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Stern warning on Kerry from prophet of profit

Jan 12, 2003
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Here's the link, mate.

Stern warning on Kerry from prophet of profit

June 25, 2004
CHICAGO-BASED Joel Stern heads one of the largest global corporate consultancies, Stern Stewart, and is therefore a recognised expert on the likely behaviour of the world's biggest companies.

He has come to Australia to warn about what might happen in the US next year.

Last October (The Weekend Australian, October 18) he predicted incredibly accurately the huge rise in 2004 US productivity and profits (profits look like achieving a real rise of about 19 per cent); a substantial rise in US employment; and US growth rates of between 4.5 and 5.5 per cent.

His latest predictions are frightening.

Stern says that if John Kerry is elected president ? and he is about six points ahead in the polls ? then corporate America will freeze.

In the second half of 2005 there will be a sharp downturn in economic activity, which will affect the rest of the world. Share markets will suffer a severe blow.

But if Bush is returned, there's a 75 per cent chance the world will have a business boom lasting two or three years, driven partly by the US but also reflecting the strength of Japan, India and China.

Stern believes the China slowdown will be mild, but Europe will remain sluggish, even if Bush wins.

If Kerry wins, the situation in Europe could get very serious with unemployment in Germany and France likely to rise to 12 to 15 per cent ? which could have serious political and social ramifications.

Why is Stern so concerned about John Kerry?

He says that while Kerry hasn't enunciated a detailed policy, his rhetoric so far is directed towards redistributing wealth from the so-called richer groups to the poorer.

That's likely to include a change in dividend and capital gains taxes, a possible rise in marginal tax rates and abandoning the Bush tax cuts that go through to 2009.

He would greatly increase government regulations and promote a much more anti-business environment.

Kerry would make global outsourcing much more difficult, but Stern believes global outsourcing is needed to keep the lid on US inflation and interest rates.

The difference between 30-year bonds and inflation-indexed bonds is now about 3 per cent, which means the market is banking on 3 per cent inflation.

All these moves would create enormous uncertainty among US decision makers, corporations and individuals, who would hold back their hiring and spending, reducing the likely US 2005 growth rate from above 4 per cent to around 3 per cent. The downturn would be concentrated in the second half.

Longer term, the changes Kerry would make to the US Supreme Court would make the American legal system much more interventionist in policy making.

Stern makes no predictions about the election, but he says Bush's campaign will be helped by a US economy which will continue to perform strongly, with a substantial generation of jobs.

Normally that would ensure the re-election of a president but the controversy over Iraq and the fact that Kerry is excellent as a television performer put a Bush victory in doubt.

On the international scene, Stern is particularly optimistic about Japan ? where growth rates above 3 per cent are likely ? and India.

He is also optimistic about ASEAN countries, particularly Thailand.

If Bush is re-elected and Stern is right about US corporate plans, we're looking at a substantial business boom until 2007 which would see stock markets rising strongly and consistently but with higher interest rates.

There is no doubt that if we have a world boom, Australia will be a major beneficiary.

If Kerry wins, and Stern is right about a US slump, then we won't escape the impact.
 

SuperTool

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Stern says that if John Kerry is elected president ? and he is about six points ahead in the polls ? then corporate America will freeze.

Kinda like it did under Clinton? These "Sky is falling" arguements don't hold any water.
 

Moonbeam

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Please remove the tinfoil wig from your head and the sky is falling tomb from your .....

The American people will get such an Adrenalin lift when the POS is removed business will go into hyper drive. Ding dong the wicked witch is dead. There'll be dancing in the streets. It will be like somebody installed a bathroom fan. The stink is gone and we can breathe again.
 
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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Stern says that if John Kerry is elected president ? and he is about six points ahead in the polls ? then corporate America will freeze.

Kinda like it did under Clinton? These "Sky is falling" arguements don't hold any water.

Search through the 'economy threads', then...they seem to hold with the liberal left when the sky is falling in the other direction. Funny how that works.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Prophet of profit my arse . . . I thought you were going to quote the Oracle of Omaha . . . then you would have my attention.

Hmm, but curiously . . . the man many consider to be the world's greatest capitalist is advising . . .
Oracle Of Absolutely Everything
Dan Ackman, 05.03.04, 8:33 AM ET

NEW YORK - Warren Buffett has signed on to advise John Kerry. And why not? He is advising everybody else.

But hey that's a Forbes article . . . what would that libelous looney left publication or its publisher know about capitalism??
 

Rob9874

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Dems definitely don't think about the long-term effects of their short-term solutions. One more reason to vote for Bush in November.
 
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Originally posted by: Rob9874
Dems definitely don't think about the long-term effects of their short-term solutions. One more reason to vote for Bush in November.

Ack! My irony detector is going to break if you keep redlining it!
 

Fingolfin269

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I wonder what the reaction would have been around here if he had stated the opposite.

'Kerry elected - business booms'

'Bush reelected - business=death'

You guys crack me up.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Stern says that if John Kerry is elected president ? and he is about six points ahead in the polls ? then corporate America will freeze.

Kinda like it did under Clinton? These "Sky is falling" arguements don't hold any water.

Search through the 'economy threads', then...they seem to hold with the liberal left when the sky is falling in the other direction. Funny how that works.

So you are comparing 1M jobs lost with 22M jobs created?
I'll take Democrat Sky falling oved Republican Sky falling any day :D
 

KB

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Kerry has backed off the anti-outsourcing outcrys because new data suggests it isn't as bad as it looks. What the dope doesn't mention is how the war in Iraq is what has every business person so worried. Electing either candidate won't fix that, as neither has a plan. It is repealing the tax cuts for the rich, which Kerry plans to do, that will get America back into a fiscally sound economic plan.
 

Train

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This so called "Tax cut for the rich" Kerry keeps referring to is the Dividend tax cut, which means every American that has a 401k, or basically any invested money for that matter.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Please remove the tinfoil wig from your head and the sky is falling tomb from your .....

The American people will get such an Adrenalin lift when the POS is removed business will go into hyper drive. Ding dong the wicked witch is dead. There'll be dancing in the streets. It will be like somebody installed a bathroom fan. The stink is gone and we can breathe again.

moonbeam, you really shouldn't ever use the B-word. It is a totally alien concept to you. Stick to emotions like bigotry.
 
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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Please remove the tinfoil wig from your head and the sky is falling tomb from your .....

The American people will get such an Adrenalin lift when the POS is removed business will go into hyper drive. Ding dong the wicked witch is dead. There'll be dancing in the streets. It will be like somebody installed a bathroom fan. The stink is gone and we can breathe again.

moonbeam, you really shouldn't ever use the B-word. It is a totally alien concept to you. Stick to emotions like bigotry.

Huh? What "B-word"? I have never seen MB exhibit any bigotry whatsoever. What are you alluding to?
 

catnap1972

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Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I wonder what the reaction would have been around here if he had stated the opposite.

'Kerry elected - business booms'

'Bush reelected - business=death'

That's easy

Neocons claiming that he's a clueless idiot (or another damn liberal)
 

GrGr

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Rob9874
Dems definitely don't think about the long-term effects of their short-term solutions. One more reason to vote for Bush in November.

Ack! My irony detector is going to break if you keep redlining it!

The Australian is Murdoch owned. So in effect this article is like Fox cheerleading Bush. Stern "the Prophet of Profit" Stewart:

Kerry is an excellent TV performer (really? but compared to Bush who isn't)
Kerry would "redistribute" from the "so called" rich:roll: to the poor (about time)
Kerry would abandon Bush's tax cuts (not a moment too soon)
Kerry would promote a "much more" anti-business environment (relatively speaking of course)
Kerry would put "interventionist" people in the Supreme Court (heaven forbid, must have Christian Fundies or judges to the right of Cheney in the Supreme Court or things go to hell in a handbasket)

Bush has spent $80 million on attack adds on Kerry yet he is trailing by six points? Yep, time to hit the panic button.

This is more of the rightwing Führerprinzip rhetoric at work. There is only the Bush way or everything will fall apart. Must Follow The Master :confused: No wonder the Bushies in BushWorld are worried. What happens when you remove BushGod from BushWorld?
 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Prophet of profit my arse . . . I thought you were going to quote the Oracle of Omaha . . . then you would have my attention.

Hmm, but curiously . . . the man many consider to be the world's greatest capitalist is advising . . .
Oracle Of Absolutely Everything
Dan Ackman, 05.03.04, 8:33 AM ET

NEW YORK - Warren Buffett has signed on to advise John Kerry. And why not? He is advising everybody else.

But hey that's a Forbes article . . . what would that libelous looney left publication or its publisher know about capitalism??

I think I'll trust the "Prophet of Profit" (LMAO) ;)
 

MonkeyK

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So Reagan really was responsible for the crappy economy while he was President? And Clinton really was responsible for the great economy while he was president?

Which is it? Does the President affect the current economy or the future economy?:confused:

Or are we just spewing forth whatever information supports our agenda?:D
 

Bowmaster

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So you are comparing 1M jobs lost with 22M jobs created?
I'll take Democrat Sky falling oved Republican Sky falling any day :D[/quote]

A point about those 22M jobs created - how many of them are for much lower pay? The Neocons often don't mention those facts...
 

irwincur

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What poll is this from... Stern says that if John Kerry is elected president ? and he is about six points ahead in the polls ? then corporate America will freeze.

Because the only polls that have Kerry ahead are the normal liberal polls, ABC, NBC, NYT, and LAT (which just got busted for calling a majority of known Democrats). The only real poll out there today, the Harris poll has Bush up by 10%. Why is the Harris poll important...

1. It only polls likely voters, other polls, poll all voters and as such are terribly unreliable.
2. Consistant questioning. They have asked the same questions for over 30 years. Other polls change weekly trying to get push answers.
3. It is almost always the most accurate poll.

Why don't many people see it? Well, polling has become big business, and Harris does not have a direct big name outlet. Yet they continue on year after year conducting what many believe is the only accurate poll.
 

jackschmittusa

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irwincur

Since it is too early to predict actual election results anyway, do you think polling "all voters" might have some other value?
 

piasabird

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Kerry needs to announce a running mate and have a couple of debates before a poll is really worth looking at.
 

irwincur

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Polling all voters is misleading at best. Since all voters tend to include many moderates and Democrats. Likely voters tend to favor Republicans. Not an attack on either side, but the demographics of the Republican party tend to suggest that they are more reliable voters - and they show up. That is why the number one goal of any Democrat running for office is to energize the base and add as many additional voters as possible. During a normal election, a Democrat that cannot energize the base faces a Mondale or Dukakis like defeat by the generally energized Republican base. A Clinton like candidate that can draw from outside the party can easily win.

Unfortunately for Kerry, he has yet to draw a significant amount of outside votes, and a large portion of his base is wavering. Unions and women are increasingly leaning towards Bush. Even a 1% to 2% shift in these demographics could spell disaster. On the other hand I don't see too many of Bush's 2000 voters running to the other side as his approval rating is about where his vote percentage was. Those that hate him hate him, and those that like him like him. Furthermore, his approval rating is over 45% and slowly increasing, no incumbant has lost a re-election with a near 50% approval rating. The last three to lose (Bush Sr., Carter, and Ford) were in the 30 - 40% range. The last two to win (Reagan and Clinton) were only at 50% or slightly above. In short, Bush is closer to the winners than the losers. Both Clinton and Reagan were hated nearly as much as Bush, so that normally will not play a role in the overall election.

In short, a good chunk of the Democrat party does not always decide to show up.