Stop protecting illegal immigrants - Get over it

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
So you'd rather have open, free borders?

no of course not. read my post again. I edited it too late.

Originally posted by: BoomerD
While I personally never had to compete with an illegal for my job, construction projects here are full of them...even union jobs are getting filled with Mexicans...legal and illegal. Those kinds of jobs certainly aren't "Jobs Americans don't want" since even a union laborer in the Bay area makes about $25./hr with an excellent benefits package, and union carpenters make over $30/hr plus their fringe package.
It's not about the illegals coming here to work the fields. Not many people really get too worked up over that, but that's only a small portion of the jobs that are becoming more and more staffed by illegal immigrants.

I'd be in favor of a migrant worker program that withheld as much as 1/2 of their wages (similar to the old Bracero program, except the workers need to actually get the withheld wages this time) that is dependant on them returning back to their country when the season is over.

Any illegal that wants to apply for legal entry, should be required to return to his/her native land to do so.
Jumping to the head of the line (by entering illegally) is hardly "fair" to the hundreds of thousands of people world-wide who are waiting their turn and "playing by the rules."
Many of my neighbors are legal immigrants from several different countries, and they are ALL against the illegal immigration.

Well, since you've seen that first hand, you have much more of a say than a lot of us do. I used to be on one side of this issue, then the other..then on the fence (no pun intended)...

Nowadays, I'm not really sure what to think. I suppose "it is what is it." =/

But ya, I absolutely agree with your point about fairness. Just that some of these guys stare at their living conditions of their children and just want to do something about it.


Some people/businesses doing business within ~50 miles on both sides should have special privileges so they can cross the border a lot easier than it is now (obviously after an extensive review of why he/she wants to to business on both sides, security check, etc etc...).

3-4 hours to cross the border?? sheesh. I hear it every morning. "Current border wait times are: 4 hours at the SD border, 3 hours Calexico, and 2 hours Otay-Mesa. Back to you, Tom."

 

[Kadarin]

My concern isn't so much about illegal aliens killing people and raping women and whatnot, as that's crime that is committed by people both legal and illegal. I am more concerned about looking at how much illegal aliens contribute to the economy, versus how much they suck out of it in the form of taxes not paid, and services (healthcare, education, etc) consumed. Are they a real benefit to society here, or are they a drain?

Also, if they start taking skilled jobs away from legal workers, as BoomerD suggests, then what?

My opinion is that they are ILLEGALLY here, and do NOT have the right to work here for income. Therefore, they should be punished for this if caught and they should be deported. Employers should face stiff penalties for employing them. However, it won't happen in any meaningful way for two reasons: Larger employers tend to donate to election campaigns, and politicians love to whore themselves to gain the Hispanic vote.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: Kadarin
My concern isn't so much about illegal aliens killing people and raping women and whatnot, as that's crime that is committed by people both legal and illegal. I am more concerned about looking at how much illegal aliens contribute to the economy, versus how much they suck out of it in the form of taxes not paid, and services (healthcare, education, etc) consumed. Are they a real benefit to society here, or are they a drain?

Also, if they start taking skilled jobs away from legal workers, as BoomerD suggests, then what?

My opinion is that they are ILLEGALLY here, and do NOT have the right to work here for income. Therefore, they should be punished for this if caught and they should be deported. Employers should face stiff penalties for employing them. However, it won't happen in any meaningful way for two reasons: Larger employers tend to donate to election campaigns, and politicians love to whore themselves to gain the Hispanic vote.

they are being punished for working here illegally, making sometimes 1/2 of what minimum wage isn't a blessing. I honestly would have a hard time working for 8 bucks an hour (think that's what it is in Cali) 4 bucks an hour? no OT? no benefits? FUUUUCK NO!

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: Farang
I don't care. I'm educated and we aren't competing for the same job. If you lose your job to an illegal immigrant you need to get some training in something useful and find a real job.

Heh. I always liked that Doug Stanhope line:

"I live seven miles off the Mexican border and I see all these 'Mexicans that are taking Americans' jobs'. You can see 'em every day. You watch Border Patrol dragging them eleven at a time out of a fuckin' Ford Focus, like a clown car. And they got plastic cuffs on... And you're right, they don't speak the language and they probably have no education; they don't have fuckin' shoes half the time. They've got tattered, Gilligan's Island shorts, they're filthy, they haven't had a drink of water in days... IF THAT GUY IS AS QUALIFIED FOR YOUR JOB AS YOU ARE, YOU ARE A LOSER OF SUCH EPIC PROPORTIONS..."

Link to video.

 

[Kelvrick]

I have no problem with them being here. I have a problem with them being here and wasting my money.

I'm for minimal help. Come here, we'll help you get on your feet by helping you pay rent a little bit so you can find a job and strive to be an AMERICAN citizen. I say I'm vietnamese for my ethnicity, but I'm an american. I speak several languages, but I'd never expect to converse in any of them with a government worker aside from english. American culture is a mishmash of over cultures and I don't mind people being proud of their heritage, but I don't want them coming here expecting us to conform with them.

This isn't just against mexicans, I don't like any of them if they expect us to let them flaunt their culture and still take their benefits funded by american tax payers. Open the borders, but you know what, you're in America now, and stfu. If they come over here and start driving without a license, I want the book to come down on them harder then me stepping on a random bug I didn't notice. I don't even think most americans are fit to drive, let alone those with no license, insurance or any recourse for the others involved in whatever they screwed up.

 

[Pepsei]

how come there's no hate for the companies that hired them? strange eh?

and what should people do if the government gives them amnesty? (which has been done before) that means they will ceased to be illegal anymore... you'll have to blame the newly arrived illegal immigrants.

 

[tfcmasta97]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Farang
I don't care. I'm educated and we aren't competing for the same job. If you lose your job to an illegal immigrant you need to get some training in something useful and find a real job.

TERRIBLE misconception. They're not just coming here for "the jobs Americans won't do" anymore...they're coming for ANY job they can get. College degreed folks, manual laborers, office professionals, any and all classes of working people are sneaking across the border...

OMG those savages come here for better opportunities, become more qualified and steal retarded overpaid hillbillies jobs?

immigant' bastages all of em

 

[T9D]

Go through the damn process. You are more than welcome here. But why do YOU get to pass on the process to get in?? Is that fair to the other millions of people who take the classes and the time to do it right? If you didn't do it right you need to leave. You know what I'd never just walk into a country illegally. They have no right to walk into any country without doing it right and being invited in. You don't have a free ticket to do whatever the hell you want.

 

[NanoStuff]

They have no right to walk into any country without doing it right and being invited in

You have it all wrong. The 'illegals' are the new settling Americans, you're the native savages.

This time don't fight back and maybe the Mexicans will offer you some nice green reservations without spilling your blood.

 

[lokiju]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
If they want to come here, they need to do so legally. This country has the right and the need to control who enters the country. Unregulated immigration is a recipe for disaster for working men & women in this country.

Well said.

 

[Engraver]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
A solid response like BoomerD's response is ALL THAT IS NEEDED. There is no fucking reason to just suddenly hate upon a group of people just because you're entitled to live here because you were born here. :roll:

How about hating on them for not paying taxes and bleeding public welfare services dry?

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
this should be in P&N. w/o illegals, southern california's economy would be in the gutter. W/o them, who will man our fields? How the hell do our southern states compete in a global economy w/o them?

Yes we should have good border control, but have you ever seen a homeless mexican? nop. I haven't. You, of all people living in California should know this. I'd much rather hire a hardworking individual than a unionized lazy ass; or that lame-ass guy who holds up a "war veteran, need money, godbless" signs.

We need our taxi drivers, our field laborers, etc. really, wtf are we going to do without them? Which 2nd/3rd generation will even work in those jobs?

I'm all for stricter border control, but this hate towards illegals is stupid. This is becoming borderline racism. A mere 100+ years ago, all it took was the want to work in the US, and you're in. Pretty fucking ironic that a country built on immigrants is turning its back on that principle.

OP, you're korean, and so am I. I'm pretty sure you are also the first gen here as well as I am (born here, parents immigrated). Sure our parents came here legally. However, I'm sure the situation would've been quite different if it weren't for this thing called the Pacific Ocean. So being born here, something you and I didn't have the power to choose, entitles us to hate on illegals (ahem mexicans)? Give me a fucking break.

I personally want to believe that the US and Mexico should come to an agreement on work visas.

Also... No human should ever hate on another because that other dude wants to pursue a higher standard of living for him/herself. Why the fuck would you want to hate that. Everyone strives for it, so let them. Don't go around getting pissed off for something that really doesn't affect you on the personal level. Live your own life, and let them live theres.

EDIT:
I like BoomerD's response. I can agree w/ that. Unregulated immigration in this day/age is unfavorable. To curb this though, all border or near-border cities/towns on both sides should have special laws/work visa's/privileges to facilitate businesses there.

A solid response like BoomerD's response is ALL THAT IS NEEDED. There is no fucking reason to just suddenly hate upon a group of people just because you're entitled to live here because you were born here. :roll:

EDIT2: sorry for the language.... that's all. but I'm not editing my initial knee-jerk there. Sorry for attacking you if it came off like that, but oh well. Touchy subject and I got heated there. It's nothing personal. Just dislike your initial opinion, that is all.

so said the plantation owners in the mid 1800's
"Without black slaves the souths economy would be int he gutter...."