Stop and Frisk: Ain't it great!?

[Don Vito Corleone]

They deal with difficult topics. If they cannot stand up to judgement they should find a different line of work. If there were personal dash cams for cops we'd be able to see everything and completely clear up matters like this.

Indeed. Only an idiot, in my view, would be comfortable with the police approaching citizens and immediately threatening to beat them where all they are "guilty" of is walking around and saying hello to a stranger. In this instance, it happens to be a long-winded, bigoted idiot, but an idiot all the same . . .

 

[SheHateMe]

More transcripts!

Fest yo' eyes.

"You're under investigation right now"

"Investigation of what? I was walking."

"That's not what I saw"

"I was walking."

"You're gonna be in violation if you keep running your mouth when I split your wig open."

"You should take that one just for his friggin' big mouth," one cop says.

"Well they crossed the street on a red light, so..." the other replies.

"Well then don't come to fucking Philadelphia, stay in Jersey," one cop says.

"I have family out here."

"Yeah well then don't come over here, we don't want you here anyway, all you do is weaken the fucking country," the other cop says.

"Yeah? I weaken the country? How I weaken the country? By working?"

"No, freeloading."

At one point, the owner of the phone says that he works as a server at a Country Club...to which the cop replies "Serving weed?"




So yea, I didn't expect Geosurface to pick up on that...since he thinks to two guys who were stopped were the ones mouthing off.

 

[Doppel]

More transcripts!

Fest yo' eyes.







At one point, the owner of the phone says that he works as a server at a Country Club...to which the cop replies "Serving weed?"




So yea, I didn't expect Geosurface to pick up on that...since he thinks to two guys who were stopped were the ones mouthing off.

Maybe these guys started out as decent cops but they have devolved to full-on pig status. They really should be relieved of duty for a long time if not permanently. Can you imagine how many others they have harassed over the years? No reasonable chance this is the first time they have taken a time machine back half a century to harass a minority.

 

[SheHateMe]

Maybe these guys started out as decent cops but they have devolved to full-on pig status. They really should be relieved of duty for a long time if not permanently. Can you imagine how many others they have harassed over the years? No reasonable chance this is the first time they have taken a time machine back half a century to harass a minority.

IA said they were conducting an investigation but that the video would not be considered in the outcome of the investigation.


So, that basically means "we don't care".

 

[Incorruptible]

You know what's great? Stop and frisk!

Stop and frisk is a clear violation of the Constitution but this is what happens when you allow government to grow too large and take away your civil rights.

You gotta love how supporters of big government aren't too happy now that big government abuses the rights of innocent people.

 

[ch33zw1z]

IA said they were conducting an investigation but that the video would not be considered in the outcome of the investigation.


So, that basically means "we don't care".

No, they really don't. This type of treatment was not unusual before "stop and frisk". They really....don't....care. Business as usual.

 

[Doppel]

This is the kind of issue that should be covered by Jesse Jackson et al. Where are they? It is a legitimate gripe, and if he staged a march in front of this police office then you know something would happen.

It is too bad really the guys in this vid do not sue the officers for harassment.

 

[SheHateMe]

This is the kind of issue that should be covered by Jesse Jackson et al. Where are they? It is a legitimate gripe, and if he staged a march in front of this police office then you know something would happen.

It is too bad really the guys in this vid do not sue the officers for harassment.

They're busy,

the ACLU are the ones pushing for IA to investigate.


I guarantee nothing will come of it. After that, I am sure the next step is a lawsuit.

 

[Genx87]

Remember this the next time a politician is feeding you a line of shit about protecting you by letting the state have more capability to arrest criminals or terrorists. The state will turn it on law abiding citizens.

 

[Geosurface]

You guys honestly view a couple of guys in a bad area being seen talking to a known drug dealer, and then having to endure a few minutes of police questioning to ascertain if they were involved in illegal activity, to be some horrible breach of civil rights?

They were spoken to like meatheads from the streets, because that's what they seem to have been. The cops adapt their language to be understood by those they're talking to. If you're talking to a granny, you are nice. If you're talking to a hardass, you have to sound like one yourself or they won't comply at all.

I know a lot of people like to pretend that someone can look like a thug, walk like a thug, and talk like a thug but still magically be a completely ordinary, hard working citizen, but if that does happen it happens so rarely as to not be worth consideration. These cops are working a rough area with drug dealers, they see some guys interracting with a drug dealer, those guys get questioned and they get released. In the course of their questioning, there's some colorful language used by the cops.

Woopty fuckin' doo.

 

[SheHateMe]

Yea, we don't expect you to be sympathetic. We already know your stance on Minorities. You already said you don't mind unconstitutional practices against these people...even if Stop and Frisk has been shown to be a failure.

Their civil liberties don't matter because they said "hi" to someone.

I love your assertion that these two were acting like and dressed like thugs when one was on his way to work (obviously in uniform) and the other who we see briefly in the camera is wearing a hooded sweater that is unzipped with the hood down.

The only people acting like thugs were the cops.



I don't even understand why you are still allowed on this forum. Join Stormfront, already. Vanguard is always looking for new members,too.

 

[Geosurface]

blah blah racist, blah blah stormfront

FTFY.

As I made clear in my earlier posts in this thread, I feel exactly the same way about white people who put off a thug vibe and/or are in a bad area talking to drug dealers, and want the cops to treat them the same way.

There are plenty of white people who are, and who need to be, treated roughly by the cops. The TV show COPS showed plenty of them. A white person can be just as obviously up to no good even if you haven't seen them do anything illegal yet, as any other racial group can.

Sometimes the cops see some white dude slinking around, and they consider what part of town it is... what time of day it is... what the white guy is wearing, how he's walking, how he's looking around, who he's seen interacting with...

all of those things are considered, and I think that's appropriate.

Not surprising that you keep trying to bring it back to race though. It's almost as though in your mind, criminality and thug style are effectively the exact same thing as being black. This puzzles me, because we both know there are plenty of non-black criminals and non-black thugs, as well as plenty of black people who are law-abiding, well spoken, respectful to police, and who don't live their lives in any way which would ever give the police any good reason to mess with them.

When you find a story of one of THEM being messed with by police, let me know and I'll share in your outrage.

 

[SheHateMe]

FTFY.

Not surprising that you keep trying to bring it back to race though.

Possibly because all you do is talk about race and genetics (ahh and your thread is still archived here. I reference it every time you say you aren't racist) . 24/7. And then you act like other people are insane because they call you on it.

Your intentions here are clear. Its obviously your views would be better accepted elsewhere. I.E. Forums where people think exactly like you do.

 

[Geosurface]

Possibly because all you do is talk about race and genetics (ahh and your thread is still archived here. I reference it every time you say you aren't racist) . 24/7. And then you act like other people are insane because they call you on it.

Your intentions here are clear. Its obviously your views would be better accepted elsewhere. I.E. Forums where people think exactly like you do.

All I do is talk about race and genetics? I don't seem to recall mentioning race or genetics in any of the threads I've participated in in the PC Gaming and Console Gaming subforums here... or the Hardware subforums...

I also don't recall mentioning them in the *majority* of P&N and Off Topic threads I've contributed to. A tiny fraction of my posts have included references to race and genetics.

Of course, you proved with your "the guy at the music shop was helping me too much, therefore racism" story, that you have turned your brain into a finely tuned racism detector with a tendency for false positives.

I have no "intentions" on these boards any more than anyone else. I discuss things, and express my thoughts. When I first started using these boards, I hadn't yet formed the opinions I now have which you find so objectionable, so clearly I didn't come here to spread opinions I didn't even have yet.

Stop whining about having to see opinions you disagree with, or see a person you don't like. It's undignified and childish.

 

[SheHateMe]

Of course, you proved with your "the guy at the music shop was helping me too much, therefore racism" story, that you have turned your brain into a finely tuned racism detector with a tendency for false positives.

haha, you didn't even get the story right, but OK. "helping me too much"? That isn't even what I said, he didn't even acknowledge me at all in the store. I don't think my detector is wrong on you. You have gotten in trouble a few times on this forum for racialism, so please...give up the jig. I am not the only one that thinks this about you.

Stop whining about having to see opinions you disagree with, or see a person you don't like. It's undignified and childish.

You're right, maybe I should just put you on ignore because I really don't like you. I think whats undignified is how you can sit around on P&N and say disgusting things about minorities (like you said in this thread) and then when somebody has something to say about it, you act like they are the one with the problem.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

And here we go, yet another shehateme/geosurface love fest.

Maybe you two should get a room or take it to PM.

 

[HumblePie]

Pig cops are pigs. Stop and frisk is if the cops can actually articulate a probable reason for protection or crime prevention of something they believe is about to be committed that allows them to do a stop and frisk. Being a certain nationality, listening to certain music, or wearing certain clothes does not pass the litmus test.

The Terry case in front of the supreme court was because the cops witnesses Terry with his hand in his coat looking like he had a gun there that he was pointing at someone in a "stick up" fashion to steal from them. The gun was hidden from plain sight, but the actions to any 3rd part viewer of what was taking place was readily recognizable. That is the basis for a legal stop and frisk. Not the current crap that cops pull today usually.

 

[Geosurface]

you can sit around on P&N and say disgusting things about minorities (like you said in this thread)

What did I say about minorities?

Oh that's right. Nothing.

I spoke about criminals and those who hang around with them, and they come in all flavors.

 

[SheHateMe]

Pig cops are pigs. Stop and frisk is if the cops can actually articulate a probable reason for protection or crime prevention of something they believe is about to be committed that allows them to do a stop and frisk. Being a certain nationality, listening to certain music, or wearing certain clothes does not pass the litmus test.

The Terry case in front of the supreme court was because the cops witnesses Terry with his hand in his coat looking like he had a gun there that he was pointing at someone in a "stick up" fashion to steal from them. The gun was hidden from plain sight, but the actions to any 3rd part viewer of what was taking place was readily recognizable. That is the basis for a legal stop and frisk. Not the current crap that cops pull today usually.

Yup, the more cops like the ones in the video get exposed, the more people will see what Stop and Frisk is really about.

Its a failure of a program. Most of the stops in S&F result in non-arrests and the harassment of people like the two men in the video.

 

[Darwin333]

A bit ironic that you say it's unconstitutional. The entire practice is based on a 1968 SCOTUS ruling saying the opposite:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_v._Ohio

If you have a problem with the constitutionality of stop and frisk, you should be criticizing the SCOTUS, not the cops.

A direct quote from the link that you provided:

"This reasonable suspicion must be based on "specific and articulable facts" and not merely upon an officer's hunch."

 

[HumblePie]

Yup, the more cops like the ones in the video get exposed, the more people will see what Stop and Frisk is really about.

Its a failure of a program. Most of the stops in S&F result in non-arrests and the harassment of people like the two men in the video.

No the program is fine, it's just the lack of accountability for cops. They have too much power and not enough to reign them in when they screw up. There in lies the problem with the whole damn system. Who watches the watchers?

 

[Jeff7]

A bit ironic that you say it's unconstitutional. The entire practice is based on a 1968 SCOTUS ruling saying the opposite:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_v._Ohio

If you have a problem with the constitutionality of stop and frisk, you should be criticizing the SCOTUS, not the cops.

The Supreme Court has also said that abortion is ok. That doesn't mean everyone's obligated to run out and get one.
Feel free to criticize both the ruling and those who feel that it's ethical to abuse the authority which they were granted in good faith.

You know what's great? Stop and frisk!

Stop and frisk is a clear violation of the Constitution but this is what happens when you allow government to grow too large and take away your civil rights.

You gotta love how supporters of big government aren't too happy now that big government abuses the rights of innocent people.

I trust that you are referring to Republicans and Democrats. (Both sides love to talk about it, but they all always want to cut "something else," usually something that won't rile up their voting base. "Oh well we can't cut that. Come on, that's just crazy!")

 

[BoberFett]

A bit ironic that you say it's unconstitutional. The entire practice is based on a 1968 SCOTUS ruling saying the opposite:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_v._Ohio

If you have a problem with the constitutionality of stop and frisk, you should be criticizing the SCOTUS, not the cops.

I don't think you understand the Terry Stop.

 

[BoberFett]

Wow, these pigs are truly disgusting. They should be fired immediately.

And it's just more evidence that all cops are bad cops. These are just the ones we caught on video. How many talk like this out of earshot? Joke in the locker room about harassing people or beating down "perps."

Disgusting.

 

[woolfe9998]

A direct quote from the link that you provided:

"This reasonable suspicion must be based on "specific and articulable facts" and not merely upon an officer's hunch."

I'm familiar with the legal standard. Reasonable suspicion is a lower standard than probable cause. They have to have something, but not much. Bear in mind that this degree of suspicion only permits a pat down of outer clothing to determine if there are weapons.

Also bear in mind that I was replying to someone who said "stop and frisk" is "unconstitutional." I was correct in pointing out that the practice is sanctioned as constitutional by the SCOTUS. As to whether it is practiced properly in a given case, that of course is another issue entirely.