Stop sharing files!!

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: yobarman
whats your title have to do with your post?

and no it's never going to stop.

the RIAA should get off everyone's case.

Thanks metallica for f*cking it up for everyone

you stole their music, they get mad, and you get upset with them?


wtf, i'm gonna steall all your stuff and then we'll see how much you complain about it.

Jeez what an ignorant uninformed post. I personally can not stand Metallica and rarely ever listened to their music. I did like Enter the Sandman and One (which I can't remember but I believe that they were on different cds) I did purchase both CDs as well. But after Metallica started on their whining crusade, I vowed never to purchase anything Metallica related. Same with my friends and family. Basically, Metallica really shot themselves in the foot. And without mp3s, I would never have been introduced to new different types of music. Never heard of ATB till I got their "Till I come" mp3. Result? I purchased the cd so I could hear their other music.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Originally posted by: CChaos
Perhaps more bands need to start following in the footsteps of the Dead, Phish, and various other jambands out there that encourage people taping their shows and sharing the music. Albums are an afterthought and the musicians are busy making music.

Not only that, but the musicians are making money and enjoying being musicians too. They make more off the tours than they do off the albums. It's primarily the singers/bands that are too lazy or aren't any good under the studio's thumb that whine and cry.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: jkthomas79
Me and my roommate and I were having a late night discussion about pron, mp3s, and intellectual property. We ended up arguing about whether it would ever be theoretically possible to prevent people from sharing files without some heavy invasion of privacy or economic regulation.

Just how many people are in that we?

 

[GermyBoy]

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: yobarman whats your title have to do with your post? and no it's never going to stop. the RIAA should get off everyone's case. Thanks metallica for f*cking it up for everyone

you stole their music, they get mad, and you get upset with them? wtf, i'm gonna steall all your stuff and then we'll see how much you complain about it.

But stealing is:

1. 
   <LI>To take (the property of another) without right or permission.
   <LI>To get or effect surreptitiously or artfully: <CITE>steal a kiss; stole the ball from an opponent.</CITE>
   <LI>To move, carry, or place surreptitiously.
   <LI>To draw attention unexpectedly in (an entertainment), especially by being the outstanding performer: <CITE>The magician's assistant stole the show with her comic antics.</CITE>
   <LI><U><I>Baseball.</I></U> To advance safely to (another base) during the delivery of a pitch, without the aid of a base hit, walk, passed ball, or wild pitch.

Nowhere does it mention, copying something bit for bit, and not buying it. Unless I take a CD from them, which they spent money on, I don't think it's stealing. I wouldn't buy it otherwise.

 

[nmcglennon]

I don't use CDs anymore, so where else would I get my music for my minidiscs if there were no mp3s? CDs are becoming more obsolete.

 

[isasir]

Just curious - how popular was Napster BEFORE musicians started complaining about it? I consider myself a pretty tech savvy person, who heard of Napster for awhile. However, only after hearing the artists bitch about it did I even bother downloading it to see what the big deal was. Considering my situation, I'd think a huge amount of casual computer users probably did the same thing with the free publicity Napster got.

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: yobarman
whats your title have to do with your post?

and no it's never going to stop.

the RIAA should get off everyone's case.

Thanks metallica for f*cking it up for everyone

i hate metallica
they have some good music
but i hate those dumbasses!

 

[Mr N8]

Originally posted by: gopunk
the only way to completely stop file sharing is to unplug the internet.

otherwise, you have to have some scheme to identify what files are to be shared and what aren't.

Where is that plug? I want to see what happens to everyone who sits on AT all day, when it gets pulled!

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: yobarman
whats your title have to do with your post?

and no it's never going to stop.

the RIAA should get off everyone's case.

Thanks metallica for f*cking it up for everyone

you stole their music, they get mad, and you get upset with them?


wtf, i'm gonna steall all your stuff and then we'll see how much you complain about it.

I'm not justifying anything, but the definition of "stealing" doesn't really apply in the sense you mean it. "I'll gonna steal all your stuff"... it's not like people download a song and it's theirs forever. It's more like "I'm gonna share all of your stuff and let everyone use it"... no one's stealing physical property here, people are just grabbing their own copies of their stuff. They're just pissed because they're getting screwed out of money, they're getting millions and millions of dollars for what they're doing, and they want more. Are they right? Somewhat, yes. Their music shouldn't be illegally distributed, obviously, but they're still dicks.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: jkthomas79
But will microsoft be able to outsmart the hacker public? Would there be no way around it? And to clarify, I don't want people to ever stop sharing, as long as they share with me.

NO but they will make it so someone with a JOB does'nt want to make the effort anymore of finding some warez or crack site and 25 work-arounds to use/or download it. That's thier goal. The hackers and kids will always find a way to do it because they have lots of free time.

You underestimate how well thought out Palladium is. It will be integrated in ALL hardware (MB's, Hard Disks, etc.), it will be Integrated in the software and if the code isn't signed with the appropriate encryption key the Computer will refuse to decode the information. Being that all content, including what is contained in memory will be encrypted with high level encryption this system is believed to be unbreakable with current hardware. (Remember cracking encryption is a function of the powerfullness of the computer involved, think how long it took to break 64bit encryption and realize that Palladium will use 128 or 256bit).

The only way to crack the Palladium system would be to obtain a processor that reported itself as palladium compliant with the appropriate key and in fact wasn't. Seeing as how we all dont' have processor Fab's laying around this is going to present a small problem.

Palladium will end fair use. The music and movie industries will embrace it and release all future content as Palladium compliant. You will be able to disable Palladium but in doing so you will lock yourself out of all legitimate content you may own.

 

[Zebo]

Linux? BSD? A non-palladium chip? I donno but I always found if you can hear or see it there is a way to record it.

 

[freegeeks]

You underestimate how well thought out Palladium is. It will be integrated in ALL hardware (MB's, Hard Disks, etc.), it will be Integrated in the software and if the code isn't signed with the appropriate encryption key the Computer will refuse to decode the information. Being that all content, including what is contained in memory will be encrypted with high level encryption this system is believed to be unbreakable with current hardware. (Remember cracking encryption is a function of the powerfullness of the computer involved, think how long it took to break 64bit encryption and realize that Palladium will use 128 or 256bit).

The only way to crack the Palladium system would be to obtain a processor that reported itself as palladium compliant with the appropriate key and in fact wasn't. Seeing as how we all dont' have processor Fab's laying around this is going to present a small problem.

Palladium will end fair use. The music and movie industries will embrace it and release all future content as Palladium compliant. You will be able to disable Palladium but in doing so you will lock yourself out of all legitimate content you may own.

Linux, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, etc ... ????

 

[GermyBoy]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: jkthomas79 But will microsoft be able to outsmart the hacker public? Would there be no way around it? And to clarify, I don't want people to ever stop sharing, as long as they share with me.

NO but they will make it so someone with a JOB does'nt want to make the effort anymore of finding some warez or crack site and 25 work-arounds to use/or download it. That's thier goal. The hackers and kids will always find a way to do it because they have lots of free time.

You underestimate how well thought out Palladium is. It will be integrated in ALL hardware (MB's, Hard Disks, etc.), it will be Integrated in the software and if the code isn't signed with the appropriate encryption key the Computer will refuse to decode the information. Being that all content, including what is contained in memory will be encrypted with high level encryption this system is believed to be unbreakable with current hardware. (Remember cracking encryption is a function of the powerfullness of the computer involved, think how long it took to break 64bit encryption and realize that Palladium will use 128 or 256bit). The only way to crack the Palladium system would be to obtain a processor that reported itself as palladium compliant with the appropriate key and in fact wasn't. Seeing as how we all dont' have processor Fab's laying around this is going to present a small problem. Palladium will end fair use. The music and movie industries will embrace it and release all future content as Palladium compliant. You will be able to disable Palladium but in doing so you will lock yourself out of all legitimate content you may own.

a) This will never pass.
b) What will happen is everyone will integrate to apple, in case a) is wrong.
c) If you can't use an Intel/AMD chip to do anything you want, then nobody will buy new computers.
d) In case a) is wrong, AMD will not be compliant, I can almost guarantee this, and will then take over the chip world.
e) This is the worst idea over.
f) Anything that can be done, can be undone. Look at the XBOX and microsofts great sense of security there. XBOX2 will be the same way.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: GermyBoy

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: jkthomas79 But will microsoft be able to outsmart the hacker public? Would there be no way around it? And to clarify, I don't want people to ever stop sharing, as long as they share with me.

NO but they will make it so someone with a JOB does'nt want to make the effort anymore of finding some warez or crack site and 25 work-arounds to use/or download it. That's thier goal. The hackers and kids will always find a way to do it because they have lots of free time.

You underestimate how well thought out Palladium is. It will be integrated in ALL hardware (MB's, Hard Disks, etc.), it will be Integrated in the software and if the code isn't signed with the appropriate encryption key the Computer will refuse to decode the information. Being that all content, including what is contained in memory will be encrypted with high level encryption this system is believed to be unbreakable with current hardware. (Remember cracking encryption is a function of the powerfullness of the computer involved, think how long it took to break 64bit encryption and realize that Palladium will use 128 or 256bit). The only way to crack the Palladium system would be to obtain a processor that reported itself as palladium compliant with the appropriate key and in fact wasn't. Seeing as how we all dont' have processor Fab's laying around this is going to present a small problem. Palladium will end fair use. The music and movie industries will embrace it and release all future content as Palladium compliant. You will be able to disable Palladium but in doing so you will lock yourself out of all legitimate content you may own.

a) This will never pass.
b) What will happen is everyone will integrate to apple, in case a) is wrong.
c) If you can't use an Intel/AMD chip to do anything you want, then nobody will buy new computers.
d) In case a) is wrong, AMD will not be compliant, I can almost guarantee this, and will then take over the chip world.
e) This is the worst idea over.
f) Anything that can be done, can be undone. Look at the XBOX and microsofts great sense of security there. XBOX2 will be the same way.

a) it most likely will
b) apple will probably implement something similar, but less draconian. Linux might be the only alternative then.
c) rather unlikely, since the general public will not be very aware of this.
d) I don't have a link, but I am sure they announced (or hinted at) support for MS, just like Intel did with their La Grande
e) depends on where you look at it from. For MS this could be the best idea ever.
f) true, but the amount of work you'd need to put in, coupled with the DMCA might make it practically impossible.

I dunno, we'll have to wait and see how longhorn with palladium goes. I suspect MS will get their way and push some of us into Linux, while others will think that switching is too much of a hassle and will stay with MS.

 

[xirtam]

Personally, I think we should ban the radio, shut down libraries, close vehicle dealerships for the purpose of advocating mass transit systems, play the national anthem and display a flag on all major UHF/VHF channels, and limit Internet usage to one hour per week of tightly-regimented use supervised by an anal parole officer named Fred Durmheist.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

I'll never stop sharing Pheonix, Freesco, and Winamp!

 

[Ranger X]

Why do you care if people share files or not? It's a battle that has been going on forever. No matter how much they try and regulate this, people always find a way around it. Post a virus on Yahoo or MSN? You honestly think that'll solve the problem?

 

[NogginBoink]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
yes, i second this call to stop using a tool designed for the sole purpose of sharing information to share information! and while we're at it, people should stop driving their cars. after all, they make much better paper weights than transportation devices and people are always breaking the law in them. lastly, i continue this line of thought by suggesting that we stop using our bathtubs to get clean and stop using hammers and nails to make things.

Using the tool to share information to which one has redistribution rights is one thing.

Using the tool to share information otherwise is stealing.

Heck, let's put your company's payroll information in there and share your salary information. And your last performance review. While we're at it, let's use that tool to share your credit report, your medical history, and your bank records.

 

[BatmanNate]

Originally posted by: Ranger X
Why do you care if people share files or not? It's a battle that has been going on forever. No matter how much they try and regulate this, people always find a way around it. Post a virus on Yahoo or MSN? You honestly think that'll solve the problem?

Only for the stupid people who use Yahoo and MSN. Of course, those are probably the people who would have bought Limp Bizkit or whatever crap they're complaining about now to begin with, more power to them if MS and Y! have anything to gain from it (lol). The innovators of technology will always be one step ahead, and they cannot be stopped.

 

[Vic]

How important is the entertainment industry in our lives? How many millions should an artist make? A record producer? A basketball player? What necessary function do they serve in our society that they deserve our privacy? Think about it.

 

[NogginBoink]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: yobarman
whats your title have to do with your post?

and no it's never going to stop.

the RIAA should get off everyone's case.

Thanks metallica for f*cking it up for everyone

you stole their music, they get mad, and you get upset with them?


wtf, i'm gonna steall all your stuff and then we'll see how much you complain about it.

Jeez what an ignorant uninformed post. I personally can not stand Metallica and rarely ever listened to their music. I did like Enter the Sandman and One (which I can't remember but I believe that they were on different cds) I did purchase both CDs as well. But after Metallica started on their whining crusade, I vowed never to purchase anything Metallica related. Same with my friends and family. Basically, Metallica really shot themselves in the foot. And without mp3s, I would never have been introduced to new different types of music. Never heard of ATB till I got their "Till I come" mp3. Result? I purchased the cd so I could hear their other music.

Whether you like the music or not, it's stealing. There might be an argument to be made that filesharing increases/decreases sales, but that's beyond the scope of what is currently legal. Just because your friends and family think Metallica sucks and you purchased an ATB CD does not make someone else ignorant and uninformed. You're still participating in a crime.

 

[NogginBoink]

Originally posted by: jkthomas79

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Microsoft is working on something along the line of what you are thinking. Under their program hardware would be encoded to deny the user from downloading copyrighted material. Without this hardware their OS's and software would not function on the computer.
Neat, huh?

But will microsoft be able to outsmart the hacker public? Would there be no way around it? And to clarify, I don't want people to ever stop sharing, as long as they share with me.

The answer is yes. If Microsoft really wanted to, they could.

Read "Applied Cryptography." There are existing well-known cryptosystems that have no known method of attack short of a brute force attack against the entire keyspace.

 

[gordy]

only when a blank cd/dvd costs as much as an original....

would be nice imagine all the freed up bandwidth!

blame the ISP's tiering broadband on napster and the likes as well...

 

[cvstrat]

I have nearly 100GB of illegal goat pr0n.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: NogginBoink

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: yobarman
whats your title have to do with your post?

and no it's never going to stop.

the RIAA should get off everyone's case.

Thanks metallica for f*cking it up for everyone

you stole their music, they get mad, and you get upset with them?


wtf, i'm gonna steall all your stuff and then we'll see how much you complain about it.

Jeez what an ignorant uninformed post. I personally can not stand Metallica and rarely ever listened to their music. I did like Enter the Sandman and One (which I can't remember but I believe that they were on different cds) I did purchase both CDs as well. But after Metallica started on their whining crusade, I vowed never to purchase anything Metallica related. Same with my friends and family. Basically, Metallica really shot themselves in the foot. And without mp3s, I would never have been introduced to new different types of music. Never heard of ATB till I got their "Till I come" mp3. Result? I purchased the cd so I could hear their other music.

Whether you like the music or not, it's stealing. There might be an argument to be made that filesharing increases/decreases sales, but that's beyond the scope of what is currently legal. Just because your friends and family think Metallica sucks and you purchased an ATB CD does not make someone else ignorant and uninformed. You're still participating in a crime.

You didn't bother reading any of the other replies, did you.