia has become a swamp of stifling political correctness.

Similarly, the "mainstream media" -- the old-line broadcast networks, the New York Times, etc. -- presents a politically correct picture of the world. The result is that liberals can live in a cocoon, an America in which seldom is heard a discouraging word. Conservatives, in contrast, find themselves constantly pummeled with liberal criticism, on campus, in news media, in Hollywood TV and movies. They don't like it, but they've gotten used to it. Liberals aren't used to it and increasingly try to stamp it out.

"Mainstream media" tries to help. In the past few weeks, we have seen textbook examples of how MSM has ignored news stories that reflected badly on the administration for which it has such warm feelings. It ignored the videos in which White House "green jobs czar" proclaimed himself a "communist" and the "truther" petition he signed charging that George W. Bush may have allowed the Sept. 11 attacks.

It ignored the videos released on Andrew Breitbart's biggovernment.com showing Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now employees offering to help a supposed pimp and prostitute evade taxes and employ 13- to 15-year-old prostitutes. It downplayed last spring's Tea Parties -- locally organized demonstrations against big government that attracted about a million people nationwide -- and downplayed the Tea Party throng at the Capitol and on the Mall on Sept. 12.

Actually "mainstream media" is doing its friends in the Obama administration and the Democratic party no favors, at least in the long run. Obama comes from one-party Chicago, and the House Democrats' nine top leadership members and committee chairmen come from districts that voted on average 73 percent for Obama last fall. They need help in understanding the larger country they are seeking to govern, where nearly half voted the other way. Instead they get the impression they can dismiss critics as racist or "Nazis" or as indulging in (as Sen. Harry Reid said) "evil-mongering."

Speaker Nancy Pelosi has warned us that there was a danger that intense rhetoric could provoke violence, and no decent person wants to see harm come to our president or other leaders. But it's interesting that the two most violent incidents at this summer's town hall meetings came when a union thug beat up a 65-year-old black conservative in Missouri and when a liberal protester bit off part of a man's finger in California.

These incidents don't justify a conclusion that all liberals are violent. But they are more evidence that American liberals, unused to hearing dissent, have an impulse to shut it down.
 

Jaskalas

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Why is that? Well examine the different positions the two ideologies are coming from.

To conserve, to preserve the America that became the greatest nation on the planet is a hell of a defensible position with a proven track record.

To progress from there into uncharted territory which changes the greatest nation into something different, is unproven and risky.
 

DealMonkey

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Obviously, that's just one man's opinion. I've found that most liberals manage to expose themselves to a broad spectrum of ideas and opinion and when an opposing ideology can make a sound point, they're perfectly willing to debate it honestly, however when encountering an overly ignorant point of view, few people, liberals included have the time or patience to engage it.

In much the same way you use ad hominem attacks as some sort of evidence of not wanting to engage, or to "stifle dissent," I see it for what it is: a short-hand way of indicating that the topic at hand is pure crap. Honestly, who wants to debate whether Obama is an "Indonesian Muslim Welfare Thug?" Seriously? If that's the typical level of debate the republicans and conservatives can offer up, they can go fuck themselves.

;)

And I mean that in the best possible way.
 

IronWing

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Why is that? Well examine the different positions the two ideologies are coming from.

To conserve, to preserve the America that became the greatest nation on the planet is a hell of a defensible position with a proven track record.

To progress from there into uncharted territory which changes the greatest nation into something different, is unproven and risky.

No one ever won anything by sitting on their ass. America became great because visionaries, un-afraid of hard work and risk, went out and changed stuff. The greatest nation has always changed, is changing, and will continue to change or it will wither.


Oh, and the OP's post isn't worthy of a reply.
 

Bowfinger

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Yawn. More tripe from PJ's blog. Anyone else remember, "You're either with us or you support the terrorists," and all of the other BS from the Bush administration to stifle dissent? One of the right's favorite attacks is accusing the left of using their (the right's) own vile tactics. This is just the latest example.
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Yawn. More tripe from PJ's blog. Anyone else remember, "You're either with us or you support the terrorists," and all of the other BS from the Bush administration to stifle dissent? One of the right's favorite attacks is accusing the left of using their (the right's) own vile tactics. This is just the latest example.

I thought it was the other way around???

As a fan of my posts, you surely have read this one -

Conservatives use liberals' Saul Alinsky playbook
 

jackschmittusa

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The very first paragraph of the article is a complete misrepresentation. Obama basically said "Let's cut the bullshit and get down to brass tacks people.".
 

rbV5

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Re dissent, see Christopher Buckley.

am talk radio is basically an unending ad hominem attack on Liberals.

The whole concept of Conservatives being pummeled by Liberal criticism as a contrast to the Liberals having a pass is laughable.
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: rbV5
Re dissent, see Christopher Buckley.

am talk radio is basically an unending ad hominem attack on Liberals.

The whole concept of Conservatives being pummeled by Liberal criticism as a contrast to the Liberals having a pass is laughable.

I would rate the Buckley clan in this order -

Bill Buckley - God

Chris Buckley - His Son

Lord Buckley - The Holy Ghost
 

Tab

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The article is terrible but there is one thing that did stick out while I skimmed it.

And yes, Rep. Joe Wilson does seem to have broken the rules and standards of decorum of the House (though not of the British House of Commons) when he shouted "You lie!" in the middle of Obama's speech.

He seems to have broken the rules? Seems? What the fuck.
 

miketheidiot

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It is an interesting phenomenon that the response of the left half of our political spectrum to criticism and argument is often to try to shut it down.

i'm sorry, but i think its the right that has been trying to shut down and stiffle discussion on this issue, because from almost everyone viewpoint and analysis, their plans have no logical or empirical basis.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas


To conserve, to preserve the America that became the greatest nation on the planet is a hell of a defensible position with a proven track record.

so thats what you think conservatives have been doing for the last 2-3 decades?

anyways, when you see thing going to shit all around you, the correct answer is not to keep doing the same thing and hope for a new result.
 

rbV5

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: rbV5
Re dissent, see Christopher Buckley.

am talk radio is basically an unending ad hominem attack on Liberals.

The whole concept of Conservatives being pummeled by Liberal criticism as a contrast to the Liberals having a pass is laughable.

I would rate the Buckley clan in this order -

Bill Buckley - God

Chris Buckley - His Son

Lord Buckley - The Holy Ghost

See how fast reason logic and fact is set aside when you talk about your utopia, but practice the inverse in the real world....much like the "impression" that that article would like to portray as reality, its all built on a hill of hypocrisy.
 

WHAMPOM

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Good morning, sunshine! I just wanted to wake up aaaaaallllllllll of my friends this lovely Sunday morning with an observation echoing the below article.

If you are in school or a graduate of the last twenty or so years, you are fully aware of how stifling of true political debate academia is*. Liberal political correctness, justifiably lampooned elsewhere, is oh so serious stuff when you are in the midst of it and part of the mind meld.

But what happens when you graduate and enter the real world? What happens when you start encountering opposition and push back?

Do you brace yourself and defend with reason, logic and fact? Do you sit in a corner and cry like a little baby? Or do you engage in ad hominem attack? C'mon, be honest. :D

If you chose one of the last two you are apparently in good liberal company.

Now, I myself am a Classical Liberal and when I find myself at odds once in a while with my conservative friends I like to tear them into tiny little pieces with humor, logic and irrefutable fact. But when my welfare liberal friends try to do the same they revert almost immediately to name calling and cannot find their way through an argument with a recognizable logic chain. Why is that?

As Michael Barone points out, "liberals can live in a cocoon, an America in which seldom is heard a discouraging word. Conservatives, in contrast, find themselves constantly pummeled with liberal criticism, on campus, in news media, in Hollywood TV and movies. They don't like it, but they've gotten used to it. Liberals aren't used to it and increasingly try to stamp it out."

I couldn't agree more, and I offer the wealth of ad hominem attacks used in this forum as demonstration.

* This commentary does not apply to Hillsdale College or other places that value lively, open debate.

Strangers to dissent, liberals try to stifle it

Strangers to dissent, liberals try to stifle it
By: Michael Barone
Senior Political Analyst
Washington Examiner
September 20, 2009

It is an interesting phenomenon that the response of the left half of our political spectrum to criticism and argument is often to try to shut it down. Thus President Obama in his Sept. 9 speech to a joint session of Congress told us to stop "bickering," as if principled objections to major changes in public policy were just childish obstinacy, and chastised his critics for telling "lies," employing "scare tactics" and playing "games." Unlike his predecessor, he sought to use the prestige of his office to shut criticism down.

Now, no one likes criticism very much, and most politicians would prefer to have their colleagues and constituents meekly and gratefully agree with them on pretty much everything. And yes, Rep. Joe Wilson does seem to have broken the rules and standards of decorum of the House (though not of the British House of Commons) when he shouted "You lie!" in the middle of Obama's speech.

But none of this justifies the charges, passed off as cool-headed analysis, that Obama's critics are motivated by racism. There are plenty of nonracist reasons to oppose (or to support) the Democrats' health care proposals.

I would submit that the president's call for an end to "bickering" and the charges of racism by some of his supporters are the natural reflex of people who are not used to hearing people disagree with them and who are determined to shut them up.

This comes naturally to liberals educated in our great colleges and universities, so many of which have speech codes whose primary aim is to prevent the expression of certain conservative ideas and which are commonly deployed for that purpose. (For examples see the Web site of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, which defends students of all political stripes.) Once the haven of free inquiry and expression, academia has become a swamp of stifling political correctness.

Similarly, the "mainstream media" -- the old-line broadcast networks, the New York Times, etc. -- presents a politically correct picture of the world. The result is that liberals can live in a cocoon, an America in which seldom is heard a discouraging word. Conservatives, in contrast, find themselves constantly pummeled with liberal criticism, on campus, in news media, in Hollywood TV and movies. They don't like it, but they've gotten used to it. Liberals aren't used to it and increasingly try to stamp it out.

"Mainstream media" tries to help. In the past few weeks, we have seen textbook examples of how MSM has ignored news stories that reflected badly on the administration for which it has such warm feelings. It ignored the videos in which White House "green jobs czar" proclaimed himself a "communist" and the "truther" petition he signed charging that George W. Bush may have allowed the Sept. 11 attacks.

It ignored the videos released on Andrew Breitbart's biggovernment.com showing Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now employees offering to help a supposed pimp and prostitute evade taxes and employ 13- to 15-year-old prostitutes. It downplayed last spring's Tea Parties -- locally organized demonstrations against big government that attracted about a million people nationwide -- and downplayed the Tea Party throng at the Capitol and on the Mall on Sept. 12.

Actually "mainstream media" is doing its friends in the Obama administration and the Democratic party no favors, at least in the long run. Obama comes from one-party Chicago, and the House Democrats' nine top leadership members and committee chairmen come from districts that voted on average 73 percent for Obama last fall. They need help in understanding the larger country they are seeking to govern, where nearly half voted the other way. Instead they get the impression they can dismiss critics as racist or "Nazis" or as indulging in (as Sen. Harry Reid said) "evil-mongering."

Speaker Nancy Pelosi has warned us that there was a danger that intense rhetoric could provoke violence, and no decent person wants to see harm come to our president or other leaders. But it's interesting that the two most violent incidents at this summer's town hall meetings came when a union thug beat up a 65-year-old black conservative in Missouri and when a liberal protester bit off part of a man's finger in California.

These incidents don't justify a conclusion that all liberals are violent. But they are more evidence that American liberals, unused to hearing dissent, have an impulse to shut it down.

Ya, I see all the screened "Public" meetings and Free Speech Zones the "Liberal" party has set up. And the exaggeration the "Right" uses to make their claim of victim status. LOL Do you think anyone will fall for your sophistry?
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: rbV5
Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: rbV5
Re dissent, see Christopher Buckley.

am talk radio is basically an unending ad hominem attack on Liberals.

The whole concept of Conservatives being pummeled by Liberal criticism as a contrast to the Liberals having a pass is laughable.

I would rate the Buckley clan in this order -

Bill Buckley - God

Chris Buckley - His Son

Lord Buckley - The Holy Ghost

See how fast reason logic and fact is set aside when you talk about your utopia, but practice the inverse in the real world....much like the "impression" that that article would like to portray as reality, its all built on a hill of hypocrisy.

I?d like to do a little creative wig bubble for you called ?God?s Own Drunk?

Said, just like I say before, I'm a non-drinkin' man. Never drank for some reason or other - didn't like it. But like I said, too, I promised to take care of my brother-in law's still while he went in to vote.

Went up there and it was just where the map said it was. And I'm a gonna tell ya somethin', there was no li'l old five or ten cent still. It was laid there just like a golden mountain opal. With a kind of a honey dew cry a comin' from it.

I aren't a drinkin' man like I explained to you but that big old yellow moon was a hangin' out there, and God's lanterns was a hangin' in the sky and that curiosity got the best of me. And I took a slash. And I got a crazy revolutionary feelin' in my body. That yellow whiskey went down my throat like honeydew vine water. Huuuuh!!! It tasted mighty good! I felt a revolution goin' through my body like there was a great neon sign's a goin' up and sayin' "There's a great life a comin'!"

I could feel it talkin' to me and I took another slash and I got another jolt and I took another slash and I started to sing. I started to sing and that big ol' yellow moon a hangin' out there and God's sweet lanterns are hangin' in the sky. And I?s a singin'. Never could sing a note before in my life but I was singin' as fine and as pretty as you'd ever wanna hear.

And I took another slash. And then I took a big, full - that big ol' yellow moon a hangin' out there, God's lanterns hangin' in the sky, and suddenly I got a tremendous revolution of emotion in my body, like I was fallin' in love with everything in God's sweet world that moved. Lived, didn't live, animate, inanimate, black, blue, green, pink, mountains, fountains. I was in love with life. 'Cause I was DRUNK!

I wasn't fallin' down slippin 'n' slidin' drunk, I was God's own drunk - a fearless man.

And that's when I first saw the bear. Big ol' Kodiak lookin' fellah about 16 foot tall. I walked right on up to that bear 'cause I was God's own drunk and I loved everything in this world, walked right up tight to 'im about four and a half feet and I looked right up in his eyes and I wanna tell you somethin' brothers and sisters, my eyes was redder 'n his was - hung 'im up.

And he's a sniffin', he's a sniffin', he's trying to smell some fear - he can't do it cause I'm God's own drunk, and I'm a fearless man. He expects me to do two things - flip or fly - I don't do either, hangs 'im up.

I told him, I said,

"Mr. Bear, I'm God's own drunk and I love every hair on your twenty seven acre body. I'm a fearless man."

I said, "I want you to go - I know you got bear friends over the hill there, Harry Bear and Tim Bear and Jelly Bear and Tony Bear and Teddy Bear, Phil Bear, Hazel Bear, John Bear, Pete Bear and Rare Bear. Go over and tell all of 'em that I'm God's own drunk tonight, and I love everything in God's green creation, and I love them like brothers. But if they give me any trouble. I'm gonna run every GOD DAMN one of 'em off the hill!"

I moved up, don't you know he moved back two feet. I reached up and took the bear by the hand. I said ,

"Mr. Bear, we're both beasts when it comes right down to it."

He's a lookin' down at me. I said,

"I want you to come with me. You're gonna be my buddy, buddy bear."

Took him right by his big ol' shaggy island size hand and led him on over, sat him down by the still.

Well, he's sniffin', he's sniffin, he's knows there's honey dew around there, some kind of honey bear honey dew of some kind, he's a sniffin'. I know what he's a sniffin' at. I took a slash or two myself to taste her out and I filled him a bottle. Did ya ever see them bears, the silhouette a them bears at the circus suckin' up that sarsaparilla Aaaaah it was a fine lookin' sight.

And he downed another bottle and he downed another bottle and I put two more on 'im and pretty soon he started sniffin' and snortin', tapped his foot. He got up and started to do the Bear Dance - two sniffs, three snorts, a half a turn and one grunt. And I'm tryin' to do it, but I couldn't do it 'cause it was just like a jitterbug dance - it was so simple it evaded me.

But we was a dancin' and yellin', and God's sweet moon hangin' in the sky and God's sweet lanterns out there and there's jubilation and love on that hill and finally it piled up and up and up and got so strong it overwhelmed my soul. And I laid back on that sweet green hill with that big ol' buddy bear paw right in mine and I went to sleep.

And I slept for four hours and dreamt me some tremulous dreams. And when I woke up, that ol' yellow moon was a hangin' in the sky, and God's sweet lanterns was out there, and my buddy the bear was a missin'. And you want to know somethin' else brothers and sisters? So was the still.

Lord Buckley
 

rbV5

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: rbV5
Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: rbV5
Re dissent, see Christopher Buckley.

am talk radio is basically an unending ad hominem attack on Liberals.

The whole concept of Conservatives being pummeled by Liberal criticism as a contrast to the Liberals having a pass is laughable.

I would rate the Buckley clan in this order -

Bill Buckley - God

Chris Buckley - His Son

Lord Buckley - The Holy Ghost

See how fast reason logic and fact is set aside when you talk about your utopia, but practice the inverse in the real world....much like the "impression" that that article would like to portray as reality, its all built on a hill of hypocrisy.

I?d like to do a little creative wig bubble for you called ?God?s Own Drunk?

Said, just like I say before, I'm a non-drinkin' man. Never drank for some reason or other - didn't like it. But like I said, too, I promised to take care of my brother-in law's still while he went in to vote.

Went up there and it was just where the map said it was. And I'm a gonna tell ya somethin', there was no li'l old five or ten cent still. It was laid there just like a golden mountain opal. With a kind of a honey dew cry a comin' from it.

I aren't a drinkin' man like I explained to you but that big old yellow moon was a hangin' out there, and God's lanterns was a hangin' in the sky and that curiosity got the best of me. And I took a slash. And I got a crazy revolutionary feelin' in my body. That yellow whiskey went down my throat like honeydew vine water. Huuuuh!!! It tasted mighty good! I felt a revolution goin' through my body like there was a great neon sign's a goin' up and sayin' "There's a great life a comin'!"

I could feel it talkin' to me and I took another slash and I got another jolt and I took another slash and I started to sing. I started to sing and that big ol' yellow moon a hangin' out there and God's sweet lanterns are hangin' in the sky. And I?s a singin'. Never could sing a note before in my life but I was singin' as fine and as pretty as you'd ever wanna hear.

And I took another slash. And then I took a big, full - that big ol' yellow moon a hangin' out there, God's lanterns hangin' in the sky, and suddenly I got a tremendous revolution of emotion in my body, like I was fallin' in love with everything in God's sweet world that moved. Lived, didn't live, animate, inanimate, black, blue, green, pink, mountains, fountains. I was in love with life. 'Cause I was DRUNK!

I wasn't fallin' down slippin 'n' slidin' drunk, I was God's own drunk - a fearless man.

And that's when I first saw the bear. Big ol' Kodiak lookin' fellah about 16 foot tall. I walked right on up to that bear 'cause I was God's own drunk and I loved everything in this world, walked right up tight to 'im about four and a half feet and I looked right up in his eyes and I wanna tell you somethin' brothers and sisters, my eyes was redder 'n his was - hung 'im up.

And he's a sniffin', he's a sniffin', he's trying to smell some fear - he can't do it cause I'm God's own drunk, and I'm a fearless man. He expects me to do two things - flip or fly - I don't do either, hangs 'im up.

I told him, I said,

"Mr. Bear, I'm God's own drunk and I love every hair on your twenty seven acre body. I'm a fearless man."

I said, "I want you to go - I know you got bear friends over the hill there, Harry Bear and Tim Bear and Jelly Bear and Tony Bear and Teddy Bear, Phil Bear, Hazel Bear, John Bear, Pete Bear and Rare Bear. Go over and tell all of 'em that I'm God's own drunk tonight, and I love everything in God's green creation, and I love them like brothers. But if they give me any trouble. I'm gonna run every GOD DAMN one of 'em off the hill!"

I moved up, don't you know he moved back two feet. I reached up and took the bear by the hand. I said ,

"Mr. Bear, we're both beasts when it comes right down to it."

He's a lookin' down at me. I said,

"I want you to come with me. You're gonna be my buddy, buddy bear."

Took him right by his big ol' shaggy island size hand and led him on over, sat him down by the still.

Well, he's sniffin', he's sniffin, he's knows there's honey dew around there, some kind of honey bear honey dew of some kind, he's a sniffin'. I know what he's a sniffin' at. I took a slash or two myself to taste her out and I filled him a bottle. Did ya ever see them bears, the silhouette a them bears at the circus suckin' up that sarsaparilla Aaaaah it was a fine lookin' sight.

And he downed another bottle and he downed another bottle and I put two more on 'im and pretty soon he started sniffin' and snortin', tapped his foot. He got up and started to do the Bear Dance - two sniffs, three snorts, a half a turn and one grunt. And I'm tryin' to do it, but I couldn't do it 'cause it was just like a jitterbug dance - it was so simple it evaded me.

But we was a dancin' and yellin', and God's sweet moon hangin' in the sky and God's sweet lanterns out there and there's jubilation and love on that hill and finally it piled up and up and up and got so strong it overwhelmed my soul. And I laid back on that sweet green hill with that big ol' buddy bear paw right in mine and I went to sleep.

And I slept for four hours and dreamt me some tremulous dreams. And when I woke up, that ol' yellow moon was a hangin' in the sky, and God's sweet lanterns was out there, and my buddy the bear was a missin'. And you want to know somethin' else brothers and sisters? So was the still.

Lord Buckley

Shouldn't you quote your entire Cut/paste job of a post. :confused:

I hope the irony of your "wall of text" posting and vague responses instead of direct discussion of actual points in your OP is not completely lost on you. Clearly you should have linked the story in the OP instead of posting it in entirety, and posting the entirety of Lord Buckley's work with none of your own input as a response to my post seems a bit condescending as to suggest I don't know who Lord Buckley is or am not familiar with his work. Clearly you want to stifle real discussion about your OP and the article you proudly posted, which is exactly my point when I said "its all built on a hill of hypocrisy"
 

PJABBER

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I liked reading the story here in the entirety as it sort of immortalizes it in the space time continuum and it seems so apropos in its own way. I sometimes get into a Lord Buckley mood when I read references to the Buckley family, though I never do when I actually read anything written by either Bill or Chris. Funny, huh?

rbV5, would it make you feel better if I referred to you as The Poster Child Of The Day?
 

rbV5

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
I liked reading the story here in the entirety as it sort of immortalizes it in the space time continuum and it seems so apropos in its own way. I sometimes get into a Lord Buckley mood when I read references to the Buckley family, though I never do when I actually read anything written by either Bill or Chris. Funny, huh?

rbV5, would it make you feel better if I referred to you as The Poster Child Of The Day?

LOL, are you try to take credit for "immortilizing" Lord Buckley's work by referencing it in your thread?

I suppose branding me "The poster child of the week" is another example of your so-called "humor, logic and irrefutable fact" rather than an outright ad hominem attack of the sorts you blanket accuse Liberals of resorting to.

I also suspect your grouping of the infamous/Liberal/Hipster/Beatnick Lord Buckley with the unrelated conservatives William Buckley/Christopher Buckley is your attempt to discredit or deflect my post rather than answer to how conservatives and republicans are blackballed and/or painted as "Traitors" by the GOP for dissent or straying from the party line.

(Big Surprise btw)
 

blackangst1

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Its always amusing to always go to the last post in a thread and play "guess what the OP is about". Almost never fails....cant tell

/tease
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: umbrella39

FOADIAFT

My sentiments for any opinion piece in the "Washinton Examiner," the Moonies' right wingnut rag, and for neocon turds like Michael Barone, based at the UN-American Enterprise Institute.

You remember the neocons and the UN-American Enterprise Institute, the same lying pieces of shit who pimped your mercifully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal of traitors, murderers. torturers, war criminals, war profiteers and general incompetents and the death and destruction that accompanied their lovely war of LIES in Iraq.

Credibility < 0 :thumbsdown: :|

Why do the right wingnuts continue to pimp the same discredited bullshit, from the same garbage sources, time after time, after time? :roll:

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Its always amusing to always go to the last post in a thread and play "guess what the OP is about". Almost never fails....cant tell

That's because the OP is about nothing when it starts with bullshit from bullshit authors writing in bullshit sources. :p
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: WHAMPOM

Ya, I see all the screened "Public" meetings and Free Speech Zones the "Liberal" party has set up. And the exaggeration the "Right" uses to make their claim of victim status.

Need to start rounding the "Right" up instead of allowing them to pollute our streets with their anti-American shit.
 

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What's funny is that the OP truly thinks he's a happy guy when he knows his threads aren't taken seriously by either side of the political spectrum here, yet continues to post them. No doubt a serious, and dangerous, form of cognitive dissonance is sprouting here.