Stock 1650 D6 vs power-limited 1650 Super

[s44]

This is only really an issue because the plague has jacked up most Super prices, but:

I'm planning to run this card at 75-85W for the forseeable future due to thermal constraints (it's a secondary rig, not chasing max frames/PQ). The GDDR6 model shows a nice, ~10% free boost over the original GDDR5 1650, but the idea of buying the Super and running it permanently power-limited is tempting given the closeness in price and the ability to run the Super at full power years later at the end of its use cycle.

Anyone think the extra cores of the Super would enable better performance even when limited to the regular 1650's power envelope?

 

[Bouowmx]

Yes (with undervolting)

For example: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070, 781 mV, 1683 MHz: ~95 W power. For a 1060 to match the FLOPS, it would need 2500 MHz, which is not possible at 120 W (1060's nominal TDP).

Spoiler: Image

 

[VirtualLarry]

Am I the only one confused by the title? As far as I am aware, the ONLY GTX 1650 models with GDDR6, ARE the "Super" versions. There are no "normal" GTX 1650 cards, with GDDR6. So unless there's a typo in the title, I don't understand what he's asking?

 

[Bouowmx]

Am I the only one confused by the title? As far as I am aware, the ONLY GTX 1650 models with GDDR6, ARE the "Super" versions. There are no "normal" GTX 1650 cards, with GDDR6. So unless there's a typo in the title, I don't understand what he's asking?

NVIDIA’s GeForce GTX 1650 GDDR6 Released: GDDR6 Reaching Price Parity With GDDR5

www.anandtech.com

Standard NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 is refreshed with GDDR6.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Oh great, now isn't that confusing. AFAIK, there was no difference between the CC counter between GTX1650 GDDR5 and the Super version.

Way to muddy the waters, NV. And I apologize for not keeping up with developments.

 

[Bouowmx]

there was no difference between the CC counter between GTX1650 GDDR5 and the Super version.

Core count:
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 standard: 896
SUPER: 1280, which was the point of releasing SUPER

 

[VirtualLarry]

Yeah, after reading the AT article, I guess I was wrong, the Super does have more CCs.

So, the GDDR6 GTX1650 is still pointless, as for $10 more, you can have a significantly faster card.

Still, does that meant that the GDDR5 GTX1650 cards are going to be fire-saled? Maybe if they hit $100 ea., they will be at the price-point that they always should have been sold at, and maybe they'll sell a few of them.

Edit: Update, maybe maybe not "fire-saled", but I picked up three of the Gigabyte ITX-style single-fan GDDR5 GTX 1650 cards for $119.99 ea., on factory refurb. (Anyone want to guess, if they'll ship in retail colored boxes just like new, with a "Refurb" sticker covering the serial number area of the box? I've gotten "refurb" cards like that before, I assumed that they were in fact new, but obsolete, so they sold them as refurb.

Then again, the last 3x GTX 1660 ti Gigabyte ITX cards I bought, shipped in "whitebox", so those were IMO true refurbs. Possibly customer returns, with fresh coolers on them. Maybe fan problems or coil whine out of the box? Anyways, those are working fine for me. I've had good luck thus far with (factory) refurb GPUs.

 

[s44]

Yeah, after reading the AT article, I guess I was wrong, the Super does have more CCs.

So, the GDDR6 GTX1650 is still pointless, as for $10 more, you can have a significantly faster card.

Still, does that meant that the GDDR5 GTX1650 cards are going to be fire-saled? Maybe if they hit $100 ea., they will be at the price-point that they always should have been sold at, and maybe they'll sell a few of them.

The Super has two downsides: (1) 25W higher draw, taking it out of the no-connector category that Nvidia has both owned and made tons of money from, and (2) availability at MSRP.

And of course the old 1650 isn't going to be fire saled. This is Nvidia we're talking about here. People have to be really on top of the GPU market to even know that there's a better variant of the regular 1650 to be on the lookout for. And there hasn't been a relevant AMD option under 75W since forever.

 

[Loepotable]

Yeah, after reading the AT article, I guess I was wrong, the Super does have more CCs.

So, the GDDR6 GTX1650 is still pointless, as for $10 more, you can have a significantly faster card.

Still, does that meant that the GDDR5 GTX1650 cards are going to be fire-saled? Maybe if they hit $100 ea., they will be at the price-point that they always should have been sold at, and maybe they'll sell a few of them.

I'm kinda late on this thread but there is an other downside from the 100w power consumption : when you need an external power connector you can't make a low-profile version of the card, so upgrading to gddr6 is a big improvement when you have no space for a full height graphic card.

Yes it's a "niche" market but there are some consumer for these card.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Newegg currently has the eVGA dual-fan "1650 SC Ultra" (GDDR6 version) for $159.99 after $20 promo. (Basically, making it MSRP, but it does have some premium features, like a metal back-plate and such.) I picked one up. It has a 6-pin PCI-E power connector.