Stop and Frisk. Do you Support it?

[JohnOfSheffield]

There are accusations of racism in its application, and there are arguments that it makes for safer streets.

I lean towards safer streets.

It is rough if you're an innocent person who repeated gets caught up in these things, but it is possible to train cops to do these things courteously.

Without probable cause it would land the policeman/woman without a job in a heartbeat where i'm from.

Of course, we're not as "free" as you are.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

But stop and frisk isn't "unreasonable". It is in response to relative crime levels, and behavior on the streets.

If you're familiar with the East Coast cities in general, crime is a real problem.

If "reasonable" was an arbitrary term you'd wear a camera up your arse to ensure you don't hide drugs up there.

Thankfully it's not, reasonable means reasonable suspicion which requires some evidence of wrongdoing.

 

[xj0hnx]

Sorry, there is no way I will accept that someone walking down a street gives probable cause to the authorities to search them or frisk them. I disagree with Joe on many things, but in this he's 100% right.

Yes, he is. It's disgusting that people think it's a good idea that police can just stop and search people randomly. Very sad that some people are embracing a fascist state.

 

[JKing106]

If NYC/FTC/SEC will do stop and frisks of all middle age white guys coming out of Wall Street financial firms. Examine brief cases, computer, check their email. We know this is the profile of people who have caused losses of untold billions to our economy.

Think that'll happen??

They'd find a hell of a lot of cocaine.

 

[waggy]

Yes, he is. It's disgusting that people think it's a good idea that police can just stop and search people randomly. Very sad that some people are embracing a fascist state.

/this

 

[micrometers]

I think it's an effective police tactic and a large reason why NYC has a much lower crime rate and better quality of life than Philadelphia.

 

[davmat787]

I think it's an effective police tactic and a large reason why NYC has a much lower crime rate and better quality of life than Philadelphia.

How can it be a large reason for the crime disparity between those two cities when NYC has been trending downward for a long time, long before stop & frisk? And hasn't Philly's been trending up?

Why do you feel this is a good thing when crime is as low as it has been for decades? Especially when this tactic only turns up something 1 out of 10 times? And I am sure many of those are petty things as well, due to the nature of stop & frisk.

There are a lot of effective police tactics, but I don't like giving up liberties just so they can use them.

Yes, he is. It's disgusting that people think it's a good idea that police can just stop and search people randomly. Very sad that some people are embracing a fascist state.

Exactly. And usually when you give they authorities and inch, they turn it into a mile.

 

[micrometers]

NYC's crime rate drop coincided with Stop and Frisk, which started getting more use with the adaptation of Comp-Stat. S&F isn't a Bloomberg administration innovation. It started really with Giuliani.

When Philadelphia implemented S&F they saw crime decreases. When the ACLU forced them to back off, crime went up.

Sure, there are other factors, but this technique has a direct impact on crime.

 

[monovillage]

I think it's an effective police tactic and a large reason why NYC has a much lower crime rate and better quality of life than Philadelphia.

I'd rather be living in Philadelphia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._C._Fields

Given his fondness for words, maybe he just liked the sound of his own home town's name. This rumor has also morphed into "I would rather be here than in Philadelphia". The anecdote that Fields often remarked, "Philadelphia, wonderful town, spent a week there one night" is unsubstantiated. It is also said that Fields wanted "I'd rather be in Philadelphia" on his gravestone because of the old vaudeville joke among comedians, "I would rather be dead than play Philadelphia". Whatever his actual wishes might have been, the interment marker for his ashes merely bears his stage name and the years of his birth and his death. The genesis of the line as originally phrased can be found in a 1925 article in Vanity Fair entitled "A Group of Artists Write Their Own Epitaphs." The mock-epitaph for Fields reads "Here Lies / W.C. Fields / I Would Rather Be Living in Philadelphia."

 

[cybrsage]

There are accusations of racism in its application, and there are arguments that it makes for safer streets.

I lean towards safer streets.

It is rough if you're an innocent person who repeated gets caught up in these things, but it is possible to train cops to do these things courteously.

Can you say what the stop and frisk is? Link to a specific law about it or such?

 

[Wreckem]

Can you say what the stop and frisk is? Link to a specific law about it or such?

Terry v. Ohio.

NYPD officers conducting stop and frisks do not always comply with Terry v. Ohio. A large number of the stops do not and that is why NYPD/NYC has come under fire for its stop and frisk policy.

Most aren't bashing stop and frisks, they are bashing the improper use of stop and frisks.

 

[PrinceofWands]

I lean so far towards individual rights and freedom that I generally tip over. The government shouldn't have a right to be involved in my life unless/until they receive SOLID evidence that I broke a serious law (ie not a sin law).

 

[cybrsage]

Terry v. Ohio.

NYPD officers conducting stop and frisks do not always comply with Terry v. Ohio. A large number of the stops do not and that is why NYPD/NYC has come under fire for its stop and frisk policy.

Most aren't bashing stop and frisks, they are bashing the improper use of stop and frisks.

Thanks!

Not sure how I feel about this. The ruling says there needs to be a reasonable suspicious of a crime in progress, or about to be in progress, or some immediate safety issue.

If they are randomly frisking people on the street, they are violating the ruling.

 

[Rifter]

If I remember studying your guys constitution correctly(it has been a a while since i was in school, and im not american) is this not a clear violation of it?

 

[Veliko]

This isn't about defending Wall St....but...

...but you'll do it anyway.

I'd rather lose all of my money than be shot and potentially lose use of my legs or my life.

Furthermore, petty street crime gets in the way of economic prosperity, thus preventing people from even building successful businesses in the first place, thus forestalling any potential to lose money

White collar crime has a far bigger negative effect on the economy, and society, than petty street crime does.

White collar crime can create the conditions that leads to petty street crime.