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thujone

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of course we need to get rid of SOPA/PIPA but moreso than that... we need to overhaul our copyright laws. right now it's essentially an arms race to see who can own the most patents... either as a weapon to sue others or as a defense to keep others from suing your company.


It used to be that copyrights made it safe to share and innovate. Now they're almost exclusively used to stifle innovation and competition.


I'm not saying we need to completely do away with them, but something definitely needs to change.
 
blackangst1

blackangst1

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thujone said:
of course we need to get rid of SOPA/PIPA but moreso than that... we need to overhaul our copyright laws. right now it's essentially an arms race to see who can own the most patents... either as a weapon to sue others or as a defense to keep others from suing your company.


It used to be that copyrights made it safe to share and innovate. Now they're almost exclusively used to stifle innovation and competition.


I'm not saying we need to completely do away with them, but something definitely needs to change.
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Why not start a new thread about it since its unrelated to SOPA?
 
BoberFett

BoberFett

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blankslate said:
As Boberfett said Disney's copyright on Mickey and Co. should've ended a long while ago.

I do feel that they should continue for a reasonable (50?) number of years after the death of the creator so that if a person gets lucky their creation can provide some support for any offspring.
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Wrong. My children don't get paid for my work after I'm dead. If content creators want their children to have a safety net, get a life insurance policy like the rest of us.

Copyright is not intended to provide an neverending income stream. It's intended to incentivize people to create new works. How does eternal copyright convince people who are long dead to keep writing books or making music? Copyright should be a reasonable number of years and have nothing to do with anybody's death. If you can't make money off of your song or book in 20 or 30 years, find a new line of work.
 
BoberFett

BoberFett

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woolfe9999 said:
Actually copyright violations can be a crime. I think the criminal copyright statute was passed in the 1970's, but I can't give you the exact year because wiki is down today. :)
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Commercial copyright violations, sure. Mass duplication of media, that sort of thing. But the copyright cartel goes far beyond that, attempting to criminalize file sharing and foist the costs of doing business onto the taxpayer and even other businesses, with such things as complying with DMCA takedown requests.
 
Arkaign

Arkaign

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BoberFett said:
Wrong. My children don't get paid for my work after I'm dead. If content creators want their children to have a safety net, get a life insurance policy like the rest of us.

Copyright is not intended to provide an neverending income stream. It's intended to incentivize people to create new works. How does eternal copyright convince people who are long dead to keep writing books or making music? Copyright should be a reasonable number of years and have nothing to do with anybody's death. If you can't make money off of your song or book in 20 or 30 years, find a new line of work.
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Hah this makes me think of the books that pop up from dead authors constantly. Recently went to the bookstore, and saw a big pile of hardbacks that said Bourne something or other, with huge type 200 font ROBERT LUDLUM. I was like okaaaay .. read fine print inside label, written by so and so under the Robert Ludlum brand. Kind of misleading, and very common.
 
Arkaign

Arkaign

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BoberFett said:
Commercial copyright violations, sure. Mass duplication of media, that sort of thing. But the copyright cartel goes far beyond that, attempting to criminalize file sharing and foist the costs of doing business onto the taxpayer and even other businesses, with such things as complying with DMCA takedown requests.
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Yeap, and breaking open the door for corporations to have easier precedents to use to stifle free speech online is just moving us closer to China's interpretations of how the Internet should be used.

A wise saying is that government and regulatory apparatus should be designed so that if the worst people on earth were in power, they could do as little damage as possible.
 
BoberFett

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BoberFett

BoberFett

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Arkaign said:
A wise saying is that government and regulatory apparatus should be designed so that if the worst people on earth were in power, they could do as little damage as possible.
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You would think voters on both sides would have come to this conclusion by now, but they all seem intent on expanding government power anyway. Republicans are howling about Obama abusing the policies of Bush, Democrats howled about Bush using policies put in place by Clinton, and on and on.
 
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alent1234

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BoberFett said:
Wrong. My children don't get paid for my work after I'm dead. If content creators want their children to have a safety net, get a life insurance policy like the rest of us.

Copyright is not intended to provide an neverending income stream. It's intended to incentivize people to create new works. How does eternal copyright convince people who are long dead to keep writing books or making music? Copyright should be a reasonable number of years and have nothing to do with anybody's death. If you can't make money off of your song or book in 20 or 30 years, find a new line of work.
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so its impossible to create new fiction if the old fiction has unlimited copyright?
 
BoberFett

BoberFett

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alent1234 said:
so its impossible to create new fiction if the old fiction has unlimited copyright?
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When musicians can be and have been sued for using the same note progressions as old songs, yes, eventually all thought will be owned and nothing will be free to use.
 
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alent1234

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did Cream ever sue Wolfmother? you have to do a little more than same note progressions to get sued
 
Hayabusa Rider

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Ausm said:
:thumbsup::thumbsup:
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alent1234 said:
did Cream ever sue Wolfmother? you have to do a little more than same note progressions to get sued
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It takes less than that to bring legal action against people. What would be the cost of defending against trivial or even nonsense charges brought against you by the media industry? That they cannot win is irrelevant. They have the power to ruin you if given the opportunity.
 
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woolfe9999

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It takes less than that to bring legal action against people. What would be the cost of defending against trivial or even nonsense charges brought against you by the media industry? That they cannot win is irrelevant. They have the power to ruin you if given the opportunity.
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Except that it doesn't necessarily happen all that often, since IIRC the prevailing party can recover its attorneys fees (and litigation costs) from the losing party, and especially frivolous claims are subject to monetary sanctions under Rule 11.
 
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Scooby Doo

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woolfe9999 said:
Except that it doesn't necessarily happen all that often, since IIRC the prevailing party can recover its attorneys fees (and litigation costs) from the losing party, and especially frivolous claims are subject to monetary sanctions under Rule 11.
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Well that worked very well for Aureal :(
 
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the DRIZZLE

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BoberFett said:
Really? Craigslist is ridiculous? No, what's ridiculous is the fact that companies like Monster Cable think that Craigslist should be shut down because people using CL to sell their second hand cables is cutting into their profits.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...craigslist-costco-sears-are-rogue-sites.shtml

That's the kind of lunacy that laws SOPA would allow.
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I read that page the other day it seems like a big stretch. Monster has a list of sites that are not authorized retailers but that doesn't mean they would necessarily take any action under SOPA. Even if they did they would still need a judge to sing off on it. That site is exactly the kind of FUD that I'm taking about.

Monster is a shitty litigious company and I oppose SOPA but I think it's incredibly unlikely that Monster would be successful in getting CL taken down under SOPA.

This is just another example of how we can't have a rational debate about anything in this country anymore. But I do agree with many of your other points about the problems with the copyright system.
 
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Joseph F

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wahdangun said:
its still not dead, wtf america are you really don't care about liberty anymore ?

I will laugh hard if you are turned into china 2.0

thank God I don't live in your fucked country.
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Says the dude from Indonesia... LAWL
 
StrangerGuy

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Any US politician that was in favor of SOPA should be suspended immediately and tried for treason.
 
blankslate

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BoberFett said:
Wrong. My children don't get paid for my work after I'm dead. If content creators want their children to have a safety net, get a life insurance policy like the rest of us.

Copyright is not intended to provide an neverending income stream. It's intended to incentivize people to create new works. How does eternal copyright convince people who are long dead to keep writing books or making music? Copyright should be a reasonable number of years and have nothing to do with anybody's death. If you can't make money off of your song or book in 20 or 30 years, find a new line of work.
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Sorry incorrect. If you build something tangible of immense value you can give that to your children after your demise with ease. If your creation is an idea or a character and you die you cannot give that idea to your children unless copyrights exist for a number of years after the creator's death.
 
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wahdangun

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blackangst1 said:
lol this coming from someone in Indonesia? Please. You couldnt possibly be ignorant to your country's censorship of movies, books, and media, could you? And Lord help you if youre caught writing inflammatory things about your government online. Your penal code specifically says you could face 6 years in jail for doing so. Your president passed legislation that requires any films being produced in country scripts must be given to commitee for approval.

Ive been to Indo a few times. It is certainly no pillar of freedom for its people.
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what don't joking with me, I can write bad thing about my president/government freely without any problem what so ever. there are even some editorial in newspaper that critics our government and bashing our president (by calling it a weak sauce president).

about the film for commercial release yes, your film need approval and yes its retarded legislation.

maybe you are mistaken us for malaysia, that country really is like china in south east asia
 
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