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Stephen Sinofsky says users want “sealed case” computers

Well he's probably right in a way. These "sealed case" computers will likely not come in the form of a desktop without thumbscrews though.
 
Yeah, lube up the (m)asses, here it comes.

I didn't realize it but my Droid Razr doesn't even allow me to access the battery, so once it's dead it's dead. They don't want you replacing a battery, they want that device leeching heavy metals into a landfill while you lay down some more Benjamins for the new model every 2 years.
 
Doesn't sound like he's talking about computer enthusiasts. Sounds like he's talking about the general public who don't give a damn if they can open the computer to look around.. and he's right, the vast majority of users will never open up the case.
 
Most average users are probably using laptops anyways, which are pretty much sealed already with the exception of RAM and maybe the hard disk.
 
Mixolydian said:
is the average user doing that? no. they'll just buy a new one after a year or two when it starts getting "slow".
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I am countering your point of them being sealed. We all know the average user is ignorant of what they use on a daily basis, I included.
 
ehh, I won't buy one, but, I'm sure many will.

As long as I can buy what I want, I don't care what other options other people have, even if I think they are stupid options that only stupid people will buy.
 
It's not that they want a 'sealed case', its that they don't care if it is or not. And making it 'sealed' does make it easier to achieve what users actually do want: sleek, light, thin computers.
 
darkewaffle said:
It's not that they want a 'sealed case', its that they don't care if it is or not. And making it 'sealed' does make it easier to achieve what users actually do want: sleek, light, thin computers.
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I agree. I haven't gone into a desktop in years. I'd still want to be able to swap hard drives though.

I used to self build and actually enjoyed it but with prices how they are now, and entry level computers able to do just about everything, makes more sense just to give Dell $300

This end of the PC mumbo jumbo is nonsense though.. I don't know any white collar worker who still does not primarily work on a PC. And I don't see what replaces that functionality of a work tool used at a desk.
 
darkewaffle said:
It's not that they want a 'sealed case', its that they don't care if it is or not. And making it 'sealed' does make it easier to achieve what users actually do want: sleek, light, thin computers.
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I'll reject any machine I can't open up and examine. The day may come(I doubt it) when that's the only way they come, but I'll pay a premium to have replaceable components. Someone above mentioned a phone battery not being replaceable. I wouldn't buy that that phone unless it came at a disposable price(<$50). I wouldn't get it anyway if I couldn't have root, or install custom ROMs.
 
Train said:
And he's probably not wrong. The amount of people who build PC's now is probably a tenth of what it was in 2000
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Probably a tenth of the percentage it was in 2000, or an even smaller percentage.
And that's "PCs", then you add in tablets etc and it becomes an even smaller percentage.

There are millions of people in the world who have never even considered the idea of building their own computer because they grew up either with laptops, or with tablets. The worl has changed and moved on, and 99+% of people want a box that works.

Even enthusiasts here would/do buy things like Roku or similar TV boxes to plug in and have work, and buy laptops etc, which are just sealed computers.

Also OEMs can more easily make small computers than end users, and when people want smaller computers, that pretty much requires a sealed box (we're talking Mac Mini/Dell Zino/NUC size things, although NUC is quite DIY, but the size is what I'm talking about).

Sealed boxes are the mainstream, have been since forever, and DIY makes up a smaller proportion than ever before.
 
darkewaffle said:
It's not that they want a 'sealed case', its that they don't care if it is or not. And making it 'sealed' does make it easier to achieve what users actually do want: sleek, light, thin computers.
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Yep. That's pretty much my take too. At the very least offer the ability to update HD's and RAM. That's how laptops work. No reason a desktop can't either. Those are the biggies that 99% of users would want to update anyway and many are perfectly capable of doing.
 
If that means they are going to be a lot smaller and not off the shelf commodity huge parts, then I am all for it.
 
vi edit said:
Yep. That's pretty much my take too. At the very least offer the ability to update HD's and RAM. That's how laptops work. No reason a desktop can't either. Those are the biggies that 99% of users would want to update anyway and many are perfectly capable of doing.
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I wouldn't want to sacrifice reliability for sleek designs though. Laptops have a shorter shelf life
 
I see what he's saying. The population of casual users is increasing much more quickly than the population of nerds. Casual users, by definition, don't care about things like installing ROMs, overclocking, or even replacing memory. (They may still want some of those things done, but they don't consider those things when buying because they don't understand them and will simply be paying someone else to do those things.) Since a growing proportion of the customer base doesn't care about those features, why keep them at the expense of *?
 
i wouldn't buy a machine i couldn't open up. if anything i want to clean it, upgrade ram or hd or if a part dies to fix it.
 
Wyndru said:
Yeah, lube up the (m)asses, here it comes.

I didn't realize it but my Droid Razr doesn't even allow me to access the battery, so once it's dead it's dead. They don't want you replacing a battery, they want that device leeching heavy metals into a landfill while you lay down some more Benjamins for the new model every 2 years.
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The pinnacle of our displosable consumer culture. If it breaks, buy a new one. Drop quality as much as possible so it breaks often. If you fix it, or buy used, you're stealing.
 
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