Stoopid Mechanics!!! RAAWR! (rant)

[Kitros]

I just went to this place(CarX Muffler) to have them replace my old rusted out muffler and perform what should have been a routine oil change...

They... forgot... the OIL...!!!!!!!!!!!!

WTF?!?!

You take oil OUT, replace filter, you put oil IN. What is so hard about that?

They should have done a test run to make sure the muffler had no leaks...

Did they not hear the TICK TICK TICKing?

How did they overlook the ZERO oil pressure reading on my gauge?

Better yet, they are supposed to be professionals!

So, driving back to work (this is my lunch break) I notice no pressure and figured they didn't hook up the gauge correctly. And then I turned down the radio, which was tuned to a different station than mine and was blasting pretty loud... hmmm, what ticking? Idiots. I pull into a gas station and 4 friggin' quarts later, I am back on the road with a very silent car. Called them from work and they ARGUED about it with me.

My, what MORONS we have in this world.

After 10 minutes of company time, he agreed to reimburse me for the oil and to give me a few free oil changes...

WHY the HELL would I want free OIL changes from them?

RRAAAWWRRRR!!

 

[Colt45]

you're lucky you didnt seize the SOB.

 

[ScrapSilicon]

live and learn ..

 

[iamwiz82]

i can only imagine the damage you have already caused to the engine. If i were you, i would have a new engine installed on their dime. Call a lawyer.


I suggest you drain the oil right now and check for metal shavings.

 

[Heisenberg]

Whoa. You're lucky your engine isn't a paperweight.

 

[Eli]

What kind of car are you in?

You probably have extensive engine damage. Don't expect that one to last 200,000 miles. The bigend of your rods are probably shot, along with your mains. Probably some cylinder scuffing too...

Even idling an engine for 5 minutes with no oil will damage it severely.. let alone cruising down the road.

How long do you think you drove with no oil? 10 minutes?

Man.....

If you want your engine to last as long as it can with the damage it's already suffered, I would change that oil again pretty quickly... It's going to be full of metal from your engine running with no oil.

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: Eli
What kind of car are you in?

You probably have extensive engine damage. Don't expect that one to last 200,000 miles. The bigend of your rods are probably shot, along with your mains. Probably some cylinder scuffing too...

Even idling an engine for 5 minutes with no oil will damage it severely.. let alone cruising down the road.

How long do you think you drove with no oil? 10 minutes?

Man.....

If you want your engine to last as long as it can with the damage it's already suffered, I would change that oil again pretty quickly... It's going to be full of metal from your engine running with no oil.

That depends. My old slant 6 ran for a week with no oil in it. It took me that long to notice it. I put oil in it and it ran just fine.

 

[Zenmervolt]

And you didn't watch the oil guage enough to notice that immediately? I'd think that you would have noticed that as soon as you started the car.

"I notice no pressure and figured they didn't hook up the gauge correctly." Uh, you don't disconnect the guage when you're changing the oil.

It's still their fault, and they should pay for all repairs, but I'm really surprised that you didn't notice it sooner.

ZV

 

[deerslayer]

:Q I can't believe you made it that far!

Thats precisely why I change my own oil.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: Eli
What kind of car are you in?

You probably have extensive engine damage. Don't expect that one to last 200,000 miles. The bigend of your rods are probably shot, along with your mains. Probably some cylinder scuffing too...

Even idling an engine for 5 minutes with no oil will damage it severely.. let alone cruising down the road.

How long do you think you drove with no oil? 10 minutes?

Man.....

If you want your engine to last as long as it can with the damage it's already suffered, I would change that oil again pretty quickly... It's going to be full of metal from your engine running with no oil.

That depends. My old slant 6 ran for a week with no oil in it. It took me that long to notice it. I put oil in it and it ran just fine.

Yeah, it can swing both ways a little.. Depends on the materials the engine is made of.. Older engines seem to take more abuse in the short term..

I doubt you'd hardly get a few miles in a high revving Honda engine with no oil.

Did it literally have NO oil in it(no oil pressure), or was it just very very low? Any oil at all will give your engine some protection.. at least your rods and mains are being lubricated.. your valvetrain will suffer big in the long run though. It's downhill quickly if there's absolutely none..

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: Eli
What kind of car are you in?

You probably have extensive engine damage. Don't expect that one to last 200,000 miles. The bigend of your rods are probably shot, along with your mains. Probably some cylinder scuffing too...

Even idling an engine for 5 minutes with no oil will damage it severely.. let alone cruising down the road.

How long do you think you drove with no oil? 10 minutes?

Man.....

If you want your engine to last as long as it can with the damage it's already suffered, I would change that oil again pretty quickly... It's going to be full of metal from your engine running with no oil.

That depends. My old slant 6 ran for a week with no oil in it. It took me that long to notice it. I put oil in it and it ran just fine.

Yeah, it can swing both ways a little.. Depends on the materials the engine is made of.. Older engines seem to take more abuse in the short term..

I doubt you'd hardly get a few miles in a high revving Honda engine with no oil.

Did it literally have NO oil in it(no oil pressure), or was it just very very low? Any oil at all will give your engine some protection.. at least your rods and mains are being lubricated.. your valvetrain will suffer big in the long run though. It's downhill quickly if there's absolutely none..

No oil pressure gauge, just the idiot light. Didn't even register on the dipstick. My friend was there and saw it too. You just can't kill a slant 6. Way more dependable and durable than any japanese or european engine ever built.

The more mileage an engine has, the greater the clearances are. Less chance of direct metal to metal contact. Not to mention a nice sludge build up helps too.

 

[DrumminBoy]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: Eli
What kind of car are you in?

You probably have extensive engine damage. Don't expect that one to last 200,000 miles. The bigend of your rods are probably shot, along with your mains. Probably some cylinder scuffing too...

Even idling an engine for 5 minutes with no oil will damage it severely.. let alone cruising down the road.

How long do you think you drove with no oil? 10 minutes?

Man.....

If you want your engine to last as long as it can with the damage it's already suffered, I would change that oil again pretty quickly... It's going to be full of metal from your engine running with no oil.

That depends. My old slant 6 ran for a week with no oil in it. It took me that long to notice it. I put oil in it and it ran just fine.

Gotta love slants. My first car was a '64 Valiant with a 225 slant 6. I miss her!

 

[Antisocial Virge]

No oil pressure gauge, just the idiot light. Didn't even register on the dipstick. My friend was there and saw it too. You just can't kill a slant 6. Way more dependable and durable than any japanese or european engine ever built.

My friend had a Valient with a slant 6. They don't even have oil pumps. They just spray the oil with the crank :Q And yes, they do last a million miles +1. His got to a point where it would take 4 liters of oil to make the drive to work. He used 80-90 gear oil in it and that lasted a bit longer before it ran dry. Crazy engines.

 

[SuperSix]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
i can only imagine the damage you have already caused to the engine. If i were you, i would have a new engine installed on their dime. Call a lawyer.


I suggest you drain the oil right now and check for metal shavings.

See a lwayer.. quickly..

 

[Evadman]

Mmm.... Slant 6....


That ebing said, your engine probably has internal wear and damage. You get your butt back there and argue and get them to give you a new engine. Get a lawer involved. Just because it did not blow by now doesn't mean it is alright. 5 minutes with no oil is more than enough to kill pretty much any motor.

The ticking was the lifters. They are pumped up by oil. Count them ad damaged. Your rockers are probably stamped steel, and with the huge amount of lash they were enjoying, they are probably bent a little too from being slammed with the push rods. ( well assuming this is not a OHC engine )

Antisocial-Virge: I believe you are incorrect. The slant 6 uses a regular oil pump, not a sling type. I have not seen a sling type in a production motor in quite some time. Of course, the slant 6 was before my time, so I could very well be incorrect. I do know however there was a version with OHC, and a non-pressure lube system will not work very well if at all with OHC.

 

[Vette73]

I was at Autozone and found out that Firestone did a oil change on one of there trucks and tore the motor right up after they didn't put oil in it. Firestone had to buy a new motor for it.

I don't even think the ford truck made it as far as you got.

What is the year make, model, and miles of your car????

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: Evadman
Mmm.... Slant 6....


Antisocial-Virge: I believe you are incorrect. The slant 6 uses a regular oil pump, not a sling type. I have not seen a sling type in a production motor in quite some time. Of course, the slant 6 was before my time, so I could very well be incorrect. I do know however there was a version with OHC, and a non-pressure lube system will not work very well if at all with OHC.

I have little to no info on pre 66 slant 6's. However, newer ones have an external oil pump, similar to Bigblock Mopar and Buick 350/455 v8s.

 

[Kitros]

It's a 1994 Ford Probe.

I drove it for 125 yards, idled for ~1.5 minutes tops.

I did notice it right away, but I was trying to get out of that pking lot.

I have a weird gauge - its a Ford - if any Ford owners know what I'm talking about.

I just turned out of the pking lot drove 40 yards and noticed it after turning down the stereo system they turned up, which kicks on really late.

I ran a slant 6 in my Dodge for 45 minutes before it seized - it was a test - I was trying to destroy it.

I am no n00b when it comes to cars, but thanks for the lecture.

I will bring it in tomorrow for them to check for metal shards - I will be standing there searching.

You must remember, that a car that has been recently drained will not loose the coverage until ~5 minutes of idle. Then it works its way down. I looked inside the case with me maglight and mirror before pouring oil in - top top most gears were still covered. I hear no audible change in my lifters and valves, so I will be satisfied if there are no shards in the oil.

=/

 

[StageLeft]

I'm not surprised the car drove since you weren't going that far and the engine is still lubricated from before, but you wouldn't wanna do that for long. You should not drop the matter anyway...see if they need to give you some MONEY!

 

[Vette73]

Theer will probable not be any metal in the oil, you need to cut the oil filter open to see what has happened.

I would have just let it blow up.

Originally posted by: Kitros
It's a 1994 Ford Probe.

I drove it for 125 yards, idled for ~1.5 minutes tops.

I did notice it right away, but I was trying to get out of that pking lot.

I have a weird gauge - its a Ford - if any Ford owners know what I'm talking about.

I just turned out of the pking lot drove 40 yards and noticed it after turning down the stereo system they turned up, which kicks on really late.

I ran a slant 6 in my Dodge for 45 minutes before it seized - it was a test - I was trying to destroy it.

I am no n00b when it comes to cars, but thanks for the lecture.

I will bring it in tomorrow for them to check for metal shards - I will be standing there searching.

You must remember, that a car that has been recently drained will not loose the coverage until ~5 minutes of idle. Then it works its way down. I looked inside the case with me maglight and mirror before pouring oil in - top top most gears were still covered. I hear no audible change in my lifters and valves, so I will be satisfied if there are no shards in the oil.

=/

 

[Pepsi90919]

I have a weird gauge - its a Ford -

it's a mazda.

 

[Pastore]

dude... cha-ching... the second i realized they forgot the oil I would have said, ROAD TRIP! destroy that freakin engine... then they get to replace it free of cost to you... what were you thinkin!?!?!

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Kitros
It's a 1994 Ford Probe.

I drove it for 125 yards, idled for ~1.5 minutes tops.

I did notice it right away, but I was trying to get out of that pking lot.

I have a weird gauge - its a Ford - if any Ford owners know what I'm talking about.

I just turned out of the pking lot drove 40 yards and noticed it after turning down the stereo system they turned up, which kicks on really late.

I ran a slant 6 in my Dodge for 45 minutes before it seized - it was a test - I was trying to destroy it.

I am no n00b when it comes to cars, but thanks for the lecture.

I will bring it in tomorrow for them to check for metal shards - I will be standing there searching.

You must remember, that a car that has been recently drained will not loose the coverage until ~5 minutes of idle. Then it works its way down. I looked inside the case with me maglight and mirror before pouring oil in - top top most gears were still covered. I hear no audible change in my lifters and valves, so I will be satisfied if there are no shards in the oil.

=/

I don't believe that comment is true.. I mean, of course there's going to be some residual oil on all the parts inside the engine.. but not enough to sustain an oil film for any length of time.. let alone through the nearly 83 revolutions per second your rods and mains see while going through the gears.

The more mileage an engine has, the greater the clearances are. Less chance of direct metal to metal contact. Not to mention a nice sludge build up helps too.

Hmm...I'm not sure that's entirely the case.. while it's true that the clearances are greater, that definately doesen't help things in the condition of no oil. The only thing that keeps metal to metal contact from happening is the molecule-thick layer of oil between the two parts.

When the clearances are greater.. and you run into a no-lubrication situation, the parts are going to be slammed together, and otherwise severely abused... lol

 

[PsychoAndy]

Marlin, Roger, back me up on this one.

Dont repair joints carry insurance that covers acts of incompetence?

-PAB

 

[Kitros]

Unfortunately, I need this car and I am currently involved in 2 lawsuits, don't need extra "stuff" to deal with.

If I was a teenager, going to high school and didn't care too much if I missed a few days, I would have let the thing seize.

=/ Oh well. I asked him to refund half of what it cost for the entire service including exhaust and he gave me 5 free oil changes.

I'm not too worried about it.

Darn luck.