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Stick with AMD or go P4?

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dynasty

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I recently built a new computer about 3 months ago. I put an Asus a7n8x deluxe motherboard and AMD 2100+ processor. Well I have talked to a few people and some friends have gotten p4's and said that they saw a huge difference in games like fps and things like that in games such as ut2k3. Well I have been thinking about upgrading my cpu. I thought about getting an AMD 2500+ or get an Asus P4P800 motherboard and get an Intel Pentium 4 2.4 800mhz processor. I don't know what to do. I have some people tell me to go with the new AMD some with P4 and some have told me that I won't see a difference in performance. Well I would like to see what you all think about this. And if you do recommend the P4 should I go with the 2.4 800mhz? Do you really see a big difference in 533 and 800mhz fsb? Thanks for your help. My aim and email are at the bottom if you want to talk with me. Thanks

aim: patton308

email: patton307@charter.net
 
Since u have plenty of money...have both....build yourself a 2nd system with a P4 2.2ghz processor...

ps: I doubt either a 2500+ or P4 2.4ghz (which are said to be approximately on par) would give you that much of a boost from a 2100+
 
If you're looking for gaming performance, you should be looking at your video card first... what kind do you have now? Unless you have a 9700 Pro or better, I'd do that before I get a new CPU. Also, a few games are already using 700-800 MB of RAM... and they'll only need more as time goes by, so if you don't already have 1 GB of PC3200 RAM, that's another smart upgrade you should consider.
 
Originally posted by: dynasty
I recently built a new computer about 3 months ago. I put an Asus a7n8x deluxe motherboard and AMD 2100+ processor. Well I have talked to a few people and some friends have gotten p4's and said that they saw a huge difference in games like fps and things like that in games such as ut2k3. Well I have been thinking about upgrading my cpu. I thought about getting an AMD 2500+ or get an Asus P4P800 motherboard and get an Intel Pentium 4 2.4 800mhz processor. I don't know what to do. I have some people tell me to go with the new AMD some with P4 and some have told me that I won't see a difference in performance. Well I would like to see what you all think about this. And if you do recommend the P4 should I go with the 2.4 800mhz? Do you really see a big difference in 533 and 800mhz fsb? Thanks for your help. My aim and email are at the bottom if you want to talk with me. Thanks

aim: patton308

email: patton307@charter.net
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What did they have before the P4? You won't notice much difference between a P4 or Athlon at the same spedd(P4/mhz vs Athlon/model #) with the naked eye. If those people are saying a P4 is a lot faster than an Athlon in games at the same speed, they are full of it.
 
If I were you, I'd just upgrade the AMD processor. It should give you what you're looking for, in terms of increased performance, and you won't be wasting any money. As for FSB, There may be some benefits there to a larger FSB, but I don't think it would make so much of a difference that you need to go out and buy a whole new Intel rig just for that. I have both an AMD and an Intel P4 rig, and I'm very happy with both. Also, as another member said, if you're into gaming, your money will be better spent on a top of the line video card, so you could go that route as well.
 
I think there are things coming into play now making AMD vs Intel questions more difficult, the processors are more different than they have ever been in the past....the divide started when they began to use different sockets/(slots)....I think in the future, they may even occupy different market sectors....I think Intel dominating the Business market and AMD dominating the home market could be a real possibility.
 
Intel is killing Socket 478 very soon, so that is no upgrade route. Neither is the AMD, as Hammer is looming.

I've learned to buy for today, not for tomorrow. What good does it do me if I have a Sock A board that doesn't take a Barton? Would it have helped if I stashed tons of PC2100 for my "next computer?" Nope.

If you're buying for today, you could toss in a Barton 2500+ at around $85 and get a ton of cache to make your XP box faster and to use the 166 bus on the Asus if you're not doing so already. That'd be a reasonably cheap upgrade provided you find a way to sell the 2100+.
 
Add a 2500+ Barton plus PC3200 RAM, a BIOS update and an overclock to 200Mhz FSB and you're running at 3200+. And your friends are sucking wind.
 
Originally posted by: Macro2
Add a 2500+ Barton plus PC3200 RAM, a BIOS update and an overclock to 200Mhz FSB and you're running at 3200+. And your friends are sucking wind.
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hhaha, yes that would do it...

What type of memory are you currently running..?
 
Corsair but any PC3200 DDR ram should work as it's rated at 200 mhz FSB. CL3.
I'm also assuming he can flash his bios to get to 200 mhz FSB.

He can likely sell his PC2100 if thats what he has...so say $87 for a 2500+ Barton and another $100 for 512 of DDR PC3200 less what he can get for his Old RAM. Say $150 for the upgrade.

Also his freinds with the P4s are full of it. Lets talk video cards, too.


 
I have an ATI sapphire 9500non-pro 128mb. I have softmodded it up to a 9800 and haven't oced the core or the memory yet and it is beating a nvidia 5600 256mb. I think I'm fine on video cards for a few more months. I have a stick of crucial 512mb pc2700 and plan on getting a stick of geil 512mb pc3200 in a couple weeks. I just really want to try intel for awhile and see what it is like. But the 2500 is another option to still. Thanks for all the help
 
Join the darkside as I have...


but seriously if you don't have $400 then don't do it because p4 chips + mobo + suitable ram = alot

if you don't have that much then go with the bartons.
 
Honestly, consider either a faster video card or a faster AthlonXP processor. I think you might be dissapointed in the game-speed-boost-for-the-price if you spend the money required for a new motherboard, processor and (possibly) new RAM, but with the same video card.

If every ounce of speed is that important, then do what you need to do. But for $100 you can get a Barton 2500+ processor, which would be a noticable improvement over your 2100+. Add the 2500+ and bump your FSB up towards 400MHz if you RAM can handle it (your Asus motherboard should be able to handle it).

Is the difference between 138fps on an AthlonXP vs. 145fps on a P4 worth $400 or more to you?

Not trying to bring up the AMD vs. Intel thing again, just the financial investment vs. return thing.
 
Is the difference between 138fps on an AthlonXP vs. 145fps on a P4 worth $400 or more to you?
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*cough* bs *cough*

Maybe that closed compared to a 2.4ghz.....if you are talking about a 3ghz($400 you said), that will blow away a 2500+.. thx Also as the admins stated, NO AMD VS INTEL threads, this will probably get locked.
 
Originally posted by: modempower
Is the difference between 138fps on an AthlonXP vs. 145fps on a P4 worth $400 or more to you?
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*cough* bs *cough*

Maybe that closed compared to a 2.4ghz.....if you are talking about a 3ghz($400 you said), that will blow away a 2500+.. thx Also as the admins stated, NO AMD VS INTEL threads, this will probably get locked.
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duh!
 
Originally posted by: modempower
Is the difference between 138fps on an AthlonXP vs. 145fps on a P4 worth $400 or more to you?
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*cough* bs *cough*

Maybe that closed compared to a 2.4ghz.....if you are talking about a 3ghz($400 you said), that will blow away a 2500+.. thx Also as the admins stated, NO AMD VS INTEL threads, this will probably get locked.
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I think he included the motherboard and new ram in that price 😉
 
Its all a matter of personal preferance. I personally would go with the amd... also I believe that the 2500+ barton is supposed to be good for overclocking is it not? Likely the same with the p4... though I see you have only had that processor for three months... so why not oc it and see what speeds you can get and if you still have problems with performance then upgrade... if not then save your cash and get a better video card with what you saved.
 
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