Stop FCC

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: NTB

EDIT: :beer: for Jzero and n0cmonkey

Nate

Thanks, I think I will

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
I see only two options:

1) Completely eliminate government control of the airwaves. Anybody & everybody will be able to broadcast on any channel they want. Whoever can afford the most powerful transmitter wins.

2) Continue holding broadcasters to a standard that reflects public sentiment.

You're free to say & do whatever you want when it doesn't infringe upon others. Start a web site, hold meetings, whatever, but keep it off the air.

Cable & satellite obviously are totally different stories.

Viper GTS

I think this is a rather weak basis to defend the recent ratcheting-down of standards. Howard Stern is the most popular radio broadcaster in the US, so it's hard to argue his show does not comply with "a standard that reflects public sentiment," yet he is the highest-visibility target of the FCC. The religious right has taken on greater influence in the federal government recently than we have seen in many years, so a vocal majority (the diehard Bible-thumpers) have a louder voice than ever.

I think the distinction between cable shows and broadcast media is kinda arbitrary, when the majority of people have cable or DSS - they pay their TV carrier to bring ABC and CBS into their homes, the same way they pay for FX, Comedy Central, and HBO.

I really would oppose complete broadcast freedom, short of truly obscene material like child pornography. It works well enough in Europe. IMO our country has never really lost its deeply puritanical streak, since the Mayflower landed (as witnessed by the tremendous uproar kicked up by Janet Jackson exposing a huge metal pasty at the Super Bowl). As far as I'm concerned that just interferes with our accomplishments as a nation, and is inconsistent with the freedoms embodied in the Constitution.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Freejack2
It's a bit of a dilemma for me on this.
While we should have freedom of speech, the argument is that kids can hear these public broadcasts and because of that there should be no swear words, slurs, or sexually suggestive material on these broadcasts. Technically any broadcast that is broadcast over the air (stuff on satellite or cable should be a different story as you have to pay to receive them) shouldn't contain anything that might be offensive or what a child shouldn't hear.
If anything technically the FCC should be far more strict about any material that is broadcast over the airwaves. Larger fines and jail sentences for these things.

If Howard Stern for example who broadcasts on public airwaves starts talking about sex on his show he should be taken off the air permanently, fined, and possibly sentenced to jail for it. Basically when it's public airwaves if Disney wouldn't show it then it shouldn't be on the public airwaves, cable and satellite only.

Trust me when I say that you really don't believe in free speech. You want to go back to the 50s, when Lucy and Ricky had to sleep in separate twin beds, and the word "toilet" was not allowed on TV. This is OK, although I wholly disagree, but it is completely inconsistent with the idea that "we should have free speech."

The question I have is, should news providers or television journalists (say, 60 Minutes) be allowed to broadcast violent or profane material (say, feeds from a war zone), or nudity (if it relates to public health - say, a news item encouraging women to do self-breast exams)?

 

[Vette73]

If you don't like what the FCC is doing then you better NOT vote for Bush. The pres. is the person that puts their guy in charge of that, so when you vote remember this.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
If you don't like what the FCC is doing then you better NOT vote for Bush. The pres. is the person that puts their guy in charge of that, so when you vote remember this.

If you believe that then you are truly uninformed regarding this issue. You may want to research some of the leading democrats speeches and musings regarding smut in the media. When it comes to moralizing about indecency in broadcasting it is truly a non partisan soapbox that politicians from both sides of the aisle love to climb up on.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
If you don't like what the FCC is doing then you better NOT vote for Bush. The pres. is the person that puts their guy in charge of that, so when you vote remember this.

FCC's Chairman Michael Powell

Originally nominated by Clinton.

Viper GTS

 

[n0cmonkey]

Nader '04

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
If you don't like what the FCC is doing then you better NOT vote for Bush. The pres. is the person that puts their guy in charge of that, so when you vote remember this.

FCC's Chairman Michael Powell

Originally nominated by Clinton.

Viper GTS

NO!!. Clinton put him on the commision, he did NOT make him the head of it.

"He was designated Chairman by President Bush on January 22, 2001."

If Clinton was still Pres. he would have been canned for half the S__T that is going on now.


Sorry but Kerry has my vote, Bush has gone to far, and that was before any of this FCC C__P got even more out of hand.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
If you don't like what the FCC is doing then you better NOT vote for Bush. The pres. is the person that puts their guy in charge of that, so when you vote remember this.

FCC's Chairman Michael Powell

Originally nominated by Clinton.

Viper GTS

NO!!. Clinton put him on the commision, he did NOT make him the head of it.

"He was designated Chairman by President Bush on January 22, 2001."

If Clinton was still Pres. he would have been canned for half the S__T that is going on now.


Sorry but Kerry has my vote, Bush has gone to far, and that was before any of this FCC C__P got even more out of hand.

Yeah sure Clinton would have! That is why there were 1.7 million in fines levied against Infinity during the Clinton administration.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
If you don't like what the FCC is doing then you better NOT vote for Bush. The pres. is the person that puts their guy in charge of that, so when you vote remember this.

FCC's Chairman Michael Powell

Originally nominated by Clinton.

Viper GTS

NO!!. Clinton put him on the commision, he did NOT make him the head of it.

"He was designated Chairman by President Bush on January 22, 2001."

If Clinton was still Pres. he would have been canned for half the S__T that is going on now.


Sorry but Kerry has my vote, Bush has gone to far, and that was before any of this FCC C__P got even more out of hand.

Your reading comprehension is seriously lacking, I said he was "originally nominated by Clinton."

Hell, you even QUOTED me and you still couldn't understand it.

Maybe this will help:

Mr. Powell, a Republican, was nominated by President William J. Clinton on July 31, 1997, and confirmed by the United States Senate on October 28, 1997.

Viper GTS

 

[JoeKing]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Nader '04

NOOOO!!! a vote for nader is a vote for bush. lesser of the two evils here..... I'm gonna have to vote Kerry just to get bush out.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
If you don't like what the FCC is doing then you better NOT vote for Bush. The pres. is the person that puts their guy in charge of that, so when you vote remember this.

FCC's Chairman Michael Powell

Originally nominated by Clinton.

Viper GTS

NO!!. Clinton put him on the commision, he did NOT make him the head of it.

"He was designated Chairman by President Bush on January 22, 2001."

If Clinton was still Pres. he would have been canned for half the S__T that is going on now.


Sorry but Kerry has my vote, Bush has gone to far, and that was before any of this FCC C__P got even more out of hand.

Your reading comprehension is seriously lacking, I said he was "originally nominated by Clinton."

Hell, you even QUOTED me and you still couldn't understand it.

Maybe this will help:

Mr. Powell, a Republican, was nominated by President William J. Clinton on July 31, 1997, and confirmed by the United States Senate on October 28, 1997.

Viper GTS

NO, where did you say Clinton ONLY nominated him to the COMMISION. You did not. You said Clinton Nominated him and he next line said "FCC's Chairman Michael Powell"

You did not say BUSH made him the haid of the FCC did you? But he did.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
NO, where did you say Clinton ONLY nominated him to the COMMISION. You did not. You said Clinton Nominated him and he next line said "FCC's Chairman Michael Powell"

You did not say BUSH made him the haid of the FCC did you? But he did.

You have to be trolling, there's no way anyone can be this dense.

Viper GTS

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Joeyman

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Nader '04

NOOOO!!! a vote for nader is a vote for bush. lesser of the two evils here..... I'm gonna have to vote Kerry just to get bush out.

I don't suffer from ABB syndrome. I'd insist on voting my conscience instead of just voting for the candidate most likely to beat Bush.

 

[dmcowen674]

Signed.

The FCC can regulate miscues like the Superbowl without becomming a Gestapo.

They are Failing at their jobs and using Religion and excuses.

Where's Donald? They all need to be FIRED!

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
NO, where did you say Clinton ONLY nominated him to the COMMISION. You did not. You said Clinton Nominated him and he next line said "FCC's Chairman Michael Powell"

You did not say BUSH made him the haid of the FCC did you? But he did.

You have to be trolling, there's no way anyone can be this dense.

Viper GTS

Well you must be for implying it then trying to play it off when you were caught in your own stupidity.

 

[Nitemare]

Down with Big Brother

 

[JoeKing]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Joeyman

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Nader '04

NOOOO!!! a vote for nader is a vote for bush. lesser of the two evils here..... I'm gonna have to vote Kerry just to get bush out.

I don't suffer from ABB syndrome. I'd insist on voting my conscience instead of just voting for the candidate most likely to beat Bush.

I understand and applaud how you stand, your vote is your choice and that's what makes this country great. But really what can Nader hope to get 10% at most? Its going to take a LONG time to see a third party gain noticable voting power. And right now I'm just so scared of Bush and his "ways" I'll proudly yell anybody but bush. But that 10% could very well keep bush in office much like how he got the presidency in the first place. I say get him out first then vote independent (or Green:Q) when Hillary comes around

 

[WHipLAsh13]

Originally posted by: Freejack2
So basically you are saying that you want children to see and hear things that they shouldn't be exposed to?

No we want their parents to actually pay attention to them and monitor them. I know its a difficult concept to understand but the government was not put in place to take care of your kids so stop trying to make them.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Joeyman

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Joeyman

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Nader '04

NOOOO!!! a vote for nader is a vote for bush. lesser of the two evils here..... I'm gonna have to vote Kerry just to get bush out.

I don't suffer from ABB syndrome. I'd insist on voting my conscience instead of just voting for the candidate most likely to beat Bush.

I understand and applaud how you stand, your vote is your choice and that's what makes this country great. But really what can Nader hope to get 10% at most? Its going to take a LONG time to see a third party gain noticable voting power. And right now I'm just so scared of Bush and his "ways" I'll proudly yell anybody but bush. But that 10% could very well keep bush in office much like how he got the presidency in the first place. I say get him out first then vote independent (or Green:Q) when Hillary comes around

The only reason third party candidates don't have a chance is because people have the "it's like throwing my vote away" attitude.

 

[WHipLAsh13]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
If you don't like what the FCC is doing then you better NOT vote for Bush. The pres. is the person that puts their guy in charge of that, so when you vote remember this.

FCC's Chairman Michael Powell

Originally nominated by Clinton.

Viper GTS

NO!!. Clinton put him on the commision, he did NOT make him the head of it.

"He was designated Chairman by President Bush on January 22, 2001."

If Clinton was still Pres. he would have been canned for half the S__T that is going on now.


Sorry but Kerry has my vote, Bush has gone to far, and that was before any of this FCC C__P got even more out of hand.

I am not sure sure about that part you say about Clinton. VP Gore's wife Tiipper is one of the biggest advocates of censorship.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: WHipLAsh13

Originally posted by: Freejack2
So basically you are saying that you want children to see and hear things that they shouldn't be exposed to?

No we want their parents to actually pay attention to them and monitor them. I know its a difficult concept to understand but the government was not put in place to take care of your kids so stop trying to make them.

I don't know how I missed that comment. But whiplash13 has it right. You whipped your dick out, didn't pull out, and now you better damn well take care of what happened. I'm not a dad, don't make me be part of your parenting.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Down with Big Brother

And the religious reich.

 

[Kaiser__Sose]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Don't like it? Change the station. Idiots.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

In addition to signing the petition, I have written my congressman and Senator McCain (I am a longtime fan, but he is a co-sponsor of the new "broadcast decency" legislation), and can't wait to wear my new Free Stern t-shirt [WARNING - link does not contain nudity but many not be 100% work safe!]. I don't want to live in a country taken over by the religious right . . .