Stephan Hawking Proved God Doesn't Exist

[WinkOsmosis]

I didn't read it all because I didn't understand the first few paragraphs. I don't think Stephen Hawking even wrote that. Looks like a hoax.

Also, it was published in 1994. Stephen Hawking said recently IIRC that he believes in a god.

 

[Toasthead]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
I didn't read it all because I didn't understand the first few paragraphs. I don't think Stephen Hawking even wrote that. Looks like a hoax.

Also, it was published in 1994. Stephen Hawking said recently IIRC that he believes in a god.

haha yeah. Everyone will believe in God.....eventually

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Did you know that Hawking is married to a Christian? Tehe! Evidently he has learned to coexist without going into religion bashing.

That was a hella poor written article. Pretty much there is an argument that the conditions of the Universe do not need a God, and therefore one does not exist. Well, this kinda says what it is. I don't want to go into what we mean by "metric" and such. Suffice it to say, that this a view from inside the universe, but does not take into account what happened before the Big Bang. Now before someone tells me that there was no "before", that is both right and wrong. We are trapped on this manifold surface tied to our time just the same we are to it's space. That does not mean that there arent external and forever removed higher spacetimes. It is impossible to say what would happen in one of these any more than it is possible to construct a 4-space model in 3-space.

 

[HombrePequeno]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
I didn't read it all because I didn't understand the first few paragraphs. I don't think Stephen Hawking even wrote that. Looks like a hoax.

Also, it was published in 1994. Stephen Hawking said recently IIRC that he believes in a god.

Stephen Hawking's "god" is a little different than most people's idea of a god. His is more of an abstract principle of order and harmony.

 

[Harvey]

Hawking rulez. Anyone in his condition who has the balls to play himself, and show such humor about his own infirmities, on a StarTrek episode has my total respect.

 

[amcdonald]

stephen hawkings is married? What I would give to hear him talk dirty to his wife...
But yea, this doesn't 'prove' anything. It s theory from a smart guy. Check back with him in, say, a thousand years and I bet he'll look as silly as plato.
He's smart, but he's still guessing.

 

[Vic]

The argument appears to be (but I'm not physicist and I didn't understand all of that so I might be wrong ) that God is whimsical so He could not exist in a universe based upon the laws of science. The error in thinking there is that God is not whimsical, He is perfect. For all we know, He created the universe AND the laws of science and now just sits back and watches it work.
The article also makes references to "classical theism." Many people try to attack theism by pointing out the flaws in man's beliefs about God. Unfortunately for that argument, the fact that man is flawed in well-known is all forms of theism.

edit: must... stop... typing... so... fast

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Einstein believed in God.

Hawkings is just mad at God.

Einstein did NOT believe in God. Perhaps an upper being, but not the biblical God Himself.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Furthermore, there seems to be no empirical evidence that would confirm the conjunction of acausal theism and the wave function law to an equal or greater degree than it would confirm the wave function law alone.

All this tortuous logic proves is that the existence of God is not necessary to explain the existence of the universe. It does nothing to prove that God does not or cannot exist, it only shows there is no positive evidence of existence.

My agnosticism is unchanged.

 

[GeneValgene]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Did you know that Hawking is married to a Christian? Tehe! Evidently he has learned to coexist without going into religion bashing.

That was a hella poor written article. Pretty much there is an argument that the conditions of the Universe do not need a God, and therefore one does not exist. Well, this kinda says what it is. I don't want to go into what we mean by "metric" and such. Suffice it to say, that this a view from inside the universe, but does not take into account what happened before the Big Bang. Now before someone tells me that there was no "before", that is both right and wrong. We are trapped on this manifold surface tied to our time just the same we are to it's space. That does not mean that there arent external and forever removed higher spacetimes. It is impossible to say what would happen in one of these any more than it is possible to construct a 4-space model in 3-space.

yes, he was married to jane wild, who was a christian. but they are no longer together after hawking starting a relationship wtih his nurse in '89.

however, it seems like this is just someone's application and interpretation of hawking's theories...not necessarily his own thoughts.

 

[Trezza]

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Einstein believed in God.

Hawkings is just mad at God.

Einstein did NOT believe in God. Perhaps an upper being, but not the biblical God Himself.

last time i checked he was jewish.

 

[thebestMAX]

Existing as Stephan Hawking does is proof either way.

 

[Rudee]

I'm a athiest. I swear to God!

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: Trezza

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Einstein believed in God.

Hawkings is just mad at God.

Einstein did NOT believe in God. Perhaps an upper being, but not the biblical God Himself.

last time i checked he was jewish.

http://www.ournet.md/~hi-tech/einstein_religion.html

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly.

 

[hdeck]

cute, really.

 

[slycat]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Einstein believed in God.

Hawkings is just mad at God.

no, Hawkings just wants to be God

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
I didn't read it all because I didn't understand the first few paragraphs. I don't think Stephen Hawking even wrote that. Looks like a hoax.

Also, it was published in 1994. Stephen Hawking said recently IIRC that he believes in a god.

Stephen Hawking's "god" is a little different than most people's idea of a god. His is more of an abstract principle of order and harmony.

I've heard him say that he uses "god" as a metaphor for all that is unexplained. If you ask him who created the universe, he'll probably say god, but he won't be referring to the christian god, or the hindu god, but to whatever unknown force or conditions that set things in motion.

 

[Bryophyte]

Originally posted by: bigben
Interesting approach to preclude a being whose existence does not require human acceptance. It's along the lines of me saying that no one exists truly because we are all in a dream. I can say it and say it as much as I like, but if you punch me, I will hurt.

The only thing God wants of you is to worship him for the work he can do in your life and in the lives of others, but for some it is too much to believe that there is something bigger than them. So they spend all their time trying to disprove what they *should* be able to just ignore. Why try to disprove God? Only to try to dissapoint the millions who need His presence. It's foolish, unless you are running away from Him yourself.

The opposite of love is not hate - it is ignorance. In this case, the opposite of loving God is not trying to disprove Him, but ignoring Him, yet for some reason you must spend your time trying to preclude the existence of God with unproven theories and ideas that are above the intellectual capacity of many of the people here. What is your real problem with God? The proof of his existential being or who he is?

In reference to your assertion that the opposite of love is not hate, you are correct. They are two sides of the same coin. However, the opposite of love is not ignorance either, it is indifference. Love and hate are powerful emotions reserved for that which we care deeply about...indifference is what you have when you do not care at all. Ignorance is defined as "The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed." ( link ) It has little to do with emotion or lack thereof.

 

[csyberblue]

Has anyone read a Brief History of Time?

I've been wanting to read it, and maybe it'll go into more depth about his disbelief of God

 

[Kev]

well if i don't exist, then explain how i'm posting this.

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: Kev
well if i don't exist, then explain how i'm posting this.

"God" and "Tool" and distinctly different things.

 

[rubix]

oh this is way too long to read and uses weird words. i'll just go read the bible instead.

 

[Darein]

Originally posted by: jagr10
You can't prove it or disprove it. It's a belief. I mean, there are so many events that happens in our world that are unexplained or beyond comprehension. EVerything points to there being a God. This is beyond science.

This entirely depends, like all of religion, on a person's point of view. Just because things are not yet explained doesn't mean they can't be explained in a physical, scientific way. It is only beyond science because we haven't explained it, yet.

I don't remember anything in A Brief History of Time describing his belief in one or more gods. Its been awhile though. It was an interesting read for sure though.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: rubix
oh this is way too long to read and uses weird words. i'll just go read the bible instead.

Haha. Too bad your sense of humour will go waaaay past most of the people here

 

[Koing]

Well we get miracles on the earth and no one can explain that? So what does that prove? God exisit or not? Who really knows.............

well we will when we die........