Funny,the majority of the country disagrees with you. He would have won by a landslide if he could have run again,no matter who he went up against. Its all in the polls.
I can think of a million things to have to defend GW for,such as his foolish choice for Attorny General among other appointments,stupidity and being strictly the biggest republican puppet I have ever seen. And what about losing the election by making sure that the votes were not counted by having his cronies in the S.C. make him president? Defend that......"i'm a uniter not a divider"..hahahahaha .
Just give Bush a bit of time and i'm sure there will be plenty to defend him about.
Just give Bush a bit of time and i'm sure there will be plenty to defend him about.
<< i am still looking for some accomplishment that Clinton made ... could someone point me to it?
>>
I don't have exact figures to point to, but IIRC:
He had a higher approval rating leaving than going in.
He actually accomplished a higher percentage of his campaign promises than
the previous four presidents.
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What gets me is all you guys who think that anyone is even going to remember
half of what Clinton did or didn't do four years from now.
All that most people seem to care about is that Alan Greenspan is still in
his office.
Nothing like changing the topic, eh democrat sheep? Yep, Bush is a nitwit. But that doesn't make Clinton an honorable man or good president.
Bober and Russ,
No one is saying that Clinton would win a Mr. Congeniality award, but then look at our past presidents, and you tell me which ones have been Honorable. Every president for the past 40 years has been involved in some type of "scandalous" behavior.
What you've been victim to is the idea that the president has to be everything to everyone. It's a result of party politics with one side slandering the other. Clinton's no angel, but he isn't the anti-christ either. He led the country well (though not by example), and ultimately that is how he will be judged in history.
Your antics, and those of your cronies, don't show how pathetic Clinton is, but how weak your arguments are. You have to continue slandering the fellow even after he has left office. Why? Probably to divert attention from what is going on now in the head office, where the new president is effectively using the Constitution as toilet paper to repay his numerous debts to various organizations. I suggest you stop looking at the past president, and look at the present president and carefully review his policies. They are the ones that matter now.
Really, it's time for all the Clinton bashers to get on with their lives. HE AIN'T AROUND ANYMORE.
Move along... there is nothing to see here.
Bober and Russ,
No one is saying that Clinton would win a Mr. Congeniality award, but then look at our past presidents, and you tell me which ones have been Honorable. Every president for the past 40 years has been involved in some type of "scandalous" behavior.
What you've been victim to is the idea that the president has to be everything to everyone. It's a result of party politics with one side slandering the other. Clinton's no angel, but he isn't the anti-christ either. He led the country well (though not by example), and ultimately that is how he will be judged in history.
Your antics, and those of your cronies, don't show how pathetic Clinton is, but how weak your arguments are. You have to continue slandering the fellow even after he has left office. Why? Probably to divert attention from what is going on now in the head office, where the new president is effectively using the Constitution as toilet paper to repay his numerous debts to various organizations. I suggest you stop looking at the past president, and look at the present president and carefully review his policies. They are the ones that matter now.
Really, it's time for all the Clinton bashers to get on with their lives. HE AIN'T AROUND ANYMORE.
Move along... there is nothing to see here.
<< Nothing like changing the topic, eh democrat sheep? >>
Bobber, I've noticed they do that a lot. Redirection tactics are prized by Ds. Rs, on the other hand, stick to more subtle forms of attack like demonization.
CQuinn,
Surely we can do better than that! Clinton did good by backing the family leave act and some disability work. Other than that I'm not coming up with much.
Bobber, I've noticed they do that a lot. Redirection tactics are prized by Ds. Rs, on the other hand, stick to more subtle forms of attack like demonization.
CQuinn,
Surely we can do better than that! Clinton did good by backing the family leave act and some disability work. Other than that I'm not coming up with much.
Quoting these rediculous, idiotic right wing sources designed to feed conservatives what they want to hear. You guys actually are so deluded by these rediculous sources that you come and quote them here trying to convert those who believe otherwise. The most ironic part about these stupid threads is it actually accomplishes just the opposite, making anyone who would be open to the a more right wing point-of-view merely laugh at the stupid source and thus discount conservatives all together. You don't see Liberals quoting Mother Jones here, do you? The sad part is many of the ideas presented by conservatives are excellent and insightful, but b/c the are packaged so stupidly and backed up with questionable sources, the point never gets through and then these threads turn into a conservative "me, too" party. Or is the point of these threads to shrink popular support for right?
Here are some things voters of Clinton and the Republican congress can be proud of:
Unemployment and Inflation- Combined rate: 8.7 percent Lowest average since Johnson, Unemployment fell from 7.5 percent in 1992 to 4.8 percent in July 1997 -- as low as it has been in 24 years -- and has remained under 6 percent for 35 months.
Inflation- 2.8 percent per year Lowest average since Kennedy Underlying inflation -- excluding volatile food and energy components -- was lowest since the Kennedy Administration.
Employment- 12.9 million new jobs Only Administration to exceed 11 million 93 percent of the net new jobs were in the private sector. Over two-thirds of recent employment growth has been in industry/occupation groups paying above-median wages.
Construction Jobs- 1.1 million new jobs Fastest growth since Truman Real construction output has grown 5.7 percent per year -- the fastest rate since the Kennedy Administration.
Consumer Sentiment- Increased 20 percent from January 1993 to July 1997 Highest average since Eisenhower The University of Michigan index reached its highest level ever in July. The Conference Board measure reached its highest level in 28 years in June.
Deficit Reduction- From 4.7 percent of GDP in 1992 to 1.4 in 1996. Expected to be under 0.5 percent in 1997. Largest fall since Truman Deficit down by 87 percent -- from $290 billion in 1992 to an estimated $37 billion in 1997. Budget legislation produces the first balanced
Business Investment- Grew 11.3 percent per year Fastest growth since Kennedy Business investment averaged 7.7 percent of GDP -- the highest share for any Administration since World War II.
Homeownership- Rose from 63.7 to 65.7 percent of households Largest increase on record Reached its highest level in over 15 years.
Poverty Rate- Declined from 15.1 in 1993 to 13.8 in 1995 Largest drop since Johnson Real income for the bottom 20 percent of households has grown 6.8 percent between 1993 and 1995 -- after declining by 7.7 percent between 1979 and 1993.
Median Family Income- Up $1,600 between 1993 and 1995 Fastest growth since Johnson Real net worth per household grew 3.2 percent per year after falling over the previous 4 years.
North American Free Trade Agreement
First Woman Secretary of State: Albright
Family and Medical Leave Act
1994 - Reinstatement Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide, who had been ousted by a military coup in 1991
Here are some things voters of Clinton and the Republican congress can be proud of:
Unemployment and Inflation- Combined rate: 8.7 percent Lowest average since Johnson, Unemployment fell from 7.5 percent in 1992 to 4.8 percent in July 1997 -- as low as it has been in 24 years -- and has remained under 6 percent for 35 months.
Inflation- 2.8 percent per year Lowest average since Kennedy Underlying inflation -- excluding volatile food and energy components -- was lowest since the Kennedy Administration.
Employment- 12.9 million new jobs Only Administration to exceed 11 million 93 percent of the net new jobs were in the private sector. Over two-thirds of recent employment growth has been in industry/occupation groups paying above-median wages.
Construction Jobs- 1.1 million new jobs Fastest growth since Truman Real construction output has grown 5.7 percent per year -- the fastest rate since the Kennedy Administration.
Consumer Sentiment- Increased 20 percent from January 1993 to July 1997 Highest average since Eisenhower The University of Michigan index reached its highest level ever in July. The Conference Board measure reached its highest level in 28 years in June.
Deficit Reduction- From 4.7 percent of GDP in 1992 to 1.4 in 1996. Expected to be under 0.5 percent in 1997. Largest fall since Truman Deficit down by 87 percent -- from $290 billion in 1992 to an estimated $37 billion in 1997. Budget legislation produces the first balanced
Business Investment- Grew 11.3 percent per year Fastest growth since Kennedy Business investment averaged 7.7 percent of GDP -- the highest share for any Administration since World War II.
Homeownership- Rose from 63.7 to 65.7 percent of households Largest increase on record Reached its highest level in over 15 years.
Poverty Rate- Declined from 15.1 in 1993 to 13.8 in 1995 Largest drop since Johnson Real income for the bottom 20 percent of households has grown 6.8 percent between 1993 and 1995 -- after declining by 7.7 percent between 1979 and 1993.
Median Family Income- Up $1,600 between 1993 and 1995 Fastest growth since Johnson Real net worth per household grew 3.2 percent per year after falling over the previous 4 years.
North American Free Trade Agreement
First Woman Secretary of State: Albright
Family and Medical Leave Act
1994 - Reinstatement Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide, who had been ousted by a military coup in 1991
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<< Probably to divert attention from what is going on now in the head office, where the new president is effectively using the Constitution as toilet paper to repay his numerous debts to various organizations. I suggest you stop looking at the past president, and look at the present president and carefully review his policies. They are the ones that matter now. >>
I guess when Clinton wiped his ass with the Constitution it was OK because you're a Democrat? Turnabout is fair play.
When did Clinton wipe his ass with the constitution? More babble from the right-wingers?
And why don't you respond to Raspewtin? Or is it that your arguments are truly Shakesperean? As in "Full of Sound And Fury, Signifying nothing"
Out out brief candle, time to go to bed Bober like a good little Repbulican Troll...
And why don't you respond to Raspewtin? Or is it that your arguments are truly Shakesperean? As in "Full of Sound And Fury, Signifying nothing"
Out out brief candle, time to go to bed Bober like a good little Repbulican Troll...
lol, who's the troll in this tread... let's just think about that.
started as thread about clinton's pardon of a FELON, then turns into thread defending clinton and the pardoning of a FELON is lost in republican bashing. great...
lol, some people on this board. :disgust:
started as thread about clinton's pardon of a FELON, then turns into thread defending clinton and the pardoning of a FELON is lost in republican bashing. great...
lol, some people on this board. :disgust:
Yes DC, let's think about it....
During this time where we are supposed to come back together as a nation -- as one people -- there are people who for the sake of what-I-Dont-Know try to keep the nation torn apart. Usually, it is the republican "ha-has!" blasting democrats, and this is why I was trying to point out that the war is over. We have a republican president, so isnt' that enough for you? Or do you have to keep insulting everyone who doesn't share your point of view?
Let the past be the past... we can't change it. Look to the future, that's the scary part. And not just because of "W", but because the economy is slowing down, layoffs abound, and uncertainty is rife.
That's my point. If it sounds like Trolling then I suggest you read it again, and this time pay attention.
~Ko
During this time where we are supposed to come back together as a nation -- as one people -- there are people who for the sake of what-I-Dont-Know try to keep the nation torn apart. Usually, it is the republican "ha-has!" blasting democrats, and this is why I was trying to point out that the war is over. We have a republican president, so isnt' that enough for you? Or do you have to keep insulting everyone who doesn't share your point of view?
Let the past be the past... we can't change it. Look to the future, that's the scary part. And not just because of "W", but because the economy is slowing down, layoffs abound, and uncertainty is rife.
That's my point. If it sounds like Trolling then I suggest you read it again, and this time pay attention.
~Ko
No real argument? Hey, just attack the source.
Well, since I live to enlighten the ignorant, I will tell you liberals something. The author, Michelle Malkin, knows her stuff. She is one of the most thorough researchers and a very respected journalist. She is also NOT a radical right winger. More conservative then you pinkos? Sure, but then who isn't. I know, I met her when she was writing for the Seattle Times.
One could almost even look the other way if this were the only slimeball that Slick Willy pardoned. It is not. The list is a long and blighted one. He even pardoned one who is a fugitive.
<< such as his foolish choice for Attorny General among other appointments >>
veryape,
It appears that 58 Senators disagree with your assessment. HaHa.
Russ, NCNE
Well, since I live to enlighten the ignorant, I will tell you liberals something. The author, Michelle Malkin, knows her stuff. She is one of the most thorough researchers and a very respected journalist. She is also NOT a radical right winger. More conservative then you pinkos? Sure, but then who isn't. I know, I met her when she was writing for the Seattle Times.
One could almost even look the other way if this were the only slimeball that Slick Willy pardoned. It is not. The list is a long and blighted one. He even pardoned one who is a fugitive.
<< such as his foolish choice for Attorny General among other appointments >>
veryape,
It appears that 58 Senators disagree with your assessment. HaHa.
Russ, NCNE
ok, you go calling bober a troll. why? because he also notices the topic being changed away from the subject of this tread? It was started to bring attention to clinton's despicable actions and his moral character(haha), you guys come in to defend him with stats and stuff about the government and status of the nation. if you guys believe he did a good job, feel free to believe what you like, but that CANNOT be used to defend his actions and pardoning of criminals. just because you guys think he did a good job as a president doesn't mean he is then pardoned from his actions/wrongdoings. you think about it.
Politicians=Suck. If anyone can name 1 good one there are 100 to dispute it. Cant please everyone all the time, not even the messiah could do that...
still feels like a waste of time trying to defend one corner and level the other, youre right politics do suck.
i really especailly hate those on here and those around us who think because they stand in a certain corner they are better than the next. egotistical pricks.
i really especailly hate those on here and those around us who think because they stand in a certain corner they are better than the next. egotistical pricks.
As far as I remember, President Carter was not involved in any "scandalous" behavior. He was a bad President but is an honorable man.
First of all, this could very well be bull$hit. Who the hell has ever heard of 'Jewish World Review'? Not me.
I agree with Kosugi. People are just digging up dirt because they have nothing better to do, and it seems like Clinton is just unfortunately being picked on more than the other president's you've had.
I can't believe mature people here act like retards when the issue about politics (more precise, the US presidency) comes up.
I agree with Kosugi. People are just digging up dirt because they have nothing better to do, and it seems like Clinton is just unfortunately being picked on more than the other president's you've had.
I can't believe mature people here act like retards when the issue about politics (more precise, the US presidency) comes up.
And the thing is people are so easy to criticize...i don't favor either party but i do believe Clinton did do a very effective job as president. Some of you guys talk but i seriously doubt any of you could do the job half as well as Clinton did.
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