Stop saying Islam is a religion of peace: Taslima Nasreen

[Orignal Earl]

Yea I saw that too. I do concede that point to you and it was bad form on my part not to mention it.

But..... that does not address the more important point I was trying to make on WHAT group is primarily involved in sexual assaults. That part I still stand by.

That's twice now you have deliberately not mentioned things (editing that Muslims quote)
It seems you have an agenda

 

[bshole]

That's twice now you have deliberately not mentioned things (editing that Muslims quote)
It seems you have an agenda

Well obviously I have an agenda. I would like your reaction to the Muslim men comprising 2% of the population and committing more than 70% of rapes in Sweden. Do you think that stat is legit?

 

[Blue_Max]

Well obviously I have an agenda. I would like your reaction to the Muslim men comprising 2% of the population and committing more than 70% of rapes in Sweden. Do you think that stat is legit?

Well, if he won't answer - Sargon of Akkad just did (with full citations as usual): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmV4kPqrPUM

 

[Orignal Earl]

Well obviously I have an agenda. I would like your reaction to the Muslim men comprising 2% of the population and committing more than 70% of rapes in Sweden. Do you think that stat is legit?

Are you talking about rape or 10 cases of immigrants touching women without permission

 

[Blue_Max]

Are you talking about rape or 10 cases of immigrants touching women without permission

Heh.... better watch that video. The number of women attacked in Germany on New Year's alone was over 1,200. 🙄

[edit] wrote 1600 by mistake.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Heh.... better watch that video. The number of women attacked in Germany on New Year's alone was over 1,600. 🙄

A supposed leaked document says there were 1200 women attacked
Your news-guy says there were 4 convictions and we see 2 of them were let off with a years probation
Do you have proof the other 2 raped someone?

 

[Blue_Max]

A supposed leaked document says there were 1200 women attacked
Your news-guy says there were 4 convictions and we see 2 of them were let off with a years probation
Do you have proof the other 2 raped someone?

You need to watch this over and over until it finally sinks in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeUGBLKY7rs
Listen to her screams.

You're apologizing for her attackers. Repeatedly.

 

[Orignal Earl]

You need to watch this over and over until it finally sinks in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeUGBLKY7rs
Listen to her screams.

You're apologizing for her attackers. Repeatedly.

I've never apologized for a rapist
Somehow though, you think I do so repeatedly.


What is it that you think should sink in?
I don't have to watch it repeatedly, I felt empathy for the woman the first time
All you felt was fear wasn't it?
I see some men in Egypt dragging a woman against her will and she is screaming bloody hell
Do you somehow see this as proof Muslims are very likely to rape?

 

[bshole]

It looks like my Sweden stats might be full of shit. This is what comes from confirmation bias. I think you win this one Earl.

https://debunkingdenialism.com/2015/12/12/how-anti-immigration-activists-misuse-rape-statistics/

 

[Victorian Gray]

It looks like my Sweden stats might be full of shit. This is what comes from confirmation bias. I think you win this one Earl.



https://debunkingdenialism.com/2015/12/12/how-anti-immigration-activists-misuse-rape-statistics/

It helps if you stay away from the more obvious propaganda sites.

 

[agent00f]

Exactly. The billionaires of the world want cheap labor so they go where it is ultra cheap. Countries where laborers are basically slaves and where there are no expensive climate or worker safety restrictions. The rich get richer and the poor get toxic water, but you seem to think that's a good thing.

That is simply how capitalist free-market economics work. In the future I advise reading the fine print before signing up worship anything.

Sad as this is, leftists should be smitten with schadenfreude at the dummies finally figuring out what economists explained hundreds of years ago.

If you're talking about H1-B and similar programs, then that is a false pretense. There is plenty of qualified labor here, but the leaders that be are hell bent on destroying this country so they make up these "plausible" excuses to import workers at lower wages.

If that important thing previously mentioned is maintaining leadership in science/tech then the premise of H1-B is valid along with student visas. STEM grad programs in the US are something like more than half foreigners because capitalists love money more than science.

Of course in practice h1b is more of a substitute for the free market movement of services that our socialist communist leaders refuse to implement.

 

[Orignal Earl]

It looks like my Sweden stats might be full of shit. This is what comes from confirmation bias. I think you win this one Earl.

https://debunkingdenialism.com/2015/12/12/how-anti-immigration-activists-misuse-rape-statistics/

I never won anything
The Blue crew here can't accept facts contrary to their belief system and will continue to repeat their shit

 

[nickqt]

I never won anything
The Blue crew here can't accept facts contrary to their belief system and will continue to repeat their shit

Objective, observable reality is a challenge for US Conservatism. It's why they have to make up their own bullshit and then repeat it amongst themselves. It's also why 55% of the US population and most of the rest of the world consider them lunatics.

Delusions are stubborn things.

 

[brycejones]

It looks like my Sweden stats might be full of shit. This is what comes from confirmation bias. I think you win this one Earl.


https://debunkingdenialism.com/2015/12/12/how-anti-immigration-activists-misuse-rape-statistics/

kudos to you owning up to it

 

[piasabird]

Even during the time of George Washington after the revolutionary war, Muslim Pirates have been attacking American Ships. This is nothing new.

 

[realibrad]

There does seem to be a growing fear in Europe that reporting or publicizing assaults by immigrants will spur xenophobia. The fear is causing information to be held back and people are not able to take precautions. Stockholm is a perfect example where the police were getting reports and removing people from the event, but did not say anything out of fear of a reaction. When a newspaper reported the lack of disclosure and investigation started, and the lead investigator had this to say.

Sometimes we do not really say how things are because we believe it may play into the hands of the Sweden Democrats

I understand not wanting to stoke any reactions of xenophobia or racism, but it should not be at the expense of public safety.

 

[woolfe9998]

It looks like my Sweden stats might be full of shit. This is what comes from confirmation bias. I think you win this one Earl.

https://debunkingdenialism.com/2015/12/12/how-anti-immigration-activists-misuse-rape-statistics/

Not only did you admit you were wrong, but you actually posted data to show that you were wrong. This is much better behavior than we are used to seeing on P&N. :thumbsup:

 

[Orignal Earl]

Even during the time of George Washington after the revolutionary war, Muslim Pirates have been attacking American Ships. This is nothing new.

See that guy at Washingtons right hand by his knee?
Muslim American patriot

 

[Zaap]

Stockholm is a perfect example

Can't decide if that's fitting... or blazing irony?

 

[Omar F1]

Where in the Middle East are you Omar

It doesn't matter where I'm coming from, rather than the importance to have an overall idea of the Muslims ideology/mindset. Then you may draw your own conclusion.
(to answer, I was born, educated and lived in a conservative one)

Of course I understand that you're talking from experience point, mainly coming of interaction with American/Canadian Muslims. But I'd consider neither them nor the people of impoverished Islamic states would help you reach that conclusion.

It's really complicated equation to form a final opinion about nation's present and past history combined. It's a highly subjective matter that depends from which POV you're reading it.

 

[Omar F1]

Well obviously I have an agenda. I would like your reaction to the Muslim men comprising 2% of the population and committing more than 70% of rapes in Sweden. Do you think that stat is legit?

"Muslims" that is a broad word here in this context, don't you think.

Here is an important point to consider. Who is migrating from the Muslims world to Europe in the first place? what is their backgrounds, education status and mentality evaluation.
You know, I always tell friends from Gulf states that it's much more likely for a successful Arab physician to stay in his country and open a private clinic, than to come looking for work at one of them Gulf states.
I hope you reached my point. And before somebody goes wild on me, no, I'm not saying that all those migrants are bad or less educated/civilized than those who stayed in their former homelands.


Edit: do you have any idea how many south Asian/African Muslims have we integrated into any of our safe/prospered countries?

 

[Orignal Earl]

It doesn't matter where I'm coming from, rather than the importance to have an overall idea of the Muslims ideology/mindset. Then you may draw your own conclusion.
(to answer, I was born, educated and lived in a conservative one)

Of course I understand that you're talking from experience point, mainly coming of interaction with American/Canadian Muslims. But I'd consider neither them nor the people of impoverished Islamic states would help you reach that conclusion.

It's really complicated equation to form a final opinion about nation's present and past history combined. It's a highly subjective matter that depends from which POV you're reading it.

Why do you think you would have an overall idea of Muslims ideology/mindset?

Aside from knowing Canadian Muslims, my family has extensively traveled a lot of Islamic states and the impoverished Muslims were their main concern
They are missionaries

 

[Blue_Max]

See that guy at Washingtons right hand by his knee?
Muslim American patriot

You'll stretch to any length to defend, won't you. I've gone to a dozen sites like this one: https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/art-americas/us-art-19c/romanticism-us/a/leutze-washington-crossing-the-delaware all historians analyzing the painting and NOT ONE has claimed (or even mentioned) islam.

Or are black people automatically muslim to you? Gosh, that might offend some y'know. 😉

Pity we can't convince these uber-lefts that virtue-signalling is completely worthless if the bearer is devoid of truth.

 

[agent00f]

There does seem to be a growing fear in Europe that reporting or publicizing assaults by immigrants will spur xenophobia. The fear is causing information to be held back and people are not able to take precautions. Stockholm is a perfect example where the police were getting reports and removing people from the event, but did not say anything out of fear of a reaction. When a newspaper reported the lack of disclosure and investigation started, and the lead investigator had this to say.

I understand not wanting to stoke any reactions of xenophobia or racism, but it should not be at the expense of public safety.

Try to put yourself in the position of the police there. There are some angry right wingers ready to ignite, and you're going to be responsible if some lynchmob formed on your watch.

Think carefully about the cause/effect here, particularly the unfortunate situation caused by blanket bigotry.

 

[Orignal Earl]

You'll stretch to any length to defend, won't you. I've gone to a dozen sites like this one: https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/art-americas/us-art-19c/romanticism-us/a/leutze-washington-crossing-the-delaware all historians analyzing the painting and NOT ONE has claimed (or even mentioned) islam.

Or are black people automatically muslim to you? Gosh, that might offend some y'know. 😉

Pity we can't convince these uber-lefts that virtue-signalling is completely worthless if the bearer is devoid of truth.

We know there were Muslims fighting for American independence and they were probably black

But ya, I just made that up about the fellow in the boat, It was probably obvious to the normal posters here