Stems cells used to cure man's AIDS and Leukemia

RightIsWrong

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Good thing that the GOP held back research into the use and applications of stem cells for almost a decade.

Those darned immoral Germans didn't hold back though.

Bloomberg article

A German AIDS patient was able to stop drugs he had been taking for 10 years after getting a transplant of stem cells from a donor with a rare gene variant known to resist the deadly disease. The transplant also cured his leukemia, researchers reported.

The stem cell donor was among the 1 percent of Caucasians who have the variant gene that lacks a section known as CCR5 that helps the AIDS virus enter a cell, according to a report today in the New England Journal of Medicine. Doctors in Berlin hoped that putting the donor?s stem cells in the patient would rebuild his immune system and blood cells so they would lack the CCR5 piece.

The results of the experiment may point researchers to a new way of controlling the AIDS virus HIV that doesn?t force patients to take drugs for the rest of their lives. Scientists will now intensify their search for therapies that achieve the same effect, predicted Jay Levy, a University of California, San Francisco, AIDS researcher.

?I think this article is going to stimulate a lot of companies to put more emphasis on gene therapy,? Levy said yesterday in a telephone interview. He wasn?t involved in the research and wrote an editorial published today that accompanied the study.

One such trial sponsored by Sangamo Biosciences of Richmond, California, recently began at the University of Pennsylvania. It will test a gene therapy that aims to modify the immune cells in 12 patients infected with HIV so they lack the CCR5 receptor.

Right Track

Reports about the successful treatment of the German patient presented at a medical meeting last year bolstered the company?s belief that they were on the right track, said Elizabeth Wolffe, a Sangamo spokeswoman.

?The fact that you could put back into the patient CCR5- deficient cells and have those cells work to clear the virus -- that gave us a lot of confidence,? she said in a telephone interview yesterday.

The 40-year-old patient described in today?s journal report had been treated in Germany with antiviral drugs for 10 years, since his HIV infection was diagnosed. In July 2006, he developed leukemia and was given chemotherapy in an effort to eradicate the cancer.

While the chemotherapy controlled the blood cancer, it also made him ill, causing liver and kidney failure, said Gero Hutter, a hematologist at Benjamin Franklin Hospital in Berlin who led his treatment and was co-author of the report. When doctors halted his antiviral drugs, his levels of the AIDS virus spiked until he resumed taking them after a few weeks.

Replacing Cells

After a few more months went by, his leukemia returned and doctors decided to try a stem cell transplant, a risky procedure that kills nearly a third of patients. They figured that as long as they were doing a transplant, they might as well look for a donor who didn?t have the key section of CCR5.

?Our thinking was that if we do this and replace his immune system with cells that are resistant to HIV, we can do two things at once? by stopping his leukemia and his HIV infection, Hutter said in a telephone interview yesterday.

Stem cells from bone marrow, which are also found in circulating blood, have the ability to form blood cells including the white blood cells that fight infection. These are the cells that are attacked by the virus, crippling patients? immune systems.

Hutter and his colleagues scanned the genomes of 60 potential donors and found one who lacked the CCR5 section. The day after they transfused the donor?s stem cells into the patient, they stopped the antiviral therapy that had suppressed his HIV levels.

?No Rebound?

?There?s been no rebound of HIV,? Hutter said. ?Now, two years after transplantation, we can?t find any HIV in this patient.?

Hutter also said that gene therapy experiments that try to achieve the same goal of inactivating CCR5 hold promise. While the stem cell transplant is too risky to try in most AIDS patients, there may be some who are so sick that it would be worth the danger. First, he said, it should be tried in another patient with both AIDS and leukemia.

When people missing this gene fragment get infected with HIV, they don?t usually develop AIDS symptoms or produce large amounts of the virus.

One drug on the market, Pfizer?s Selzentry, is designed to block the CCR5 receptor so the AIDS virus can?t enter healthy cells. While the drug helps some patients, it must be used with other medications and doesn?t keep the virus from sneaking in.
 

StageLeft

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Interesting but if you make a thousand people drink mr clean one of them will end up ripped and able to bench 2000 lbs and live to 150. The point being, a single case is almost completely irrelvant. It will be nice if these results can be duplicated. I rather doubt they can be but would like to be wrong.
 

BigJelly

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Cured by ADULT stem cells.

Conservatives are against EMBRYONTIC stem cells because embryos are destroyed/killed.

In fact this proves that conservatives were right about ADULT stem cells being the way to go, instead of embryonic stem cells, in the first place.

Get your facts straight troll.

EDITED:
FYI the debate has also ended since the Japanese along with University of Wisconsin determined how to make adult stem cells become embryonic stem cells:
Adult stem cells converted to embryonic stem cells
Adult stem cells converted to embryonic stem cells
 

CanOWorms

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Those darned immoral Germans didn't hold back though.

Dear Isolationist,

Germany has extremely restricted stem cell laws. It went way beyond Bush's restrictions in that participating in stem cell activities was a criminal act, not just inappropriately funded. Even advising someone in another country from Germany regarding stem cell research is (or at least was) a criminal act.
 

GoSharks

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This was just a bone marrow transplant. No big deal in terms of stem cells being used, happens extremely frequently in the US. Not saying that the AIDS part isn't significant though.
 

Jaskalas

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The OP makes an attack against conservatives. Well FU too. For a moment I thought you cared about the story you were posting, instead it?s the means to an end.

As for the story, 1 out of 3 people die in this procedure. I wouldn?t call it a cure until it can safely be replicated in other patients. Lots of breakthroughs can occur but they only mean something if we can apply them.
 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
The OP makes an attack against conservatives. Well FU too. For a moment I thought you cared about the story you were posting, instead it?s the means to an end.

As for the story, 1 out of 3 people die in this procedure. I wouldn?t call it a cure until it can safely be replicated in other patients. Lots of breakthroughs can occur but they only mean something if we can apply them.

I did touch a nerve?

The attack against conservatives is duly warranted after their stonewalling funding for stem cell research at every single opportunity.

As for my motives, I posted the same story in ATOT w/o any shots at conservatives because I wanted to get this story as much exposure as possible.

If the fact that those that you have voted for to support your beliefs and/or ideals are responsible for slowing the progress and you are somehow feeling angered at me because I point out that fact, I think that you have more problems than worrying about a slight against your political icons by me.
 

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Fascinating, but as others have mentioned, Republicans did nothing to hamper adult stem cell research. It was only embryonic stem cell research they opposed. Both show a lot of promise.
 

EXman

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Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Fascinating, but as others have mentioned, Republicans did nothing to hamper adult stem cell research. It was only embryonic stem cell research they opposed. Both show a lot of promise.

Naw the OP is a partisan loon. He still think he is zinging the right when he is pwning himself.
 

brandonbull

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Ask Majic Johnson what he has done to control his HIV for the last 15+ years. The guy has been able to gain weight after being infected.
 

Aegeon

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Originally posted by: BigJelly
EDITED:
FYI the debate has also ended since the Japanese along with University of Wisconsin determined how to make adult stem cells become embryonic stem cells:
Adult stem cells converted to embryonic stem cells
Adult stem cells converted to embryonic stem cells
This is simply a complete lie.

There has been some promising INITIAL research on this, but its not clear they EVER will get it to actually work at the level embryonic stem cells can. Its not at all clear this technique will in fact completely successfully produce cells that act exactly like embryonic ones in every important way. You also have the huge issue right now healthwise if you try to use this technique for actual treatments of a massively increased risk of cancer.

Even if these issues are eventually solved, we don't know how long this will take and it could be something like 50 or 100 years from now, while people will end up being deprived of potential embryonic stem cell treatments in the meantime if restrictions are kept in place.

It really bothers me when embryonic stem cell research opponents use outright deceit to try to advance their case. (Which seems to occur far too often, especially among members of religious groups who are supposed to comply with the commandment "thou shalt not bear false witness.")
 

frostedflakes

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Originally posted by: brandonbull
Ask Majic Johnson what he has done to control his HIV for the last 15+ years. The guy has been able to gain weight after being infected.
Antiretroviral drugs. Unfortunately these are expensive and not effective for everybody.
 

Hacp

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Originally posted by: BigJelly
Cured by ADULT stem cells.

Conservatives are against EMBRYONTIC stem cells because embryos are destroyed/killed.

In fact this proves that conservatives were right about ADULT stem cells being the way to go, instead of embryonic stem cells, in the first place.

Get your facts straight troll.

EDITED:
FYI the debate has also ended since the Japanese along with University of Wisconsin determined how to make adult stem cells become embryonic stem cells:
Adult stem cells converted to embryonic stem cells
Adult stem cells converted to embryonic stem cells

Actually, technically, the embryonic cells could be transferred into a woman and become a baby, so no, the debate hasn't died,
 

herkulease

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Originally posted by: brandonbull
Ask Majic Johnson what he has done to control his HIV for the last 15+ years. The guy has been able to gain weight after being infected.

Money. Southpark explained this already. :D
 

brandonbull

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Originally posted by: herkulease
Originally posted by: brandonbull
Ask Majic Johnson what he has done to control his HIV for the last 15+ years. The guy has been able to gain weight after being infected.

Money. Southpark explained this already. :D

I bet stems cells are a penny/million
 

nonameo

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Another thing to consider: Is it cheaper to use embryonic stem cells?

With the way $$$ and healthcare are relating right now, we really need to be more budget conscious about our solutions.
 

CycloWizard

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Whether or not it works has absolutely nothing to do with the ethical considerations of anything. Does the end justify the means?

But the bigger problem here is that not only do you completely trivialize the ethical issues related to embryonic stem cell research, you don't seem to understand the differences between embryonic and adult stem cells.
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: Aegeon
It really bothers me when embryonic stem cell research opponents use outright deceit to try to advance their case. (Which seems to occur far too often, especially among members of religious groups who are supposed to comply with the commandment "thou shalt not bear false witness.")

Right wing religious people and groups have always felt perfectly comfortable with picking and choosing which commandments to follow.
 

Fox5

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Woah, a story about curing AIDs and cancer all at once? Sounds a bit far-fetched, I'll take a wait and see on this one.
 

mcmilljb

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
The OP makes an attack against conservatives. Well FU too. For a moment I thought you cared about the story you were posting, instead it?s the means to an end.

As for the story, 1 out of 3 people die in this procedure. I wouldn?t call it a cure until it can safely be replicated in other patients. Lots of breakthroughs can occur but they only mean something if we can apply them.

I did touch a nerve?

The attack against conservatives is duly warranted after their stonewalling funding for stem cell research at every single opportunity.

As for my motives, I posted the same story in ATOT w/o any shots at conservatives because I wanted to get this story as much exposure as possible.

If the fact that those that you have voted for to support your beliefs and/or ideals are responsible for slowing the progress and you are somehow feeling angered at me because I point out that fact, I think that you have more problems than worrying about a slight against your political icons by me.

They only oppose embryonic stem cells, and this procedure uses bone marrow from adult donors. There is no one blocking other types of stem cell research such as bone marrow research. But this procedure is not 100% safe, cheap, and sometimes not even possible. You have to find a matching donor. It's also very painful, and the recovery time is around 1-2 months.

This just proves you're a retard, and you don't understand the precedure they are discussing. Besides, this is old news anyway. link
 

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Seems stupid to oppose the use of "embryonic" cells- because these can be easily harvested during child birth, from the cord blood.
The religious right is always looking for a "blood sucking" image to put up to its constituents, because they throw more money onto the plate on sunday if "it is so".
Lots of retards everywhere, in all ideological groups, stupidity has no bounds!
 

Balt

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The results of the experiment may point researchers to a new way of controlling the AIDS virus HIV that doesn?t force patients to take drugs for the rest of their lives. Scientists will now intensify their search for therapies that achieve the same effect, predicted Jay Levy, a University of California, San Francisco, AIDS researcher.

Drug companies aren't gonna like this.
 

shira

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Originally posted by: BigJelly
Cured by ADULT stem cells.

Conservatives are against EMBRYONTIC stem cells because embryos are destroyed/killed.

In fact this proves that conservatives were right about ADULT stem cells being the way to go, instead of embryonic stem cells, in the first place.

Get your facts straight troll.

EDITED:
FYI the debate has also ended since the Japanese along with University of Wisconsin determined how to make adult stem cells become embryonic stem cells:
Adult stem cells converted to embryonic stem cells
Adult stem cells converted to embryonic stem cells

Way to jump to conclusions.

Nowhere has any embryonic stem cell advocate claimed that adult stem cells can't be useful for treating certain types of conditions. So now we have an example of a promising therapy involving adult stem cells. But that doesn't mean that adult stem cells are always the BEST therapy (in the current example, one in three recipients DIEs) or that they are superior to embryonic stem cells for treating every disease, or even a majority of diseases.

So, no, it's not the case that "the conservatives were right," since this case doesn't address the central issue, which is that right-wing fundies are opposed to using embryonic stem cells for ANY purpose, even if it were shown that for some diseases the use of embryonic stem cells were the only or very best therapy.

Stop pretending you're open-minded.
 

daniel49

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Originally posted by: BigJelly
Cured by ADULT stem cells.

Conservatives are against EMBRYONTIC stem cells because embryos are destroyed/killed.

In fact this proves that conservatives were right about ADULT stem cells being the way to go, instead of embryonic stem cells, in the first place.

Get your facts straight troll.

EDITED:
FYI the debate has also ended since the Japanese along with University of Wisconsin determined how to make adult stem cells become embryonic stem cells:
Adult stem cells converted to embryonic stem cells
Adult stem cells converted to embryonic stem cells

QFT:thumbsup:
Typical example of the half truths often kicked around. All the breakthroughs have been in adult stem cell but lets blow the embryonic trumpet for the sake of abortion.