Stop sharing files!!

[jkthomas79]

Me and my roommate and I were having a late night discussion about pron, mp3s, and intellectual property. We ended up arguing about whether it would ever be theoretically possible to prevent people from sharing files without some heavy invasion of privacy or economic regulation. Neither of us knows much about how the structure of the way information is transmitted on the web, so we couldn't go far in our discussion. Other than going into everyone's computer and deleting their copyrighted material (maybe from a virus posted to several legitimate websites, like yahoo.com and msn.com) or re-structuring the infrastructure of the internet to prevent any future sharing, I don't know how it could be done. I don't even know if these options are available. Does anybody have any answers or ideas?

 

[Zim Hosein]

Welcome to AT jkthomas79

 

[yobarman]

whats your title have to do with your post?

and no it's never going to stop.

the RIAA should get off everyone's case.

Thanks metallica for f*cking it up for everyone

 

[Ameesh]

Thats why software companies are making standards now that are copyright sensitive, the problem is that in many cases they conflict with fair use.

 

[gopunk]

the only way to completely stop file sharing is to unplug the internet.

otherwise, you have to have some scheme to identify what files are to be shared and what aren't.

 

[Tetsuo]

Originally posted by: yobarman
whats your title have to do with your post? and no it's never going to stop. the RIAA should get off everyone's case. Thanks metallica for f*cking it up for everyone

^

 

[jkthomas79]

Thanks Zim. And nothing yobarman, I just thought it would get people to read my post.

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: yobarman
whats your title have to do with your post?

and no it's never going to stop.

the RIAA should get off everyone's case.

Thanks metallica for f*cking it up for everyone

you stole their music, they get mad, and you get upset with them?


wtf, i'm gonna steall all your stuff and then we'll see how much you complain about it.

 

[HappyPuppy]

Microsoft is working on something along the line of what you are thinking. Under their program hardware would be encoded to deny the user from downloading copyrighted material. Without this hardware their OS's and software would not function on the computer.

Neat, huh?

 

[Zebo]

You did'nt have to change your title, it's stealing

Been happening since I was in HS with swapping tapes (before the internet) and will be happening when my kids are stealing it. Can't be stopped.

 

[Ronstang]

You will have about as much luck getting people to stop filesharing as you will getting them to stop masturbating, especially the little geeks around here.

 

[yobarman]

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: yobarman
whats your title have to do with your post?

and no it's never going to stop.

the RIAA should get off everyone's case.

Thanks metallica for f*cking it up for everyone

you stole their music, they get mad, and you get upset with them?


wtf, i'm gonna steall all your stuff and then we'll see how much you complain about it.

I didn't steal their music cause they SUCK!

And my CD purchases have only increased since Mp3s because i've been exposed to a lot of music i would have never heard of on mainstream radio.

 

[jkthomas79]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Microsoft is working on something along the line of what you are thinking. Under their program hardware would be encoded to deny the user from downloading copyrighted material. Without this hardware their OS's and software would not function on the computer.
Neat, huh?

But will microsoft be able to outsmart the hacker public? Would there be no way around it? And to clarify, I don't want people to ever stop sharing, as long as they share with me.

 

[udonoogen]

viruses are intrusive. to some extent ... people should be allowed to have whatever they want on their computer. i dont think theres a way to keep people from filesharing.

with that said ... what about those creepy people that have kiddie pr0n on their computer? they are breaking the law and people bust down on them. we think them sick. we think them lawbreakers. anyone that has any of this intellectual property stuff ... theyre technically breaking existing laws right now also. you just can't punish something so much more prevalent. i know it's a stretch because the crime is more "heinous" than just owning mp3s, but if it's just breaking the law and not breaking the law ... both are breaking the law.

 

[udonoogen]

Originally posted by: Ameesh
you stole their music, they get mad, and you get upset with them?


wtf, i'm gonna steall all your stuff and then we'll see how much you complain about it.

HAHAHAHAHAHHA

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: jkthomas79
But will microsoft be able to outsmart the hacker public? Would there be no way around it? And to clarify, I don't want people to ever stop sharing, as long as they share with me.

NO but they will make it so someone with a JOB does'nt want to make the effort anymore of finding some warez or crack site and 25 work-arounds to use/or download it. That's thier goal. The hackers and kids will always find a way to do it because they have lots of free time.

 

[TallBill]

my cd purchases have also increased since napster/kazaa.. but, this is not true for many

 

[jkthomas79]

Originally posted by: udonoogen
viruses are intrusive. to some extent ... people should be allowed to have whatever they want on their computer. i dont think theres a way to keep people from filesharing.

with that said ... what about those creepy people that have kiddie pr0n on their computer? they are breaking the law and people bust down on them. we think them sick. we think them lawbreakers. anyone that has any of this intellectual property stuff ... theyre technically breaking existing laws right now also. you just can't punish something so much more prevalent. i know it's a stretch because the crime is more "heinous" than just owning mp3s, but if it's just breaking the law and not breaking the law ... both are breaking the law.

Except the number of people with mp3s and such has to be a large percentage of internet users

 

[udonoogen]

that was sort of my point, really. welcome to anandtech, btw.

i've bought way more cds since i stopped downloading mp3s. i got hooked on music and without mp3s, my cd purchases have gone way up. before i stopped dling, i owned about 5 cds. now i own a little over 100. i have lots of dvds since i stopped my movie downloading now too. if you can't dl, you gotta find another way to entertain yourself. it's expensive but i dont mind having music or movies. dvds are a good investment, too, i think. i'm could be the RIAA's posterboy. =P however i think that people potentially could buy more cds if they are able to sample music. there's two sides to every story.

 

[thomsbrain]

yes, i second this call to stop using a tool designed for the sole purpose of sharing information to share information! and while we're at it, people should stop driving their cars. after all, they make much better paper weights than transportation devices and people are always breaking the law in them. lastly, i continue this line of thought by suggesting that we stop using our bathtubs to get clean and stop using hammers and nails to make things.

 

[thomsbrain]

however i think that people potentially could buy more cds if they are able to sample music. there's two sides to every storyhowever i think that people potentially could buy more cds if they are able to sample music. there's two sides to every story

Every CD I've bought in the last few months has been from bands I discovered on the internet. I would not have purchased any of them, or even heard of the bands, if I had not been able to sample their music for free. I probably buy around 5 CD's a month. The problem is, very little of the money I've been spending on music goes to major labels. It's in the major label's interests to stop me from discovering through downloading so that I will have no choice but to turn to their crappy music for entertainment.

 

[calpha]

DRMA = Digital Rights Management
+
Palladin I think was it's code name from M$ft--

They have the same desire you mention. Personally, I don't pirate a whole lot of software, and I can't stand MP3s that weren't ripped by me unless they're 320kbs, but I dl the hell out of new release movies. If I like the movie, I'll buy the DVD when it comes out, but I don't go see em at the theatre.

Anyway---I completely disagree with anything affects how I use a product after I bought it. DVD Players already do that (with regards to internationalization---one of the reasons for modded xbox's PS2s)

I agree that companies have to find a way to ensure that their products are properly paid for, but the real issue here is making it more affordable. If I could afford to purchase 7 licenses for XP, I would. As it is I have 3....but one was MSDN, the other was a new PC, and the last was the reseller deal posted here. Unfortunately, I couldn't afford the rest of them. Same thing with CD's IMO. Make them more affordable. Sell CD's compilation sets as MP3s. It wouldn't work on everybody, but it would work on me.

As far as privacy concerns on my computer, I've set about my goal of being completely M$ free in 5 years. That includes scanner software (the biggest hurdle right now since I have a very expensive scanner, and another film scanner, as well as programming (the 2nd biggest hurdle since I'm a windows coder by trade). I think in the 5 to 10 year range, software piracy won't be as bad, as more and more things move open source. More and more people will realize the benefit of not having Uncle Sam, or Uncle Mikey hidden on your machine----

Just my .02.....
<-- nOt really a M$ft hater, but a spyware----license management hater

 

[BennyD]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Microsoft is working on something along the line of what you are thinking. Under their program hardware would be encoded to deny the user from downloading copyrighted material. Without this hardware their OS's and software would not function on the computer.

Neat, huh?

indeed

link

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: jkthomas79

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Microsoft is working on something along the line of what you are thinking. Under their program hardware would be encoded to deny the user from downloading copyrighted material. Without this hardware their OS's and software would not function on the computer.
Neat, huh?

But will microsoft be able to outsmart the hacker public? Would there be no way around it? And to clarify, I don't want people to ever stop sharing, as long as they share with me.

You're right, people will come up with ways around it but guess what, that very fact has been made a Felony crime (State Super DMCA Laws now being passed) . As soon as you do it you will be hauled off to jail as if you murdered someone.

 

[CChaos]

Perhaps more bands need to start following in the footsteps of the Dead, Phish, and various other jambands out there that encourage people taping their shows and sharing the music. Albums are an afterthought and the musicians are busy making music.