Steve Moore settles decade-old suit (NHL)

[Adrenaline]

ESPN Article

This (quickly shows the punch) is a recap of what led to the suckerpunch and career ending injury.

Moore should have sued for more money.

I quit watching the NHL after this. All Bertuzzi got was a 20 game suspension (don't count the following year they had no hockey), which should have been a great deal more.

 

[z1ggy]

So you quit watching hockey because of some jackass' actions? It's not like things such as that event take place regularly. It's the NHL. News flash, a lot of these guys aren't all too bright and do stupid things all the time.

 

[highland145]

retribution for a hit made by Moore on Canucks captain Markus Naslund in a previous game.

Live by the sword...

 

[Adrenaline]

So you quit watching hockey because of some jackass' actions? It's not like things such as that event take place regularly. It's the NHL. News flash, a lot of these guys aren't all too bright and do stupid things all the time.

When the NHL does not care enough to take action against an act like this, why bother caring about a league that does not care for its own players?

There was no event that took place like this regularly. Show me a video where someone suckerpunches someone in the back of their head and slams that person's head into the ice causing a career ending injury.

I will check back later for this revelation.

 

[Adrenaline]

Live by the sword...

It was not a good hit on Naslund and he got penalized for it. If I remember correctly, Moore had already fought someone earlier in that game (the one he was injured in). It should have been done with. What happened to Moore, Bertuzzi should have been suspended a lot longer or outright banned until Moore could play again. Since Moore was totally unable to play again, the NHL would have been better off with Bertuzzi not playing at all.

 

[smackababy]

When the NHL does not care enough to take action against an act like this, why bother caring about a league that does not care for its own players?

There was no event that took place like this regularly. Show me a video where someone suckerpunches someone in the back of their head and slams that person's head into the ice causing a career ending injury.

I will check back later for this revelation.

Isn't there a player on the Penguins known for his dirty, blindside hits?

 

[Train]

It was not a good hit on Naslund and he got penalized for it. If I remember correctly, Moore had already fought someone earlier in that game. It should have been done with. What happened to him, Bertuzzi should have been suspended a lot long or outright banned until Moore could play again. Since Moore was totally unable to play again, the NHL would have been better off with Bertuzzi not playing at all.

Should the NHL penalize players for the injury instead of the action that cause it?

It was a freak injury. You hit 100 players in the same way on any given night, and the other 99 will skate away just fine. But 100 guys will get penalties, probably even suspensions.

If that hit by itself was bad enough for a lifetime ban, you could ban about half the players currently in the NHL.

 

[Adrenaline]

Isn't there a player on the Penguins known for his dirty, blindside hits?

Does he suckerpunch someone in the back of their head and drive their head into the ice ending their career?

 

[z1ggy]

When the NHL does not care enough to take action against an act like this, why bother caring about a league that does not care for its own players?

There was no event that took place like this regularly. Show me a video where someone suckerpunches someone in the back of their head and slams that person's head into the ice causing a career ending injury.

I will check back later for this revelation.

LOL I guess you don't like the NHL either.

Yeah I mean come on, nobody is going to defend horrendous crap like that, but terrible blindside dirty hits happen multiple times per year, every single year in the NHL. Stepan got crushed by Prust this year in the play offs which broke his jaw, and very well could have knocked him out cold. Do you want Prust to go to jail or something..? It was a dirty hit, seconds after Stepan had passed the puck and the NHL punished Prust as they saw fit.

All in all, it's not our place to judge these players. Just in shock you literally abandoned an amazing sport over this issue.

 

[Adrenaline]

Should the NHL penalize players for the injury instead of the action that cause it?

It was a freak injury. You hit 100 players in the same way on any given night, and the other 99 will skate away just fine. But 100 guys will get penalties, probably even suspensions.

If that hit by itself was bad enough for a lifetime ban, you could ban about half the players currently in the NHL.

If you do a deliberate act to injure someone, you should be punished harshly for it.

Moore is suckerpunched and then his head slammed into the ice.

 

[highland145]

It was not a good hit on Naslund and he got penalized for it. If I remember correctly, Moore had already fought someone earlier in that game (the one he was injured in). It should have been done with. What happened to Moore, Bertuzzi should have been suspended a lot longer or outright banned until Moore could play again. Since Moore was totally unable to play again, the NHL would have been better off with Bertuzzi not playing at all.

They should fine/suspend them all for fighting but I guess the fans want a blood sport.

 

[Adrenaline]

LOL I guess you don't like the NHL either.

Yeah I mean come on, nobody is going to defend horrendous crap like that, but terrible blindside dirty hits happen multiple times per year, every single year in the NHL. Stepan got crushed by Prust this year in the play offs which broke his jaw, and very well could have knocked him out cold. Do you want Prust to go to jail or something..? It was a dirty hit, seconds after Stepan had passed the puck and the NHL punished Prust as they saw fit.

All in all, it's not our place to judge these players. Just in shock you literally abandoned an amazing sport over this issue.

Did he go after the individual with a vendetta? Did he suckerpunch him and slam his head into the ice?

I quit being a fan of the NHL when they let a 20 game suspension suffice for this incident.

Edit:

I looked up the hit you referenced. I believe I found it. It is a bad hit, but not in the same league as the one on Moore.

 

[Train]

If you do a deliberate act to injure someone, you should be punished harshly for it.

Moore is suckerpunched and then his head slammed into the ice.

You didn't answer the question: "Should the NHL penalize players for the injury instead of the action that cause it?"

You make it sound like Bertuzzi intended to make Moore a cripple. Do you have any evidence of this? If not, stop it.

 

[z1ggy]

Did he go after the individual with a vendetta? Did he suckerpunch him and slam his head into the ice?

I quit being a fan of the NHL when they let a 20 game suspension suffice for this incident.

So you're basing your knee jerk reaction to one small outburst over the nearly century old NHL?

Moore did all he could by suing the team/player responsible for his injury and suffering. If you think this was assault, then the district attorney should have been bringing assault charges on Bertuzzi.

Btw, you're missing some great hockey lately. Shame really.

Edit: You edited your post and it's not quoted here I think... but the hit made by Prust is similar in context. It was a rebuttal hit, done purposely to harm Stepan. He went full speed, shoulder to jaw and caused bodily harm. It's really not fair to base a punishment on the injury caused, like stated above. If Prust had done the same thing and Stepan was totally okay.. Would you tell me he should have only got a 2 minute minor for roughing? Or if he had broken Stepan's neck and ruined his career...should he have gotten more than 2 games?

To be unbiased and fair, the NHL needs to punish the act which was done, not the resulting injury. If the act is deemed outside of the sporting event and purposely done to cause great harm, then charges should be brought against that player for assault.

 

[rcpratt]

Sad that this kind of crap takes this long to litigate.

 

[Adrenaline]

You didn't answer the question: "Should the NHL penalize players for the injury instead of the action that cause it?"

You make it sound like Bertuzzi intended to make Moore a cripple. Do you have any evidence of this? If not, stop it.

The NHL should look at both and they did not with the case of Moore / Bertuzzi. Bertuzzi went after him with a vendetta to hurt him and he far exceeded that. Look up what Bertuzzi was saying about Moore before this game.

Considering he suckerpunched him and slammed his head into the ice, do you have any proof Bertuzzi did not intend to hurt Moore badly? It just so happens, his deliberate actions ended another player's career. Yes, he should be punished severely for this. The NHL should have made a stance that they won;t tolerate crap like that in their league, but they failed to do so.

So you're basing your knee jerk reaction to one small outburst over the nearly century old NHL?

Moore did all he could by suing the team/player responsible for his injury and suffering. If you think this was assault, then the district attorney should have been bringing assault charges on Bertuzzi.

Btw, you're missing some great hockey lately. Shame really.

Edit: You edited your post and it's not quoted here I think... but the hit made by Prust is similar in context. It was a rebuttal hit, done purposely to harm Stepan. He went full speed, shoulder to jaw and caused bodily harm. It's really not fair to base a punishment on the injury caused, like stated above. If Prust had done the same thing and Stepan was totally okay.. Would you tell me he should have only got a 2 minute minor for roughing? Or if he had broken Stepan's neck and ruined his career...should he have gotten more than 2 games?

To be unbiased and fair, the NHL needs to punish the act which was done, not the resulting injury.

The DA was investigating it for charges. They did not pursue charges because they would have had to do this for all kinds of on ice incidents. I forgot what got them to not file charges, but I believe they had a talk with some people in hockey and decided not to file.

If you punish the act that was done, what would be a proper punishment for suckerpunching someone and slamming their head into the ice. It just so happened that his career was ended over a petty vendetta. I think 20 games was far too lenient. He should have had a year at a minimum (the lockout of 2004-2005 should not count for suspended time).

You are right though, the NHL was extremely fun to watch.

The one doing the hit in the video I looked up should have been suspended. He went straight at the players head. That is not called for whatsoever and he deserved to be thrown out or suspended for it. How many games, I do not know.

 

[Train]

The NHL should look at both and they did not with the case of Moore / Bertuzzi.

I'm pretty sure they took the injury into account. You just aren't happy with the results.

Bertuzzi went after him with a vendetta to hurt him and he far exceeded that. Look up what Bertuzzi was saying about Moore before this game.

Players talk shit about eachother all the time... so what?

Considering he suckerpunched him and slammed his head into the ice, do you have any proof Bertuzzi did not intend to hurt Moore badly?

He didn't "slam" his head into the ice, Moore fell unconsciously, Bertuzzi fell on top of him. For all we know, Moore's own teammates piling on could have done the damage.

It just so happens, his deliberate actions ended another player's career. Yes, he should be punished severely for this. The NHL should have made a stance that they won;t tolerate crap like that in their league, but they failed to do so.

But they, like rational minded people, punished the act, not the unfortunate after effects.

 

[smackababy]

Does he suckerpunch someone in the back of their head and drive their head into the ice ending their career?

He has routinely injured players with blind hits and been penalized for it, IIRC. While not a sucker punch, I can't imagine putting your entire body into someone skating backwards is much safer. As far as I know, he hasn't ended anyone's career, but that doesn't mean much. His hits are not only illegal, but dangerous and could potentially end someone's career.

 

[z1ggy]

The NHL should look at both and they did not with the case of Moore / Bertuzzi. Bertuzzi went after him with a vendetta to hurt him and he far exceeded that. Look up what Bertuzzi was saying about Moore before this game.

Considering he suckerpunched him and slammed his head into the ice, do you have any proof Bertuzzi did not intend to hurt Moore badly? It just so happens, his deliberate actions ended another player's career. Yes, he should be punished severely for this. The NHL should have made a stance that they won;t tolerate crap like that in their league, but they failed to do so.



The DA was investigating it for charges. They did not pursue charges because they would have had to do this for all kinds of on ice incidents. I forgot what got them to not file charges, but I believe they had a talk with some people in hockey and decided not to file.

If you punish the act that was done, what would be a proper punishment for suckerpunching someone and slamming their head into the ice. It just so happened that his career was ended over a petty vendetta. I think 20 games was far too lenient. He should have had a year at a minimum (the lockout of 2004-2005 should not count for suspended time).

You are right though, the NHL was extremely fun to watch.

The one doing the hit in the video I looked up should have been suspended. He went straight at the players head. That is not called for whatsoever and he deserved to be thrown out or suspended for it. How many games, I do not know.

Well I'm not sure what to say. The NHL probably has a handbook in place or a guideline that states on the policy of giving out suspensions. Brandon Prust is the guy dishing the hit on Stepan. He was suspended for two games for that hit. So using that as a guide line, Bertuzzi did something 10x as worse than fracturing a guys jaw in multiple places and probably giving him a minor concussion.

I'd like to think Bertuzzi didn't want to end this guy's career, let alone literally break his neck. It was misguided hockey rage that ended very poorly for Moore and obviously shouldn't happen. He was likely awarded tens of millions of dollars for his suffering.

Just sad that the NHL lost a fan over this, I think it's a bit of an over reaction by you. At least you still watch college?

 

[darkswordsman17]

Wow, what a punkass bitch move.

Also, freak accident my ass. Acting like this is typical in the NHL is so horseshit. Yes sometimes freak injuries do happen, and yes there's plenty of dirty play (although saying that, should, if anything, make you realize that yeah the NHL does not do a good job of addressing it which is why they still have problems with it), but this is above and beyond. This is a cowardly move that has a very high chance of causing serious injury. This is not far from taking your stick to the back of the guy's neck.

Seriously, some of you think that sucker punching a guy and driving him downward while moving isn't almost guaranteeing a serious injury? WTF?

You didn't answer the question: "Should the NHL penalize players for the injury instead of the action that cause it?"

You make it sound like Bertuzzi intended to make Moore a cripple. Do you have any evidence of this? If not, stop it.

Hmm, I'll have to remember to use that defense should I ever do something so stupid/malicious. "Your honor, I didn't mean to kill people driving drunk, so I should just get suspended from work for a month or so, right?" "Yeah sure, I meant to sucker punch the guy and drive him into the ice, but I didn't mean for me slamming him head first into the ice to injure him so badly!"

Take punkass actions and suffer the consequences for those actions.

 

[Train]

Wow, what a punkass bitch move.

Also, freak accident my ass. Acting like this is typical in the NHL is so horseshit. Yes sometimes freak injuries do happen, and yes there's plenty of dirty play (although saying that, should, if anything, make you realize that yeah the NHL does not do a good job of addressing it which is why they still have problems with it), but this is above and beyond. This is a cowardly move that has a very high chance of causing serious injury. This is not far from taking your stick to the back of the guy's neck.

Seriously, some of you think that sucker punching a guy and driving him downward while moving isn't almost guaranteeing a serious injury? WTF?



Hmm, I'll have to remember to use that defense should I ever do something so stupid/malicious. "Your honor, I didn't mean to kill people driving drunk, so I should just get suspended from work for a month or so, right?" "Yeah sure, I meant to sucker punch the guy and drive him into the ice, but I didn't mean for me slamming him head first into the ice to injure him so badly!"

Take punkass actions and suffer the consequences for those actions.

He did suffer consequences, he got a 20 game suspension. The OP's issue is this wasn't harsh enough.

I think the NHL should hand out MORE 20 game suspensions. A lot of punishment dished out by the player safety office has been too favorable to star players, or because it was during the playoffs.

 

[Adrenaline]

Well I'm not sure what to say. The NHL probably has a handbook in place or a guideline that states on the policy of giving out suspensions. Brandon Prust is the guy dishing the hit on Stepan. He was suspended for two games for that hit. So using that as a guide line, Bertuzzi did something 10x as worse than fracturing a guys jaw in multiple places and probably giving him a minor concussion.

I'd like to think Bertuzzi didn't want to end this guy's career, let alone literally break his neck. It was misguided hockey rage that ended very poorly for Moore and obviously shouldn't happen. He was likely awarded tens of millions of dollars for his suffering.

Just sad that the NHL lost a fan over this, I think it's a bit of an over reaction by you. At least you still watch college?

I watch college hockey some times. Hockey is an awesome sport to watch.

 

[mmntech]

They should fine/suspend them all for fighting but I guess the fans want a blood sport.

Fighting is banned in Junior A hockey. Soon as those gloves come off, you're out for the remainder of the game.

The amount of fighting in the NHL is controversial. Especially when you have idiots like Don Cherry going up there and saying how it's an integral part of the game. It really is all about blood sport though, no different than boxing or UFC. There are a lot of people who only watch the game the fights. The NHL knows that, and they have no intention of changing it. Especially as they try to push into markets outside Canada and the north-eastern US.

Hockey will always be a rough sport but dropping your gloves and whaling on some due on the other team just strikes me as being childish. Though half those players can't even count to potato, so it's not a big shock that they're still all for it.