Stereo - need more power/amps. not enough power

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: MS Dawn
Bi-Amping is the way to go. Been there, done that. Tri, quad even penta amplified systems are good but things get complicated fast. It's not like the control room already looks like a firing room at NASA. :Q

A strong solid state amp for your bass bins - tightly regulated with lots of current and good damping factor along with a "sweeter" valve amp for the panels. Probably sound the best on the 2OHM tap. There's valve amps with a 1OHM tap but they cost as much as a sportscar per channel.

Just tell me what to get. I trust your ear and knowledge. Keep it under 5K for the amps. Even better if under 3K, I would prefer SLR connections and not expensive to replace tubes.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: MS Dawn
They can provide you with a local dealer most likely with a zip code.

You need four channels so these are biamped or do you have a pair for surround? :Q

I just like bi-amping, that's all. So a stereo for the left and a stereo amp for the right.

Believe it or not the manual for the speakers is very, very well written.

If you want to provide me a meaty solid state amp for the woofers and a super sweet tube amp that can get the job done for the panels I'll love you even more.

Call your local electrical cooperative first before you plug it in....



...for their sake



btw WTF DUDE, you do want the same coverage with your speakers that you get with your access points?!...this stuff is un effing believable...

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Just tell me what to get. I trust your ear and knowledge. Keep it under 5K for the amps. Even better if under 3K, I would prefer SLR connections and not expensive to replace tubes.

SLR?

You probably mean XLR as in a balanced line which all decent setups use.

This would be easy but the budget. Thank goodness I'm not in logistics. I would fail miserably there. :Q

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: MS Dawn
SLR?

You probably mean XLR as in a balanced line which all decent setups use.

This would be easy but the budget. Thank goodness I'm not in logistics. I would fail miserably there. :Q

Yes, I'm listening to music, watching football, having a cocktail, keeping track of the thread all at the same time. Cut me some slack pretty please.

Now how about your expert opinion?

Goosemaster - the room is about 25 feet by 60 feet with two floor ceilings. I need power.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: spidey07


Goosemaster - the room is about 25 feet by 60 feet with two floor ceilings. I need power.

Jeese dude....

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Jeese dude....

by room, I meant entire first floor. Open floor plan. It isn't really a "room" in the traditional sense. They do sound nice where they are at though - little to no reflections.

 

[Gibsons]

I might already know what the answer is, but I'll ask anyway - might it be cheaper to get some more efficient speakers? I suspect that you're basically married to the electrostatics though.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Gibsons
I might already know what the answer is, but I'll ask anyway - might it be cheaper to get some more efficient speakers? I suspect that you're basically married to the electrostatics though.

meh, 90 decibles at one watt would be pretty darn efficient to me. It's the impedance and "capacitive load" that causes amplifiers to go PUKE.

Yes, I am married to electrostats. like nothing else.

 

[cheesehead]

Holy !#@$!$!

Not a lot of stuff can push 1 ohm directly!

Although technically only 2x 100w amps, when bridged into one ohm, they'll push a full kilowatt.
http://www.lcaudio.com/index.php?page=70

I've heard that they actually work pretty well, though, and are a lot cheaper than anything else in the price range. 2 SE modules is 550$, so a grand total of 2200$ + PSU + whatever else you plan to use. (And you're going to need a substation for these things!)

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: spidey07

meh, 90 decibles at one watt would be pretty darn efficient to me. It's the impedance and "capacitive load" that causes amplifiers to go PUKE.

Yes, I am married to electrostats. like nothing else.

That's 1W at 1 meter. Nobody sits that close to ES panels and if they do they shouldn't have them.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: MS Dawn

Originally posted by: spidey07

meh, 90 decibles at one watt would be pretty darn efficient to me. It's the impedance and "capacitive load" that causes amplifiers to go PUKE.

Yes, I am married to electrostats. like nothing else.

That's 1W at 1 meter. Nobody sits that close to ES panels and if they do they shouldn't have them.

c'mon sweetheart. Point source vs. line source.

Tell me what amps I need. You know my requirements.

pretty please?

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Gibsons
I might already know what the answer is, but I'll ask anyway - might it be cheaper to get some more efficient speakers? I suspect that you're basically married to the electrostatics though.

meh, 90 decibles at one watt would be pretty darn efficient to me. It's the impedance and "capacitive load" that causes amplifiers to go PUKE.

Yes, I am married to electrostats. like nothing else.

stupid 'loads' and 'resitances'

 

[Madwand1]

MLs tend to have the min impedance at the high end (and other dip in the low end). While the min at around 20 kHz may not be audibly significant, it's a curve, not a point, so a tube amp with high output impedence for the top end could be a bad idea.

There's the old fallback for inclusion of tubes -- in the pre-amp (don't underestimate the potential impact of a preamp).

Here's the closest graph I found online. It's for the Quest Z, which has a lower crossover point.

http://stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/1093ml/index4.html

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: MS Dawn

Originally posted by: spidey07

meh, 90 decibles at one watt would be pretty darn efficient to me. It's the impedance and "capacitive load" that causes amplifiers to go PUKE.

Yes, I am married to electrostats. like nothing else.

That's 1W at 1 meter. Nobody sits that close to ES panels and if they do they shouldn't have them.

c'mon sweetheart. Point source vs. line source.

Er, is it that you like the stretching of the image, or you just want to maximize the SPL?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Howard
c'mon sweetheart. Point source vs. line source.

Er, is it that you like the stretching of the image, or you just want to maximize the SPL?[/quote]

maximize SPL at listening position and still have plenty of bass.

It took about a month to place them properly so I'm not moving them. They're about 13 feet apart right now, with a good soundstage/image.

 

[thomsbrain]

if you really need that much power, you'll need to cut the crap and buy some amps that are designed for pro audio.

how about this:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/...ppen-FP6400-Power-Amplifier?sku=487160

dunno if it could handle 1 ohm, though.