Stop teaching cursive writing in schools ?

Modelworks

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I really think this is a bad idea. Yes technology is everywhere, but that doesn't mean we should stop teaching the basics. What next, remove math because we have calculators ?

I guess written work from this century will not be around for future people to read unless they have a usb port and the flash drive.

I guess the next generation will sign everything with a X

http://www.findingdulcinea.com...rsive-Handwriting.html


Teachers maintain that the unending demands of modern education make it nearly impossible to fit cursive handwriting into the curriculum. Technology?s ever increasing presence requires that educators devote more time to teaching media literacy. Add to that the demands of No Child Left Behind, and there?s little time left for the beautiful, yet impractical ancient handwriting tradition.

Diane Desmond, a fourth grade teacher in Massachusetts, told The Boston Globe that the importance of test scores has led to a noticeable decline in students learning cursive. ?Cursive was always taught in the third grade,? she said. ?In the last four or five years, I've had more students who have trouble with it. ? They have trouble reading it, too.?

The issue has some teachers and experts concerned. Susan Reimer of The Baltimore Sun writes, ?There are real scholars on this subject who worry that the next generation will not be able to read the Declaration of Independence because it is written in something that looks like hieroglyphics to them.?

Furthermore, according to Reimer, cursive is still taught in Maryland elementary schools, but ?testing required by No Child Left Behind and new state standards? leave little time for it. ?Teachers are more likely to spend time on keyboarding skills, and they believe their students write more and write better when they type,? she reports.

The Globe reports that a 2007 Vanderbilt University survey found that though most U.S. elementary schools do teach script, only 12 percent of teachers were adequately trained to teach it.

Many see cursive's decline as part of a shift developing in teaching methods, and in the way educators relate to students. With the variety and complexity of demands facing teachers and students today, skills like cursive that are not considered marketable or progressive can easily be forgotten.

According to BusinessWeek, memorization is also not as applicable to students ?now that a Google search delivers vast storehouses of information in seconds.? Research and analysis skills are more important, and educators may need to allow even more technology?mobile devices, for instance?to infiltrate the classroom ?to further the educational mission of the school.?
 

Taejin

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wtf? students should be learning to type on their own.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
cursive was only a few weeks! easy.

Bullshit, I spent a long time on "handwriting" and cursive is fucking pointless.
 

AstroManLuca

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Cursive is stupid.

Furthermore, I think teaching it makes people's handwriting worse. Face it, most people have sloppy handwriting, and sloppy print is a lot easier to read than sloppy cursive. I can only read about 50% of sloppy cursive but nearly 100% of sloppy print. And most written forms say "PLEASE PRINT" for a reason.

Keyboarding is more important.
 

FleshLight

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Cursive is used extensively in the engineering field. Our entire senior project (design a water reservoir) has to be written in cursive.
 

blinky8225

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I don't see what the big deal is. I learned it in third grade and have never had to use it. I can read it still, but only because one out ten professors still writes in cursive. I expect that soon no one will write in cursive. I don't know anyone under 30 that does. The argument about the Declaration of Independence doesn't really apply since it's online anyway.
 

ric1287

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
cursive was only a few weeks! easy.

Bullshit, I spent a long time on "handwriting" and cursive is fucking pointless.

yep, far too much time is spent on worthless shit like cursive, dinosaurs, clouds, etc. Focus the majority of time on math/science and throw in some english/grammar.

How many little kids can rattle off 10 different kinds of dinosaurs but can't multiply 3x12
 

BassBomb

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
cursive was only a few weeks! easy.

Bullshit, I spent a long time on "handwriting" and cursive is fucking pointless.

Cursive is faster.. I find I can't write cursive neatly though so I don't understand my own writing and have to print. I find printing more time consuming but neater
 

AstroManLuca

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Originally posted by: blinky8225
The argument about the Declaration of Independence doesn't really apply since it's online anyway.

And I challenge anyone, even a cursive expert, to actually be able to read the original copy. It's practically illegible, cursive training or no.

OP: technology marches on. Deal with it. There's a reason they don't teach math students how to use slide rules.
 

bignateyk

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I haven't written in cursive since elementary school. It may or may not be faster, but it is pretty much dead. Might as well do something useful with the time that would be spent teaching it.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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?Cursive was always taught in the third grade,? said Diane Desmond.

Say what? I was taught cursive at the same time as printed lettering starting in kindergarten. By first grade, I was already writing and printing, "I will not ..." five hundred times. I went to public schools in Minneapolis.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: BassBomb
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
cursive was only a few weeks! easy.

Bullshit, I spent a long time on "handwriting" and cursive is fucking pointless.

Cursive is faster.. I find I can't write cursive neatly though so I don't understand my own writing and have to print. I find printing more time consuming but neater

Faster than typing? No...
 

jlee

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
cursive was only a few weeks! easy.

Bullshit, I spent a long time on "handwriting" and cursive is fucking pointless.

qft.

The worst thing about cursive is everybody else's illegible writing. Teach them how to print. :p
 

SnipeMasterJ13

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I'm one of the few that does a majority of writing in cursive. It's a hybrid of cursive/print, depending on the letters. For example, I always print Q instead of cursive, but the rest of the word will be cursive. I can write a lot faster doing 95% cursive, and I'm the only one that can decode the chicken scratch that my handwriting is anyway (printing included).
 

polarmystery

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Originally posted by: FleshLight
Cursive is used extensively in the engineering field. Our entire senior project (design a water reservoir) has to be written in cursive.

*looks around cubicle*

Nope, no cursive anywhere.
 

Modelworks

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I'm curious how you will sign a legal document , print your name ?
How will you leave a note to someone , write in print the whole thing ? It is fine to say use a keyboard, but keyboards are not everywhere.
 

ric1287

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Originally posted by: BassBomb
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
cursive was only a few weeks! easy.

Bullshit, I spent a long time on "handwriting" and cursive is fucking pointless.

Cursive is faster.. I find I can't write cursive neatly though so I don't understand my own writing and have to print. I find printing more time consuming but neater

its faster but you can't actually read it or do anything with it....? Pointless, no?
 

AstroManLuca

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Originally posted by: polarmystery
Originally posted by: FleshLight
Cursive is used extensively in the engineering field. Our entire senior project (design a water reservoir) has to be written in cursive.

*looks around cubicle*

Nope, no cursive anywhere.

Yeah, chalk that one up to having an old Nazi for a professor.

Originally posted by: SnipeMasterJ13
I'm one of the few that does a majority of writing in cursive. It's a hybrid of cursive/print, depending on the letters. For example, I always print Q instead of cursive, but the rest of the word will be cursive. I can write a lot faster doing 95% cursive, and I'm the only one that can decode the chicken scratch that my handwriting is anyway (printing included).

I'm similar but with me it's more like 80-90% printing. It's just that my letters often run together and sometimes I'll use a few cursive-like techniques to make it faster. But it's still mostly printing.
 

Modelworks

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Originally posted by: ric1287
Originally posted by: BassBomb
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
cursive was only a few weeks! easy.

Bullshit, I spent a long time on "handwriting" and cursive is fucking pointless.

Cursive is faster.. I find I can't write cursive neatly though so I don't understand my own writing and have to print. I find printing more time consuming but neater

its faster but you can't actually read it or do anything with it....? Pointless, no?

Then maybe the problem is that people should be taught to write better.
 

bignateyk

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Originally posted by: FleshLight
Cursive is used extensively in the engineering field. Our entire senior project (design a water reservoir) has to be written in cursive.

Wat?

I went through 6 years of engineering higher education, and have been an engineer for 3 years, and not once have I seen, or have been required to do anything in cursive.
 

Zenmervolt

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Originally posted by: blinky8225
I don't see what the big deal is. I learned it in third grade and have never had to use it. I can read it still, but only because one out ten professors still writes in cursive. I expect that soon no one will write in cursive. I don't know anyone under 30 that does. The argument about the Declaration of Independence doesn't really apply since it's online anyway.

/me raises hand.

ZV
 

RapidSnail

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Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Originally posted by: blinky8225
The argument about the Declaration of Independence doesn't really apply since it's online anyway.

And I challenge anyone, even a cursive expert, to actually be able to read the original copy. It's practically illegible, cursive training or no.

OP: technology marches on. Deal with it. There's a reason they don't teach math students how to use slide rules.

You can't read this?