Steve Bannon indicted as part of crowdfunding campaign to build border wall

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Grey_Beard

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So here’s something interesting—why did SDNY need to make this case with postal inspectors and local/state authorities but NOT FBI???

Answer: Because when Berman (and later Wray) brought the case to Barr’s attention (as required by Barr’s directive on screening any politically damaging cases in the election year) FBI was told to stand down and Berman was fired. Timeline also coincides with DeJoy taking over at USPS.

At least...that’s the theory some intrepid folks are digging into now.

But look over there....It’s the CABAL!!!! Maybe we should rename the whole thing from Q to Z.
 

Maxima1

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So here’s something interesting—why did SDNY need to make this case with postal inspectors and local/state authorities but NOT FBI???

Answer: Because when Berman (and later Wray) brought the case to Barr’s attention (as required by Barr’s directive on screening any politically damaging cases in the election year) FBI was told to stand down and Berman was fired. Timeline also coincides with DeJoy taking over at USPS.

At least...that’s the theory some intrepid folks are digging into now.

Here is what I don't get: why is Pelosi afraid of exposing Barr (and preempting his inevitable "investigation of the investigators) and Trump again when they clearly want to hide it all (i.e. you do the opposite of what they want)? Hell, they could have done that with the Stone commutation had they actually had some serious investigations. Democrats have the goods, yet think it'll harm them. Republicans don't have the goods (e.g. Benghazi), yet it's beneficial for them to string that along for a whole term. It's fucking stupid logic.

 
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cytg111

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Dems should fire another barrel. Let it rip through elections. Motivate people to vote. It all really is on the line.
 

dawp

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So here’s something interesting—why did SDNY need to make this case with postal inspectors and local/state authorities but NOT FBI???

Answer: Because when Berman (and later Wray) brought the case to Barr’s attention (as required by Barr’s directive on screening any politically damaging cases in the election year) FBI was told to stand down and Berman was fired. Timeline also coincides with DeJoy taking over at USPS.

At least...that’s the theory some intrepid folks are digging into now.
that does seem plausible. and the timing is right, the shenanigans with the sorting machines is just an added benifit
 

Jhhnn

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Here is what I don't get: why is Pelosi afraid of exposing Barr (and preempting his inevitable "investigation of the investigators) and Trump again when they clearly want to hide it all (i.e. you do the opposite of what they want)? Hell, they could have done that with the Stone commutation had they actually had some serious investigations. Democrats have the goods, yet think it'll harm them. Republicans don't have the goods (e.g. Benghazi), yet it's beneficial for them to string that along for a whole term. It's fucking stupid logic.


That's ridiculous. Pelosi isn't afraid of exposing Barr. He already exposed himself. There is only one answer to Trump & ScamCo Inc.- the election. Just vote. Get a tiny piece of Trump's ass for your very own.
 
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ivwshane

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Someone is going to have to explain how the post office is involved here. I wasn’t aware that the post office had such power.
 
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Heard on the radio, Bannon would have avoided these problems if he simply didn’t state 100% raised goes toward the wall.
If the didn’t make that claim they’d be in the clear.
 

trenchfoot

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It is absolutely amazing to watch conservatives immediately just to defend the very people who keep ripping them off time after time just because they are on "their side". It's like the NRA. They don't care they they are being defrauded if it screws those Dems.


Good point. The NRA is very much like FOX News, Rush Limbaugh, etc. in that they have all been corrupted to their very core by those who wish to run the gov't without being scrutinized and approved of through the electoral process. The Repub Party being the clearinghouse and platform from which those corrupted asshats gather and "strategerize" their attacks on democracy.
 
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alien42

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Someone is going to have to explain how the post office is involved here. I wasn’t aware that the post office had such power.

if the crooks used the USPS as part of their scheme, be it sending and receiving money or something else, i believe that's how it works.
 
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Meghan54

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Someone is going to have to explain how the post office is involved here. I wasn’t aware that the post office had such power.

Postal inspectors are federally sworn law enforcement officers that can *gasp* even carry guns.


(Taken from link above):

1. What are Postal Inspectors? Postal Inspectors are federal law enforcement agents responsible for enforcing more than 200 federal statutes involving crimes against the United States Postal Service, the U.S. Mail and its customers.

2. What are the responsibilities of the Postal Inspection Service? The Postal Inspection Service is responsible for protecting postal employees and the mails; enforcing postal laws; ensuring plant and personnel security; conducting various internal audits within the Postal Service; and conducting criminal investigations and presenting evidence to U.S. Attorneys and other prosecutors on these investigations.

3. What authority do Postal Inspectors have under the law? As sworn federal law enforcement agents, Postal Inspectors have the power to serve warrants and subpoenas issued under the authority of the United States; make arrests without warrants for postal-related offenses committed in their presence; make arrests without warrants for postal-related felonies cognizable under the laws of the United States, if they have reasonable grounds to believe that the person arrested has committed or is committing such a felony; carry firearms, and make seizures of property as provided by law.

4. Can Postal Inspectors open mail if they feel it may contain something illegal? First-Class letters and parcels are protected against search and seizure under the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, and, as such, cannot be opened without a search warrant. If there is probable cause to believe the contents of a First-Class letter or parcel violate federal law, Postal Inspectors can obtain a search warrant to open the mail piece. Other classes of mail do not contain private correspondence and therefore may be opened without a warrant.

5. Why do Postal Inspectors frequently conduct joint investigations with other agencies? Overlapping jurisdiction often requires collaboration with other federal, state and local authorities. Postal Inspectors have developed close working relationships with other agencies that facilitate such cooperation.
 

ivwshane

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if the crooks used the USPS as part of their scheme, be it sending and receiving money or something else, i believe that's how it works.

I get that part but it was posted and maybe I read it wrong, that the post office made the arrest themselves. That capability is what I’m not aware of.
 

Maxima1

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That's ridiculous. Pelosi isn't afraid of exposing Barr. He already exposed himself. There is only one answer to Trump & ScamCo Inc.- the election. Just vote. Get a tiny piece of Trump's ass for your very own.

Why do you think they watered down the impeachment to "abuse of power" and narrowed the scope of it? Why do you think Republicans didn't just stop at one Benghazi hearing then? A lot of people don't have much of a clue what is going on, and Democrats are content keeping it that way. Pelosi is afraid that exposing it will turn people off, which is funny because at the same time they argue Comey turned liberal-leaning voters away with buttery males. Somehow having the goods is going to be harmful? Yeah right.... And if not that, I guess she's like Biden and doesn't want to hurt the image of the Republican party. They need to put these assholes on record again, if not just for the "told you so" if the election is close, and Republicans try challenging any vote past election day. Fucking with the USPS is a good one. I wouldn't be surprised also if Biden/Harris admin tries to move on instead of holding all these corrupt pieces of shits accountable.
 

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So does Trump let "Sloppy Steve" rot or does Trump pardon his crony for defrauding Trump supporters? Hell, even Trump defrauds Trump supporters. And they line up for more.

Trump won’t object to his followers getting ripped off. But he will be pissed that somebody else was stealing money he planned on stealing. They can not be entrusted to oversee large sums of money without skimming some off for themselves.
 

Meghan54

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When I was a little kid, back in the '50's, there was a sorta joke about postal inspectors. It was said one would rather tangle with the FBI/Pinkertons/any fed. law enforcement agency than a postal inspector.
 
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ivwshane

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So does Trump let "Sloppy Steve" rot or does Trump pardon his crony for defrauding Trump supporters? Hell, even Trump defrauds Trump supporters. And they line up for more.

Trump won’t object to his followers getting ripped off. But he will be pissed that somebody else was stealing money he planned on stealing. They can not be entrusted to oversee large sums of money without skimming some off for themselves.

If it ain’t about him he won’t care. So unless trump is involved somehow and could be exposed, I doubt he’d pardon him.
 

hal2kilo

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So does Trump let "Sloppy Steve" rot or does Trump pardon his crony for defrauding Trump supporters? Hell, even Trump defrauds Trump supporters. And they line up for more.

Trump won’t object to his followers getting ripped off. But he will be pissed that somebody else was stealing money he planned on stealing. They can not be entrusted to oversee large sums of money without skimming some off for themselves.
Maybe Trump didn't get to wet his beak.
 

VRAMdemon

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Trump - "I haven’t been dealing with [Mr Bannon] for a very long period of time,” “... Haven’t been dealing with him at all.”
"I don’t like that project. I thought it was being done for showboating reasons. It was something I very much thought was inappropriate to be doing. "


So, in a nutshell, he does not really know him ...

The real takeaway - since Trump doesn’t appear to have ever mentioned nor endorsed the effort in his Twitter feed - is that he wasn’t offered a cut. As such, he probably never did like it. Why didn’t he get his cut? The Wall was his big idea!
 

woolfe9998

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Trump already started with the "Steve who? Oh yeah, I may have been in the same room with him once or twice" schtick which he has said literally every last fucking time one of his friends or allies is indicted. I predict that in a short time, after Bannon has threatened to expose Trump - and there is zero chance he doesn't have anything on him, there will be a tweet like this:

"Steve Bannon, terrific guy! It's so unfair what the liberal deep state US Attorney who I appointed after firing another USA I appointed for investigating my friends is doing to poor Steve. Why are they being so mean to him? Sad!"

Followed by a pardon weeks later.

Only way there will be no pardon is if Bannon has nothing on Trump. What do you think is the likelihood that Bannon knows of no crimes that Trump has committed?
 
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hal2kilo

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Trump - "I haven’t been dealing with [Mr Bannon] for a very long period of time,” “... Haven’t been dealing with him at all.”
"I don’t like that project. I thought it was being done for showboating reasons. It was something I very much thought was inappropriate to be doing. "


So, in a nutshell, he does not really know him ...

The real takeaway - since Trump doesn’t appear to have ever mentioned nor endorsed the effort in his Twitter feed - is that he wasn’t offered a cut. As such, he probably never did like it. Why didn’t he get his cut? The Wall was his big idea!
What's funny is, as usual, I got some news on in the background, and I just heard those exact quotes. Someone needs to tell him that we've already predigested that this would be his first response when he just thinks it might mean trouble for him.
 

VRAMdemon

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Trump already started with the "Steve who? Oh yeah, I may have been in the same room with him once or twice" schtick which has has said literally every last fucking time one of his friends or allies is indicted. I predict that in a short time, after Bannon has threatened to expose Trump - and there is zero chance he doesn't have anything on him, there will be a tweet like this:

"Steve Bannon, terrific guy! It's so unfair what the liberal deep state US Attorney who I appointed after firing another USA I appointed for investigating my friends is doing to poor Steve. Why are they being so mean to him? Sad!"

Followed by a pardon weeks later.

Only way there will be no pardon is if Bannon has nothing on Trump. What do you think is the likelihood that Bannon knows of no crimes that Trump has committed?

A tweet: (from one year ago)