Instead of wasting time telling others what they should do with their money on the internet he could be out volunteering somewhere... where does it stop? If someone wants to pay $600 for a 22" monitor and 3D glasses, more power to them.
Instead of wasting time telling others what they should do with their money on the internet he could be out volunteering somewhere... where does it stop? If someone wants to pay $600 for a 22" monitor and 3D glasses, more power to them.
apoppin
Lifer
and instead of chastising someone for exactly what you do .. you could be out volunteering also
if someone doesn't want to "waste" 600 hard-earned bones in an uncertain economy
- more power to them also
it is all opinion .. your's, mine .. everyone's . . . that is what makes a forum
3D is something one must really see to decide for yourself .. and also remember that "novelty" wears off pretty quickly for some of us
I think you missed my point Apoppin... I think it's pretty dumb to tell people where they should spend their money, tell them that they shouldn't spend it on their hobby. If he's so worried about 3rd world countries then there are things he can do that will better make an impact instead of telling people with disposable income where they should spend their money... especially when he has a new-ish PC in his sig.
But I don't want to drag this off-topic, so let's talk more about the guy who apparantly hasn't tested Nvidia's 3d but doesn't like it.
But I don't want to drag this off-topic, so let's talk more about the guy who apparantly hasn't tested Nvidia's 3d but doesn't like it.
Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
I think you missed my point Apoppin... I think it's pretty dumb to tell people where they should spend their money, tell them that they shouldn't spend it on their hobby. If he's so worried about 3rd world countries then there are things he can do that will better make an impact instead of telling people with disposable income where they should spend their money... especially when he has a new-ish PC in his sig.
But I don't want to drag this off-topic, so let's talk more about the guy who apparantly hasn't tested Nvidia's 3d but doesn't like it.
LOL
I thought the same thing when I read that- "now we don't get to spend money on hobbies and have to send it to the 3rd world?! "
I think the key of that article is whether the author has actually spent much time with the tech.
Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
But I don't want to drag this off-topic, so let's talk more about the guy who apparantly hasn't tested Nvidia's 3d but doesn't like it.
He did try it (kiosk at Fry's) but I don't know if that is the nV version of it.
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
I think you missed my point Apoppin... I think it's pretty dumb to tell people where they should spend their money, tell them that they shouldn't spend it on their hobby. If he's so worried about 3rd world countries then there are things he can do that will better make an impact instead of telling people with disposable income where they should spend their money... especially when he has a new-ish PC in his sig.
But I don't want to drag this off-topic, so let's talk more about the guy who apparantly hasn't tested Nvidia's 3d but doesn't like it.
he has tested 3D .. it *appears* he hasn't tried Nvidia's
(as i have
)And one of the new members is emailing him for clarification
. . . and don't worry, i didn't miss your point .. nobody *can* really TELL anyone else what to do - or not do - with their money
- certainly not on a tech forum
- this "do gooder" is telling you that HE can think of a million things he can do with $600
of course many of us think "pay bills" as ONE thing to do with $600 .. and some of us are evidently privileged
I see this issue like this:
1. 3D Vision adds a lot to a lot of games.
2. It's not a bad deal to add a second monitor to your rig.
3. People that think $600 is a lot of money shouldn't buy it. People that have $600 to spare might consider it if they'd like to add another option to their 3d gaming. Normal + PhysX + stereo is a nice set of options to have at your disposal.
1. 3D Vision adds a lot to a lot of games.
2. It's not a bad deal to add a second monitor to your rig.
3. People that think $600 is a lot of money shouldn't buy it. People that have $600 to spare might consider it if they'd like to add another option to their 3d gaming. Normal + PhysX + stereo is a nice set of options to have at your disposal.
$600 is way too much. Why can't they make this work with a simple $1 pair of 3D glasses? I'm pretty sure that movie theatres run at 24fps; I fail to see the necessity of 120hz.
I just think you get into niche products that others see no value in, Rollo. I remember when you thought your GeForce 5700FX was all that back in the day; you even sold your Radeon 9700 Pro to buy one IIRC.
Would you trade in your Core i7 setup for say a Phenom 2 so that you could afford this 3D glasses setup? I have a feeling you will say "no".
Keysplayr
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People who want this tech, and feel 600 bucks isn't too much, will get it. What's not to understand about that?
And if you fail to see the necessity of 120Hz, then you should read some more technical reviews on the subject. Maybe you won't fail to see it then.
His Core i7 setup cost about 1500 bucks. He spent that in a single purchase. Do you really think he would need to trade down to a lower cost lower performing Phenom system to be able to afford 3DVision? Some people just don't, Sickbeast. For some people, 3DVision is way beyond their grasp. What is so surprising about this?
And if you fail to see the necessity of 120Hz, then you should read some more technical reviews on the subject. Maybe you won't fail to see it then.
His Core i7 setup cost about 1500 bucks. He spent that in a single purchase. Do you really think he would need to trade down to a lower cost lower performing Phenom system to be able to afford 3DVision? Some people just don't, Sickbeast. For some people, 3DVision is way beyond their grasp. What is so surprising about this?
nobodyknows
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Errr....you didn't think that one out very well BFG10K.
Last I checked, there's no universal law that you have to pay for something to give your opinion of it's value.
When you ABT guys write about the parts vendors give you for free, should we all disregard your opinions of their value?
How about guys that get parts for a gift?
What about guys that inherited money and paid, but got the money free?
Anyway, I don't care if anyone buys 3D Vision, I'll still have it whether they do or not and that's what matters to me.
I'm sharing my experience with it by posting my impressions of it and my benchmarks of it as that's what we do in NFG.
I'm questioning the ability of people who've never seen it to evaluate it, and the logic of "It's $600 for 3D only!" when having two monitors has value as well.
I'm saying $600 isn't really a "large" hobby expense and that I spend more than that every month of the year on hobbies, as do many others.
People that think $600 is "too much to spend on a hobby" should probably avoid travel, classic cars, aviation, golf, scuba, competitive fishing, stamp or coin collecting, home theatre, skiing, and a myriad of other pursuits where it's commonplace to spend $600 or more.
Got to say I'm fairly amazed to see people talking about $600 as "a lot of money!" on a PC gaming enthusiast forum. Not like a significant percentage of us haven't dropped $800-$1000 on multi GPU configs, high end CPUs, or monitors.
This is starting to read like the French Revolution for PCs:
Many: "Grumble grumble costs too much grumble grumble elitists"
Few: "Errr Why is this any different than anything else? Some can and will afford it, some won't."
Many: "Grumble grumble grumble well we've decided it should cost X dollars based on Y logic grumble grumble grumble"
Sheesh. If you don't like it, don't buy it, just like anything else in life.
I'd like to see it for myself before making an opinion about it. 3d is interesting and can make games more immersive if implemented well. I wouldn't spend $600 on it unseen, considering how bad it was earlier, but if it would give me more joy in games, I for one would spend that kind of money on it.
I'm a bit sceptical about the reviews of changing color, contrast and brightness. It might be annoying, but I need to see it for myself first.
The 3d tech is moving on. NEC have a new screen that gives 3d without glasses, but its a bit too small yet for gaming. I bet we'll see more of this in the year to come.
If the tech presented by Nvidia today isn't mature enough, its at least a step forward, so I welcome it.
I'm a bit sceptical about the reviews of changing color, contrast and brightness. It might be annoying, but I need to see it for myself first.
The 3d tech is moving on. NEC have a new screen that gives 3d without glasses, but its a bit too small yet for gaming. I bet we'll see more of this in the year to come.
If the tech presented by Nvidia today isn't mature enough, its at least a step forward, so I welcome it.
apoppin
Lifer
. . .and yet you painstakingly answer every single negative post about it - as a marketer or shill would do .. not as a Focus group member does on every other site except this one
. . . and yes, people should question the fact that we reviewers get some HW parts for free .. i just got a q9550 's spec' to review and a Hyper n520 CPU cooler.
The problem would be - If i LAUD all the HW product i get for 'free' and GLOSS over their FAULTS, that trend is noted by my readers ... and my credibility would be shot to hell
- just as has already happened to some here
i will agree with you, however, that it is just like the French Revolution - and you appear to be playing the part of the out-of-touch Queen that responds "let them eat cake" when real economic issues are raised
- i remember just before she was arrested, a guard rushed into the royal presence and blurted out:
"the peasants are revolting"
. . . to which the french queen replied,
"Revolting? .. they are down right *disgusting*"
:laugh:
she lost her head for being out of touch
:Q
seriously .. there is a lesson that may be on some lost here
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Oh wow, I honestly cannot believe how arrogant that sounded. I mean, how dare we lowly plebs think that spending nigh on $8000 a year on hobbies is ridiculously wasteful.
I also can't believe you feel that way about the French Revolution. You think it's acceptable when people can't afford basic food staples because of unjust taxation policies instituted by a hereditary nobility?
Edit: And yes, I had to register just to say that.
How did you manage to translate nRollo's post into him finding it acceptable that people cannot afford basic food staples?
People buy highend GFX cards for perhaps $1000 and even more, highend CPU's, highend memory, large screens, sometimes 3 screens with TH, expensive raptors in raid etc. all to get a better gaming experience. Gaming is to be consider a hobby after most definitions.
He's also speaking of other hobbies which comes with a similar pricetag as well.
Not everyone can even afford a single highend GFX card and feel its wasteful buying such only for gaming, but do you feel that everyone should go back to integrated GPU's to make them feel better about themselves?
Whats wasteful for you can be within reasonable budget for another. Isn't it also arrogant to say that because you find it wasteful, its also wasteful for everyone else? If you can't afford it, does it mean that nobody else should buy it either?
If the 3d doesn't sell well enough, then it will die by its own lack of profit, but I don't think Nvidia would introduce it if they didn't think it was a market for it at least.
What I can get for $600 dollars
1) Half the cost of a new PC.
2) I could buy another 37" 1080P monitor.
3) Buy at least 12 new games.
4) Buy 40 DVDs.
5) Go see a 75 new movies.
6) Fill the gas in my car 27 times.
7) Pay for a year membership in a gym.
nRollo is BestBuy going to put up a kiosks?
1) Half the cost of a new PC.
2) I could buy another 37" 1080P monitor.
3) Buy at least 12 new games.
4) Buy 40 DVDs.
5) Go see a 75 new movies.
6) Fill the gas in my car 27 times.
7) Pay for a year membership in a gym.
nRollo is BestBuy going to put up a kiosks?
I was puzzled by his post, then laughed uproariously at the first line of yours.
Kudos, you understood me perfectly.
In response to TheMeanestGuest:
Welcome to AnandTech. I was satirizing what I saw as an ironic (people with an expensive hobby complaining of an expensive part) situation.
Are you going to buy these glasses? Heck I remember you shopping for your GTX260 you got listed in your sig. How much do you waste a month on your hobbies?
Whether he can, can't or just plain doesn't want to buy them doesn't matter- he's wise enough to recognize making a blanket statement like "These glasses aren't worth it!" has no basis in logic.
What things are worth depends entirely on the buyer's budget and interest in the item. My CPU might have been well worth $1000. to me, and in no way worth it to someone else.
Doesn't make either of us "wrong".
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