Straight from the horse's mouth....

ebaycj

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Straight from the horse's mouth....

I found this interesting, because at the time (and even to this day), so many people believed that we were justified starting a war in Iraq, because of Saddam's supposed links to terrorists / Al Qaeda. What a load of crap.
 

StageLeft

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Many things would have torpedoed support for the war, but imagine if in February 2003 we could have gone to the future for a single article and it would have been this one. Think the war would have started? Me neither.
 

bbdub333

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Many things would have torpedoed support for the war, but imagine if in February 2003 we could have gone to the future for a single article and it would have been this one. Think the war would have started? Me neither.

Because the hundreds of articles saying the exact same thing since 2004 are that different....
 

Juddog

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People knew back when the war was starting that there wasn't any link, but George Dubya couldn't be stopped and if you spoke against him you were considered unpatriotic.
 

Fear No Evil

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Faux Outrage! Where were you back in 2001 saying it was not connected? (How's that for turning around a lefty tactic back on them?)

The dumbest President who ever lived someone tricked practically the entire congress of the United States and the American people into supporting him. Not sure how that happens.
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Faux Outrage! Where were you back in 2001 saying it was not connected? (How's that for turning around a lefty tactic back on them?)

The dumbest President who ever lived someone tricked practically the entire congress of the United States and the American people into supporting him. Not sure how that happens.

back in 2001 alot of people were saying continue the war in Afhganistan, but don't start a war in Iraq.

And many were saying that because IRAQ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11.

imagine that....
 

RyanPaulShaffer

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Faux Outrage! Where were you back in 2001 saying it was not connected? (How's that for turning around a lefty tactic back on them?)

The dumbest President who ever lived someone tricked practically the entire congress of the United States and the American people into supporting him. Not sure how that happens.

:laugh:

Good one!

I thought Bush was just a simpleton from Texas who couldn't tie his shoes?!

Yet he tricked everyone, including all of these "super intelligent" liberals!

:Q
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Faux Outrage! Where were you back in 2001 saying it was not connected? (How's that for turning around a lefty tactic back on them?)

The dumbest President who ever lived someone tricked practically the entire congress of the United States and the American people into supporting him. Not sure how that happens.

As in most of your posts, you are making false statements.

Most Democrats in Congress did not say at the time that Saddam was involved in 9/11.

Bush pushed through the resolution authorizing force by promising that the purpose was only to get inspectors back into Iraq, giving him leverage to pressure Saddam, and that war would not happen if Saddam allowed that, and would only be a last resort if he did not. He lied. The inspections were ongoing when Bush started the war and ordered the inspectors to leave Iraq.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Faux Outrage! Where were you back in 2001 saying it was not connected? (How's that for turning around a lefty tactic back on them?)

The dumbest President who ever lived someone tricked practically the entire congress of the United States and the American people into supporting him. Not sure how that happens.

:laugh:

Good one!

I thought Bush was just a simpleton from Texas who couldn't tie his shoes?!

Yet he tricked everyone, including all of these "super intelligent" liberals!

:Q

Congratulation on your guy successfully lying to the Congress and getting an illegal war. What a great accomplishment you should be proud of, as you obviously are.
 

RyanPaulShaffer

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Faux Outrage! Where were you back in 2001 saying it was not connected? (How's that for turning around a lefty tactic back on them?)

The dumbest President who ever lived someone tricked practically the entire congress of the United States and the American people into supporting him. Not sure how that happens.

:laugh:

Good one!

I thought Bush was just a simpleton from Texas who couldn't tie his shoes?!

Yet he tricked everyone, including all of these "super intelligent" liberals!

:Q

Congratulation on your guy successfully lying to the Congress and getting an illegal war. What a great accomplishment you should be proud of, as you obviously are.

Liberals are hilarious. Except they are so sad. They rabidly accuse Bush of being an idiot and lying, yet they adamantly refuse to admit that they (of super human intelligence, of course) were "tricked" by a guy they constantly derided for being a moron!

The irony is delicious.

:laugh:

And of course, as craig so clearly demonstrated, instead of dealing with the issue at hand, they spin and dance and launch attacks to feint attention away from the question posed to them.

How could all these super smart liberals be fooled by some simple cowhand from Texas?

:confused:
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Faux Outrage! Where were you back in 2001 saying it was not connected? (How's that for turning around a lefty tactic back on them?)

The dumbest President who ever lived someone tricked practically the entire congress of the United States and the American people into supporting him. Not sure how that happens.

:laugh:

Good one!

I thought Bush was just a simpleton from Texas who couldn't tie his shoes?!

Yet he tricked everyone, including all of these "super intelligent" liberals!

:Q

Congratulation on your guy successfully lying to the Congress and getting an illegal war. What a great accomplishment you should be proud of, as you obviously are.

Liberals are hilarious. Except they are so sad. They rabidly accuse Bush of being an idiot and lying, yet they adamantly refuse to admit that they (of super human intelligence, of course) were "tricked" by a guy they constantly derided for being a moron!

The irony is delicious.

:laugh:

And of course, as craig so clearly demonstrated, instead of dealing with the issue at hand, they spin and dance and launch attacks to feint attention away from the question posed to them.

How could all these super smart liberals be fooled by some simple cowhand from Texas?

:confused:

Congratulation on your guy successfully lying to the Congress and getting an illegal war. What a great accomplishment you should be proud of, as you obviously are.
 

Red Irish

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Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Faux Outrage! Where were you back in 2001 saying it was not connected? (How's that for turning around a lefty tactic back on them?)

The dumbest President who ever lived someone tricked practically the entire congress of the United States and the American people into supporting him. Not sure how that happens.

:laugh:

Good one!

I thought Bush was just a simpleton from Texas who couldn't tie his shoes?!

Yet he tricked everyone, including all of these "super intelligent" liberals!

:Q

Congratulation on your guy successfully lying to the Congress and getting an illegal war. What a great accomplishment you should be proud of, as you obviously are.

Liberals are hilarious. Except they are so sad. They rabidly accuse Bush of being an idiot and lying, yet they adamantly refuse to admit that they (of super human intelligence, of course) were "tricked" by a guy they constantly derided for being a moron!

The irony is delicious.

:laugh:

And of course, as craig so clearly demonstrated, instead of dealing with the issue at hand, they spin and dance and launch attacks to feint attention away from the question posed to them.

How could all these super smart liberals be fooled by some simple cowhand from Texas?

:confused:

Voting count in Florida.
 

Genx87

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The administration never once said there was a link between saddam and 9-11. That link was made by people who wanted to believe that is what they said.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Genx87
The administration never once said there was a link between saddam and 9-11. That link was made by people who wanted to believe that is what they said.

The administration (Al Queda and Iraq) had a (Al Queda and Iraq) massive (Al Queda and Iraq) propaganda campaign (Al Quda and Iraq) to imply (Al Queda and Iraq) the link.

It worked on half the country for the critical time period needed to get the war.

Given your history of ignoring pretty much every post that factually proves you wrong, I won't bother to get the many quotes from the administration contradicting your claim.
 

NeoV

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"The administration never once said there was a link between saddam and 9-11. That link was made by people who wanted to believe that is what they said."

Come on GenX - you know this isn't true - Cheney has connected them quite a few times. Here is just one of them, from a conversation Cheney had with Tim Russert:

After telling a national radio audience last week that there was no connection between the World Trade Center attacks and Saddam Hussein, "Meet the Press" host Tim Russert got an earful on Sunday from Vice President Dick Cheney, who outlined a mountain of evidence tying Iraq to the 9/11 catastrophe.

Recalling that he had told Russert two years ago that he knew of no Iraqi link to the attack, Cheney said Sunday, "Subsequent to that, we've learned a couple of things."

The Vice President contended that more recent evidence indicates "that there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the '90s, that it involved training, for example."

Though he did not specifically mention the South Baghdad terrorist training camp Salman Pak, where radical Islamists rehearsed 9/11-style hijackings on a Soviet-era Tupelov 154 airliner, Cheney noted that "al-Qaeda sent personnel to Baghdad to get trained on the systems that are involved."

Cheney also cited reports of a meeting between lead 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta and an Iraqi in intelligence agent in Prague just months before the attacks, saying that U.S. intelligence has not yet been able confirm or discredit the information.

In perhaps his most startling remarks, the vice president became the first White House official to argue that there was a link between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda's attempt to destroy the World Trade Center in 1993, telling Russert:

"We know, for example, in connection with the original World Trade Center bombing in '93 that one of the bombers was Iraqi, returned to Iraq after the attack of '93. And we've learned subsequent to that, since we went into Baghdad and got into the intelligence files, that this individual probably also received financing from the Iraqi government as well as safe haven."

The vice president might have also mentioned that Ramzi Yousef, who masterminded the 1993 attack and whose laptop computer contained plans to crash U.S. airliners into the World Trade Center and Pentagon, entered the U.S. with an Iraqi passport.

After his capture in 1995, the FBI flew Yousef over the World Trade Center and reminded him that his plan to destroy the Twin Towers had not succeeded. His reported response - "Not yet."

Last Wednesday Russert insisted to radio host Don Imus, "No one will say there was a direct involvement of Saddam Hussein in Sept. 11. ... There's no direct link that can be substantiated." The full exchange between Russert and Vice President Cheney on the evidence tying Iraq to 9/11 went like this:

RUSSERT: The Washington Post asked the American people about Saddam Hussein, and this is what they said: 69 percent said he was involved in the September 11 attacks. Are you surprised by that?

CHENEY: No. I think it's not surprising that people make that connection.

RUSSERT: But is there a connection?

CHENEY: We don't know. You and I talked about this two years ago. I can remember you asking me this question just a few days after the original attack. At the time I said no, we didn't have any evidence of that. Subsequent to that, we've learned a couple of things. We learned more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the '90s, that it involved training, for example, on BW and CW, that al-Qaeda sent personnel to Baghdad to get trained on the systems that are involved. The Iraqis providing bomb-making expertise and advice to the al-Qaeda organization.

We know, for example, in connection with the original World Trade Center bombing in '93 that one of the bombers was Iraqi, returned to Iraq after the attack of '93. And we've learned subsequent to that, since we went into Baghdad and got into the intelligence files, that this individual probably also received financing from the Iraqi government as well as safe haven.

Now, is there a connection between the Iraqi government and the original World Trade Center bombing in '93? We know, as I say, that one of the perpetrators of that act did, in fact, receive support from the Iraqi government after the fact. With respect to 9/11, of course, we've had the story that's been public out there. The Czechs alleged that Mohamed Atta, the lead attacker, met in Prague with a senior Iraqi intelligence official five months before the attack, but we've never been able to develop anymore of that yet either in terms of confirming it or discrediting it. We just don't know. [End of Excerpt]

So, does this count as 'never once said'? /thread
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

How could all these super smart liberals be fooled by some simple cowhand from Texas?

:confused:
The Dub was just the brainless mouthpiece for some very intelligent and deceitful individuals like Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rummy.
 

Red Irish

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

How could all these super smart liberals be fooled by some simple cowhand from Texas?

:confused:
The Dub was just the brainless mouthpiece for some very intelligent and deceitful individuals like Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rummy.

:thumbsup:
 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Faux Outrage! Where were you back in 2001 saying it was not connected? (How's that for turning around a lefty tactic back on them?)

The dumbest President who ever lived someone tricked practically the entire congress of the United States and the American people into supporting him. Not sure how that happens.

Back in 2001, I did say Iraq did not have anything to do with the Sept 2001 attacks on the US.

I agree with you. It is disturbing how easy it is to get the country behind attacking another country no matter how weak the justification is.

What does "Faux Outrage" have to do with the OP?
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: Juddog
People knew back when the war was starting that there wasn't any link, but George Dubya couldn't be stopped and if you spoke against him you were considered unpatriotic.
No, plenty of people thought there was a link. I remember seeing a bomb used in the war and some grunt had painted stuff on it like "this is for 911".
The administration (Al Queda and Iraq) had a (Al Queda and Iraq) massive (Al Queda and Iraq) propaganda campaign (Al Quda and Iraq) to imply (Al Queda and Iraq) the link.
Of course they did.

 
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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Faux Outrage! Where were you back in 2001 saying it was not connected? (How's that for turning around a lefty tactic back on them?)

The dumbest President who ever lived someone tricked practically the entire congress of the United States and the American people into supporting him. Not sure how that happens.

:laugh:

Good one!

I thought Bush was just a simpleton from Texas who couldn't tie his shoes?!

Yet he tricked everyone, including all of these "super intelligent" liberals!

:Q

Congratulation on your guy successfully lying to the Congress and getting an illegal war. What a great accomplishment you should be proud of, as you obviously are.

Liberals are hilarious. Except they are so sad. They rabidly accuse Bush of being an idiot and lying, yet they adamantly refuse to admit that they (of super human intelligence, of course) were "tricked" by a guy they constantly derided for being a moron!

The irony is delicious.

:laugh:

And of course, as craig so clearly demonstrated, instead of dealing with the issue at hand, they spin and dance and launch attacks to feint attention away from the question posed to them.

How could all these super smart liberals be fooled by some simple cowhand from Texas?

:confused:

Congratulation on your guy successfully lying to the Congress and getting an illegal war. What a great accomplishment you should be proud of, as you obviously are.

Don't blame Bush, he just presented a case, truthful or not. Congress is the one that declares war thus Congress needs to be the one that checks the info given to them, thus Congress is the party that should be held liable for the "illegal war"

 
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Originally posted by: Red Irish
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

How could all these super smart liberals be fooled by some simple cowhand from Texas?

:confused:
The Dub was just the brainless mouthpiece for some very intelligent and deceitful individuals like Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rummy.

:thumbsup:

So who's the intelligent deceitful individuals that are feeding Obama his lines on his teleprompter?
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Don't blame Bush, he just presented a case, truthful or not. Congress is the one that declares war thus Congress needs to be the one that checks the info given to them, thus Congress is the party that should be held liable for the "illegal war"

I blame Bush for lying and scheming to go to war. Congress did not declare war, they approved Bush's request for the leverage Bush said he needed to pressure Saddam into cooperating with the return of UN WMD inspectors, and Bush promised not to use the leverage to go to war if the inspectors got back in. He lied, and started the war while the inspections were in progress. It was entirely Bush's decision to start the war using the resources he'd obtained by his lies promising not to start a war with them under the circumstances.

Congress does have some blame for believiing Bush at all, but that blame goes directly through them to the majority of the American people who would have punished Congress in the 2002 elections for not believing Bush had they turned down his request - Congress had little choice but to do what they did, or to vote no, and get replaced two weeks later by Republicans who would give Bush what he wanted anyway.
 

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Faux Outrage! Where were you back in 2001 saying it was not connected? (How's that for turning around a lefty tactic back on them?)

The dumbest President who ever lived someone tricked practically the entire congress of the United States and the American people into supporting him. Not sure how that happens.

:laugh:

Good one!

I thought Bush was just a simpleton from Texas who couldn't tie his shoes?!

Yet he tricked everyone, including all of these "super intelligent" liberals!

:Q

Congratulation on your guy successfully lying to the Congress and getting an illegal war. What a great accomplishment you should be proud of, as you obviously are.

Liberals are hilarious. Except they are so sad. They rabidly accuse Bush of being an idiot and lying, yet they adamantly refuse to admit that they (of super human intelligence, of course) were "tricked" by a guy they constantly derided for being a moron!

The irony is delicious.

:laugh:

And of course, as craig so clearly demonstrated, instead of dealing with the issue at hand, they spin and dance and launch attacks to feint attention away from the question posed to them.

How could all these super smart liberals be fooled by some simple cowhand from Texas?

:confused:

Congratulation on your guy successfully lying to the Congress and getting an illegal war. What a great accomplishment you should be proud of, as you obviously are.

Don't blame Bush, he just presented a case, truthful or not. Congress is the one that declares war thus Congress needs to be the one that checks the info given to them, thus Congress is the party that should be held liable for the "illegal war"

Don't blame Bush for lying, because being a Republican he has no concept of the truth anyway.
 

HomerJS

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Originally posted by: Genx87
The administration never once said there was a link between saddam and 9-11. That link was made by people who wanted to believe that is what they said.

I beg to differ

You care to revise your post??????

 

Fern

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Originally posted by: ebaycj
Straight from the horse's mouth....

I found this interesting, because at the time (and even to this day), so many people believed that we were justified starting a war in Iraq, because of Saddam's supposed links to terrorists / Al Qaeda. What a load of crap.

I don't recall that being (one of the many) the reason(s) for the Iraqi war?

Numerous violations of the cease fire/treaty from from Gulf War #1, ties to terrorists (confirmed - althought not tied to 911, but the likes Abi Nidal etc), money to suicide bombers in Israel etc., fear of WMD etc.

Were you of age back then?

Fern