Strange BOOT problem...**RESOLVED...**

Shagga

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For no reason whatsoever, well that I am aware of, my PC seems to have developed a boot issue. I've always had boot times of like 30 seconds until recently.

I would switch the PC on for the first time in the day and the computer would start as normal, except it would just hang and the monitor would report no siganl. I'd leave it...nothing....hard reset...same thing again....hard reset and for no apparent reason start up fine.

This problem seemed to get worse and required more and more hard re-boots to get the PC to post. Anyway, I thought it was a PSU/voltage issue so I changed the PSU. Everything back to normal. GREAT!

Now all of a sudden it's started again but far worse. Or so I thought. Having reinstalled XP, replaced cables, removed sound, network, SCSI, Graphics, memory to try to establish if one of those was the culprit, no change. This was really starting to fox me.

Anyway today I started the PC as normal. No signal. So I decided to leave it while I composed myself and held myself back before it put my foot through it when after 2 to 3 mins of no signal the PC just booted up as normal.

WTH is going on here? Anyone offer any suggestions?

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Okay, this is what I found. For some reason I had the jumper on the back of the Pioneer 105S DVD Rom drive set to CS. If I recall correctly this was the only way I could get the BIOS (v1013) to recognise the drive as a slave drive. Now, when set to CS and running version 1013 BIOS for my P4C800-E Deluxe my PC booted normally. Since then and in the meantime I updated the BIOS to v1014. This is hopefully where the problem lay in that having the DVD Rom drive jumper set to CS does not work with the 1014 BIOS Rom. However, setting the jumper to "slave" as it should have been in the first place seems to have resolved the issue. Now I don't want to run b4 I can walk but my PC booted up successfully this morning after having been turned off for 8 to 10 hours.

Fingers crossed that this was the problem. Anyone wanna buy a Pioneer DVD-120s which I purchased in the meantime as I was going through thr process of elimination... :)
 

Morfik

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I had the same issue, well sort of, with a PIII 500 a few days back, mine however was a heat issue (the CPU fan was dead).
 

DN

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Do you have a SLOT loading DVD-ROM drive on that PC (not to be confused with a TRAY loading DVD-ROM drive)? Is that your system that is running on the P4C800-E mobo?
 

busmaster11

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Originally posted by: DN
Do you have a SLOT loading DVD-ROM drive on that PC (not to be confused with a TRAY loading DVD-ROM drive)? Is that your system that is running on the P4C800-E mobo?

What would a slot loading dvd have to do with it?
 

DN

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Even if I didn't mention any brands, you may soon find out why I asked.. Let's see what he says.. :)
 

Shagga

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This should be interesting.

DN, yes I do have a slot DVD Rom drive on my setup namely a Pioneer 105 and yes, it is also running on an ASUS P4C800-E.... :)

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Please don't tell me the 105 is on its way out I love the d@mn thing too much...

DN, just read your signature. I have done the same thing...exactly...lol...
 

Shagga

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Originally posted by: Morfik
I had the same issue, well sort of, with a PIII 500 a few days back, mine however was a heat issue (the CPU fan was dead).

Interesting aswell. At the time I changed the PSU I also Installed a new Zalman HS & Fan. This happened before I changed this though as it also happened with the Stock Intel HS and Fan that came with the CPU...

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Suppose I had better mention that when the PC has started, subsequent re-boots are fine, so I'm guessing not a heat issue. Once the PC has started it operates as normal...
 

DN

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Actually, my signature comes from someone else who did that and I found it so funny that I use it.. lol..

As for your problem, I have personally encoutered the EXACT same problem with the EXACT same hardware, same mobo + same slot loading DVD drive which I own.. Now, the reason I mention that it's probably due to that particular DVD drive is that I've heard of someone else mentioning that it's due to that particular drive -- a guy who's in the business of building PC's for a living, though he never mentioned that particular mobo, but you and I have run into the same issue.. Hence, I can almost assume that certain mobo's with that drive run into boot issues -- usually for me it works fine, but I have run into the same situation as you now and then -- flip a coin basically.. In any case, I haven't figured out a REAL solution to the problem but as you said, it's pretty darn interesting.. :) I'd put in another DVD rom drive just to see if MY problem goes away, but I like my slot loading DVD rom drive too much, same as you.. :) In any case, I guess it's just something we'll have to live with, eh.. :)
 

Shagga

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Nooooooo......

It's only started happening recently though. It has been fine for 6 months or so. I wonder if it is to do with the BIOS update to v1014 I did recently. I think I may go back to 1013 and see if that helps.

:confused:
 

DN

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Originally posted by: Shagga
Nooooooo......

It's only started happening recently though. It has been fine for 6 months or so. I wonder if it is to do with the BIOS update to v1014 I did recently. I think I may go back to 1013 and see if that helps.

:confused:

Trust me, this issue seems to come and go with me also.. Once I put the PC together awhile back, it was running perfectly.. Then suddenly the boot issue just pop'ed up without ANY hardware modifications or any BIOS/firmware updates whatsoever.. For the past 2 weeks, I haven't had the problem once, but I'm sure it'll pop up again without warning.. When it does occur, I have to reboot like 8-10 times before she starts up again.. I've noticed that the lights on my DVD rom drive and LG burner (4040B) will flash back and forth -- I've also noticed a pattern where if it doesn't flash back and forth in a certain way, it won't boot, though I can't recall the pattern at the moment.. What I haven't done, just out of lazyness, is to disconnect the DVD rom drive during the problem -- something I'll surely do next time and I suggest you try the same.. There IS an answer to all of this BS, but it currently escapes me because I haven't pursued the issue as in depth as I should.. BTW, what video card do you have and what power supply (I think you mentioned that you changed your PS, so what did you have and what did you change to)..? Ciao..
 

Shagga

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BTW, what video card do you have and what power supply (I think you mentioned that you changed your PS, so what did you have and what did you change to)..? Ciao..

I have a Radeon 9800Pro and that appears to be fine. I did change the PSU from am Enermax Whisper Quiet PSU I forget the model number but it was 365W and changed it to a Zalman ZM400A-APF PSU. I can assure you this is not the problem.

I have just noticed that the jumper on the back of the DVD drive is set to CS for some reason. I've changed it to Slave as it should be but will have to wait until I shut the PC off for the night so it cools down b4 I restart so don't know if that will help but anything at this stage is a bonus...

I noticed that when I leave the system waiting for it to post, just b4 it does the DVD Rom makes like a release of compressed air noise then the system starts...have you noticed this? Might buy a new DVD Rom drive and see if it helps... :frown:
 

Shagga

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Okay, (DN might be interested in this) this is what I found. For some reason I had the jumper on the back of the Pioneer 105S DVD Rom drive set to CS. If I recall correctly this was the only way I could get the BIOS (v1013) to recognise the drive as a slave drive. Now, when set to CS and running version 1013 BIOS for my P4C800-E Deluxe my PC booted normally. Since then and in the meantime I updated the BIOS to v1014. This is hopefully where the problem lay in that having the DVD Rom drive jumper set to CS does not work with the 1014 BIOS Rom. However, setting the jumper to "slave" as it should have been in the first place seems to have resolved the issue. Now I don't want to run b4 I can walk but my PC booted up successfully this morning after having been turned off for 8 to 10 hours.

Fingers crossed that this was the problem. Anyone wanna buy a Pioneer DVD-120s which I purchased in the meantime as I was going through thr process of elimination... :)
 

Shagga

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Originally posted by: Shagga
Okay, (DN might be interested in this) this is what I found. For some reason I had the jumper on the back of the Pioneer 105S DVD Rom drive set to CS. If I recall correctly this was the only way I could get the BIOS (v1013) to recognise the drive as a slave drive. Now, when set to CS and running version 1013 BIOS for my P4C800-E Deluxe my PC booted normally. Since then and in the meantime I updated the BIOS to v1014. This is hopefully where the problem lay in that having the DVD Rom drive jumper set to CS does not work with the 1014 BIOS Rom. However, setting the jumper to "slave" as it should have been in the first place seems to have resolved the issue. Now I don't want to run b4 I can walk but my PC booted up successfully this morning after having been turned off for 8 to 10 hours.

Fingers crossed that this was the problem. Anyone wanna buy a Pioneer DVD-120s which I purchased in the meantime as I was going through thr process of elimination... :)

PC is booting up as normal now, it's just a case of seeing how long it lasts. :)
 

DN

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I'm not so sure I have the jumper on my Pioneer DVD 105S set to CS (cable select), my guess is (until I can look) that I have it on as MASTER with my LG DVD 4040B on the same channel set as SLAVE.. I will confirm this tonight, I also think I'm still running v1012 of the BIOS (to be confirmed as well).. Did you read what the BIOS updates ACTUALLY correct as it may not pertain to anything we are doing.. I'll get back to you with my jumper/bios revision information soon.. Ciao..
 

Shagga

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Did you read what the BIOS updates ACTUALLY correct as it may not pertain to anything we are doing

Nah. ASUS never seem to post what changes they made to their BIOS updates AFAIK. But things are working fine, but for how long is anyones guess... ;)
 

Shagga

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Well it lasted 2 days. I put the new DVD-120S drive in and everything was fine. Then tonight, system won't boot....jeez.. :(
 

DN

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So, if I understand correctly, you replaced the 105S by the 120S and everything worked fine for 2 days and now you are back to the SAME problem you had with the 105S..? DOH! I have to remember to look at how my jumpers are set, etc.. tonight and post about it.. :)
 

Viper96720

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Try not using the drive or anything at all on that IDE channel or whever the drive is located.
 

Shagga

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Originally posted by: Viper96720
Try not using the drive or anything at all on that IDE channel or whever the drive is located.

Yeah, I have tried that if I'm honest with no luck. In actual fact I was reading 2nite that this problem may be an inherent problem with the MOBO, but this is unconfirmed but is being experienced by a number of ppl not just me and DN. :)

Check out this forum.

Installed Intels Chipset Utility just now (updated version) to see if it's a USB/IDE driver problem...
 

Viper96720

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Makes sense to suspect the mobo after replacing pretty much everything and it still has a problem.
 

Shagga

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Installed Intels Chipset Utility just now (updated version) to see if it's a USB/IDE driver problem...

For some reason, it booted up fine tonight. AGAIN, we'll see how long it lasts. :confused: