Stop saying Islam is a religion of peace: Taslima Nasreen

[MongGrel]

You may not like my tone but I haven't hurled insults like you and your pals have, neither in intensity nor frequency.
You want to make an actual point? Make it and prove it.
...and you don't avoid it at all, you say it often. Falsely. To convince others.

As I said to begin with, I usually avoid saying things like you are ignorant.

But you repeatedly respond in that manner, so there comes a time when you see some one doing it repeatedly you have to make some kind of judgement call in your mind.

You post like an ignorant troll 99% of the time, so I will treat you as such.

I have many friends here I like shooting the shit with, but there is no one teaming up on you as far as I know.

I just state my opinions, there is not some group of people teaming up to take you out.

Alky even thought that at one time I guess.

I've never thought of my opinions as being anything overly sensational, I've been kicked to the curb many times for being a bit of a dick now and then.

I try to play nice with everyone in general.

 

[Maxima1]

You're right. Statistically speaking over recent history, you were far more likely to be killed by a christian or even atheist than muslim. This is true even for white westerners, many of whom are quite angry as of late that some darkie would dare try to kill one of them.

Most murderers aren't motivated by religion. That's obvious. For immigration policy, it's asinine to think taking in more Muslims is the safer or just as safe bet as taking other groups in. Our government spends a large amount on preventing terrorism, and terrorism will get worse in the coming decades as the tools to kill will be more accessible and scalable. Not only that, but if you look at the polling of Muslims, even in Western countries, they have ridiculous views on the morality of terrorism and other things (e.g. Shariah law). Europe is stupid to let so many in. They will be a very significant minority in 2050 and beyond there.

 

[MongGrel]

Most murderers aren't motivated by religion. That's obvious. For immigration policy, it's asinine to think taking in more Muslims is the safer or just as safe bet as taking other groups in. Our government spends a large amount on preventing terrorism, and terrorism will get worse in the coming decades as the tools to kill will be more accessible and scalable. Not only that, but if you look at the polling of Muslims, even in Western countries, they have ridiculous views on the morality of terrorism and other things (e.g. Shariah law). Europe is stupid to let so many in. They will be a very significant minority in 2050 and beyond there.

A large amount of things you posted contradicts itself, perhaps you will sort that out in the future.

 

[Maxima1]

A large amount of things you posted contradicts itself, perhaps you will sort that out in the future.

How did I contradict myself?

 

[agent00f]

Most murderers aren't motivated by religion. That's obvious. For immigration policy, it's asinine to think taking in more Muslims is the safer or just as safe bet as taking other groups in. Our government spends a large amount on preventing terrorism, and terrorism will get worse in the coming decades as the tools to kill will be more accessible and scalable. Not only that, but if you look at the polling of Muslims, even in Western countries, they have ridiculous views on the morality of terrorism and other things (e.g. Shariah law). Europe is stupid to let so many in. They will be a very significant minority in 2050 and beyond there.

Do you think the same of black folks/immigrants or only groups which are less risky to be bigoted against?

 

[MongGrel]

How did I contradict myself?

I'm probably too sleepy at the moment to give you an accurate, cognitive reply to be honest.

Perhaps tomorrow, I do not want to ramble.

I try to avoid writing walls of text.

I'm a Hemingway fan from way back, I like to try to answer things in short, concise runs, but I am running on at the moment.

 

[Maxima1]

Do you think the same of black folks/immigrants or only groups which are less risky to be bigoted against?

Black people, not as immigrants? Obviously there are differences. They commit violent crime totally disproportionate to their population. Was I suppose to answer that each population is equal in every aspect? Anyone affluent wants a nice neighborhood, so everyone moves away or doesn't go near blacks or poorer folks in general.

As for immigrants, populations across the world aren't the same. National IQ averages vary widely, and it's not all due to the Flynn effect/environment. If this was just randomly picking, I'd definitely want certain populations over others. If you are selective, however, obviously you get a better outcome regardless of the group. Nigerian immigrants are a good example of that. In regards to what we were discussing, if you allow people from Muslim countries in, you can't know if they'll become radicalized or if their offspring will. A skill/education measure is much more transparent in comparison, though I don't mind having a small amount be vetted over.

Adjust for demographics here (the native born) by taking out the black population and we see that the population from the illegals (2nd Gen) is worse in regards to crime (also IQ but not shown). If I'm heading immigration policy, why would I want more of them here? Funny thing is, nobody says squat about Canada's high-skilled immigration policy but always acts like the US has to take everyone's huddled masses when it's not in our interest to lower our standard of living. There are already powerful dysgenic effects going on because the wrong people are having children. In the past, many affluent people did, but not so much anymore.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

I don't think Mr. Max here is actually interested in the facts; he strikes me as someone who (still?) has a religious ideology despite claiming not to be religious, i.e., start with an emotionally-motivated conclusion and cherry pick facts to support it.

Fact is, until about 300 years ago, Christians were just as insane and dangerous and bloodthirsty as Muslims are now, and the source material is just as vile as the Koran. Not to mention it's the same bloody God-figure we're talking about in both cases!

The only reason Christians are less dangerous than Muslims now is that more Christians suck at Christianity than Muslims suck at Islam. Chew on that thought a while.

 

[agent00f]

Black people, not as immigrants? Obviously there are differences. They commit violent crime totally disproportionate to their population. Was I suppose to answer that each population is equal in every aspect? Anyone affluent wants a nice neighborhood, so everyone moves away or doesn't go near blacks or poorer folks in general.

As for immigrants, populations across the world aren't the same. National IQ averages vary widely, and it's not all due to the Flynn effect/environment. If this was just randomly picking, I'd definitely want certain populations over others. If you are selective, however, obviously you get a better outcome regardless of the group. Nigerian immigrants are a good example of that. In regards to what we were discussing, if you allow people from Muslim countries in, you can't know if they'll become radicalized or if their offspring will. A skill/education measure is much more transparent in comparison, though I don't mind having a small amount be vetted over.

Adjust for demographics here (the native born) by taking out the black population and we see that the population from the illegals (2nd Gen) is worse in regards to crime (also IQ but not shown). If I'm heading immigration policy, why would I want more of them here? Funny thing is, nobody says squat about Canada's high-skilled immigration policy but always acts like the US has to take everyone's huddled masses when it's not in our interest to lower our standard of living. There are already powerful dysgenic effects going on because the wrong people are having children. In the past, many affluent people did, but not so much anymore.

Would you say it was much different from the white immigrant underclass back in the day, or are all white folks just that much smarter?

 

[Roflmouth]

I don't think Mr. Max here is actually interested in the facts; he strikes me as someone who (still?) has a religious ideology despite claiming not to be religious, i.e., start with an emotionally-motivated conclusion and cherry pick facts to support it.

Fact is, until about 300 years ago, Christians were just as insane and dangerous and bloodthirsty as Muslims are now,

That's nice, unfortunately, we're not living 300 years ago, we're living in the modern civilized age, notwithstanding the third world hellholes plaguing the Middle East. But good job finding yet another reason to relieve Muslim terrorists from the consequences of their actions.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Fact is, until about 300 years ago, Christians were just as insane and dangerous and bloodthirsty as Muslims are now

True or not, I'm not living in the past. I don't see Christians killing people in the name of their religion daily, I see moslems doing it.

Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn: ‘Political-Correctness Kills. It Will Cause Death’

You don’t have a lot of people yelling ‘Jesus Christ’ putting a knife in somebody’s body. Or putting a knife in somebody’s head. I mean, this is a different enemy. It’s an enemy that we have not frankly understood in a couple of administrations and we definitely don’t understand them right now.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

What the unholy roiling hell makes you alt-right idiots think I want them not to face the consequences? No, the reason I'm saying these things is to remind you people that there is very, very little daylight between the two religions, and the only reason Christians aren't as barbaric as Muslims is y'all got no balls (or ovaries) after three centuries of getting the intellectual snot beaten out of you.

To rephrase that: most Christians suck at Christianity. Fewer Muslims suck at Islam. Foundationally, both religions are about equally God-awful.

Got that? Any time some Christian says "well, WE don't do THAT" s/he's saying "I'm a terrible Christian and I stole more or less my entire worldview from the very humanists I would roundly condemn to Hell for eternity if asked."

 

[AnonymouseUser]

there is very, very little daylight between the two religions, and the only reason Christians aren't as barbaric as Muslims is y'all got no balls (or ovaries) after three centuries of getting the intellectual snot beaten out of you.

No, that's not it at all. Christianity is not the Old Testament, that's Judaism. Christianity is a lot less violent and more forgiving by design, and Christians don't kill those that wish to leave the faith, so it's no surprise that as society in general becomes more intelligent that people leave Christianity and become atheist. You literally put your life at risk for leaving islam, because as you said, fewer moslems suck at islam, and that's why we don't like moslems. islam is incompatible with civilized society.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

Matthew 5:17-20 would beg to disagree with you. And the Old Testament incarnation of Yahweh was, quite literally, infinitely less cruel than the New. The Jews had no Hell as such before the Exile in the mid 600s BC, and they got it by basically eating Zoroastrianism whole; before that, it was believed that everyone went to Sheol (see the book of Ecclesiastes, for example), and whether one continued existing or slowly froze out and disappeared was dependent not on behavior but on whether one had a proper burial.

Christianity, 600+ years later, is a thoroughly Paganized Judaism, rife with stolen ideas from Zoroastrianism, Greek religion, and to a lesser extent Mithraism. Where, exactly, do you think the word "Pharisee" comes from? (Hint: "Upharsin")

Point is, Old Testament Yahweh did not have any sort of endless torture in store for anyone. Something happened during the Exile and the inter-Testamental period, and by the time Jesus was born in about 4BC, it was a thoroughly-ingrained idea in most Jewish thought.

 

[Blanky]

Everyone in this thread knows islam is uniquely a motivation among all religions for violence. The majority of the world's terrorism is perpetrated by a religion that only 1/4 subscribe to.

Some diehard progressives will use whatever intellectual gymnastics they must to address the cognitive dissonance that they have thus far employed. So those who continue to pretend otherwise are either:

1) Ignorant
2) Lying
3) Trolling

As with all such attacks, when these went off in NY and NJ recently we all suspected (and were right) that the guy's name was more likely to be muhammad than peter. That instead of a book of mormon it would be the koran he snuggles close. Case in point there are 2X as many mormons in the US as muslims. Look at all the terror attacks they are engaged in. Hmm, would that be none?

But, the fools will keep pretending otherwise. Their voices drowned out more every time another attack cures the blindness.

 

[Blanky]

Oh and you dumb turds arguing the practical application of the old testament thousands of years ago to how a lot of muslims apply the koran today, please stop being stupid.

 

[agent00f]

Everyone in this thread knows islam is uniquely a motivation among all religions for violence. The majority of the world's terrorism is perpetrated by a religion that only 1/4 subscribe to.

Some diehard progressives will use whatever intellectual gymnastics they must to address the cognitive dissonance that they have thus far employed. So those who continue to pretend otherwise are either:

1) Ignorant
2) Lying
3) Trolling

As with all such attacks, when these went off in NY and NJ recently we all suspected (and were right) that the guy's name was more likely to be muhammad than peter. That instead of a book of mormon it would be the koran he snuggles close. Case in point there are 2X as many mormons in the US as muslims. Look at all the terror attacks they are engaged in. Hmm, would that be none?

But, the fools will keep pretending otherwise. Their voices drowned out more every time another attack cures the blindness.

To make this comparable, you should try killing a bunch of mormons to test how non-violent they are.

Btw, did you imply you're with the honest/knowledgeable group? Care to find out how that'll work out for you?

 

[Blue_Max]

Matthew 5:17-20 would beg to disagree with you. And the Old Testament incarnation of Yahweh was, quite literally, infinitely less cruel than the New. The Jews had no Hell as such before the Exile in the mid 600s BC, and they got it by basically eating Zoroastrianism whole; before that, it was believed that everyone went to Sheol (see the book of Ecclesiastes, for example), and whether one continued existing or slowly froze out and disappeared was dependent not on behavior but on whether one had a proper burial.

Christianity, 600+ years later, is a thoroughly Paganized Judaism, rife with stolen ideas from Zoroastrianism, Greek religion, and to a lesser extent Mithraism. Where, exactly, do you think the word "Pharisee" comes from? (Hint: "Upharsin")

Point is, Old Testament Yahweh did not have any sort of endless torture in store for anyone. Something happened during the Exile and the inter-Testamental period, and by the time Jesus was born in about 4BC, it was a thoroughly-ingrained idea in most Jewish thought.

You have a very strange-but-detailed version of things. I'm guessing you took a "religious studies" course at a liberal-arts college where the hippie professor convinced you what he wanted you to believe - that Christianity is the most vile, evil thing ever based on some theories instead of observable actions and actual history of human behaviour.

You hate it. Loathe it. And want to lump it equal to islam in order to destroy it. That's not a healthy level of dislike for anything.

 

[bshole]

I agree that Christianity has been largely neutered. The problem is that Islam has not been neutered in the slightest in Islamic nations.

No Christians or Secularists are trying to get into Islamic countries. That traffic is ALL one way. Muslim nations (having failed to create working states) export their violence, hatred, stunted culture and tribalism outward as their people flee. They are quite literally the ONLY immigrant class that brings terrorism and hatred for the country they are immigrating into with them.

The closest thing the Muslim world has to a secular nation is Turkey and that appears to devolving into a fascist state.

Opening our doors to a million unskilled tribalist immigrants seems counterproductive. One need only look at Germany for evidence of this.

The tidal wave of refugees that crashed through Germany’s doors last year has long turned to a trickle, but the costs of the inflow will remain a burden on the country for years, budget figures released on Friday showed.

The German finance ministry expects to spend €77.6 billion ($86.2 billion) over the next four years feeding, housing and training refugees as well as helping their home countries to stem the flow, according to updated budget estimates for the period from 2017 to 2020. Adding budgeted costs for the current year would bring the total to €93.6 billion between by 2020.

Yearly cost estimates are set to remain broadly stable over the years even though arrivals have slowed considerably—a testament to the government’s low expectations about its ability to integrate the newcomers, most of them from the Middle-East and poorly trained, into its economy.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/germany...er-86-billion-over-next-four-years-1467392402

As an added bonus for Germany the far right has seen a dramatic and drastic increase in popularity. Why shoot ourselves in the foot for no good reason? It makes no sense.

Germany's two largest parties were facing up to losses in the nation's capital Monday after large numbers of Berliners turned to the far-right.
Anti-immigrant party Alternative fur Deutschland (AfD) will enter Berlin's state parliament for the first time, after winning 14.2% of the vote.

Angela Merkel's center-right Christian Democratic Union (CDU) was knocked out of a ruling coalition with the center-left Social Democrats, after winning just 17.6% of the vote.
After the poll result, Merkel acknowledged mistakes and shortcomings with the controversial refugee policy which allowed hundreds of thousands into the country

 

[Orignal Earl]

You have a very strange-but-detailed version of things. I'm guessing you took a "religious studies" course at a liberal-arts college where the hippie professor convinced you what he wanted you to believe - that Christianity is the most vile, evil thing ever based on some theories instead of observable actions and actual history of human behaviour.

You hate it. Loathe it. And want to lump it equal to islam in order to destroy it. That's not a healthy level of dislike for anything.

Sez the guy who got his degree in theology from donating to Jihadwatch and Trump U

 

[Blue_Max]

INo Christians or Secularists are trying to get into Islamic countries. That traffic is ALL one way. Muslim nations (having failed to create working states) export their violence, hatred, stunted culture and tribalism outward as their people flee. They are quite literally the ONLY immigrant class that brings terrorism and hatred for the country they are immigrating into with them.
The closest thing the Muslim world has to a secular nation is Turkey and that appears to devolving into a fascist state.
Opening our doors to a million unskilled tribalist immigrants seems counterproductive. One need only look at Germany for evidence of this.

Even German Chancelor Merkel finally, finally admits to regretting her decision: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/712125/Angela-Merkel-admits-regrets-open-door-migrant-policy

 

[Orignal Earl]

The closest thing the Muslim world has to a secular nation is Turkey and that appears to devolving into a fascist state.

The vast majority of Muslim majority countries are as secular as the US is

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_of_Islamic_law_by_country

 

[bshole]

The vast majority of Muslim majority countries are as secular as the US is

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_of_Islamic_law_by_country

According to the link YOU provided, that is not true.

Most Muslim-majority countries adopt various aspects of sharia. According to BBC, some countries adopt only a few aspects of Sharia, others apply the entire code.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_of_Islamic_law_by_country#cite_note-rightto-2

 

[AnonymouseUser]

To make this comparable, you should try killing a bunch of mormons to test how non-violent they are.

Yep, just look at the Yazidis for a comparable religious minority that is facing genocide by moslems in the ME. They have become so violent in response, that they make moslems look like saints. Any internet search will prove my point. Example: terrorist attacks committed by Yazidis

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

You have a very strange-but-detailed version of things. I'm guessing you took a "religious studies" course at a liberal-arts college where the hippie professor convinced you what he wanted you to believe - that Christianity is the most vile, evil thing ever based on some theories instead of observable actions and actual history of human behaviour.

You hate it. Loathe it. And want to lump it equal to islam in order to destroy it. That's not a healthy level of dislike for anything.

Don't quit your day job to become a psychologist. You're wrong on all counts. I've studied this stuff extra-curricular for over 10 years, including some of it in the original Hebrew and Koine. I bet you don't even know what Koine is.

And you know something? ALL the Abrahamic religions are the most vile, evil things ever. They all spring from the same poisonous root. They all come from one base idea: that God is a genocidal demon with the morals of a 5 year old sociopath. I am not an atheist and I find this, in addition to being completely at odds with reality, utterly blasphemous.

You can take your bullshit alt-right dogwhistling and shove it so far up your ass you choke on it.