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stem cell research (ie one reason i'll be voting for kerry)

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along with other things that bush has fvcked up on, stem cell research has got to be one of the more devastating in the long term. i'm glad kerry is for federal money used for such research.
 
That's just one of many reasons to vote democrat this election cycle. Remember, you need a congress to support this too. Don't just go to the polls to vote by yourself, take a friend, hell take a carload of neighbors who think like you and want a change in this adminstration with its draconian idealism. The longer we keep this bonifide jerk in office, the closer we come to being like communist Russia with lose of freedoms going daily by this adminstrations twisted thinking and demagogery.
 
while i support stem cell research, i think that this issue pales in comparison to national security, especially when there are outlying HOSTILE peoples wanting to hurt us rather desperately.
 
Originally posted by: Genesys
while i support stem cell research, i think that this issue pales in comparison to national security, especially when there are outlying HOSTILE peoples wanting to hurt us rather desperately.
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National security is a big issue, but you have to also look at all the other issues as a whole. Thats where many Americans fail when they are selection a potential candidate. On a whole, Bush pushes too many negative ideas, but National Security puts him at the top.
 
not to mention that national security wasn't bush's strong point. he said it himself many times, it wasn't his priority. his actions said it too. vacations, missle defence, tax cuts, cutting anti terror funding on sept 10... that clinton nut bag and his terror obsession😛

anyways, nancy reagan and her son agree, stem cell research should be done.
 
Originally posted by: Genesys
while i support stem cell research, i think that this issue pales in comparison to national security, especially when there are outlying HOSTILE peoples wanting to hurt us rather desperately.
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9/11 attacks happened under Bush even though he was briefed about it. That speaks volumes for his "national security" merits.
 
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
9/11 attacks happened under Bush even though he was briefed about it. That speaks volumes for his "national security" merits.
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So he was told exactly when the attack would occur, exactly which buildings and other targets would be hit and what color underwear the terrorists were wearing?? sorry if I missed the link which shows he was given this info....
 
Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
9/11 attacks happened under Bush even though he was briefed about it. That speaks volumes for his "national security" merits.
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So he was told exactly when the attack would occur, exactly which buildings and other targets would be hit and what color underwear the terrorists were wearing?? sorry if I missed the link which shows he was given this info....
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Do you expect to be told all of this before you start a project at your job? No, I didn't think so, and yet most of us manage to get things done😉

It may not be an entirely damning judgement of Bush's national security capabilities, but he did have some warning that a real threat was brewing, and he didn't make it anything like his number one priority to get to the bottom of the intelligence he received about al Qaeda. Certainly this is not his most shining moment, nor does it provide strong evidence of the strength of Bush's national security focus and policies.
 
Originally posted by: Tripleshot
That's just one of many reasons to vote democrat this election cycle. Remember, you need a congress to support this too. Don't just go to the polls to vote by yourself, take a friend, hell take a carload of neighbors who think like you and want a change in this adminstration with its draconian idealism. The longer we keep this bonifide jerk in office, the closer we come to being like communist Russia with lose of freedoms going daily by this adminstrations twisted thinking and demagogery.
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Woa, excellent post TS :thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: Genesys
while i support stem cell research, i think that this issue pales in comparison to national security, especially when there are outlying HOSTILE peoples wanting to hurt us rather desperately.
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Care to post some pics of your duct-taped home?
 
Great post Tripleshot

Just one thing to keep in mind, if the administration continues we will be closer to a fascist government, not communist. Communists are far left and fascist governments are far right. And considering the best example of a fascist government (i.e. Hitler) I would rather be pink then a goose-stepping Nazi.
 
I was a Democrat strongly leaning towards towards the right the past 4-5 years. I voted for Gore but found myself getting closer to the Republican Party. The stem cell stance by the current administration will force me to vote for Kerry.

My sister was involved in horrible accident 12 years ago and is an a wheelchair. She is very active in Stem Cell research and even went to a UN conference several months ago to prevent a US driven resolution that would ban stem cell research globally.

As expected, many of the supporters of stem cell research are Kerry supporters as well. We are currently involved in some Kerry fundraisers, and in Florida every single vote counts.

getting back to my original point, I think the best government is a split one. With gridlock, it seems like Washington works better. I will vote for the Kerry/Edwards ticket with Republicans getting my vote on the congressional side.
 
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
I was a Democrat strongly leaning towards towards the right the past 4-5 years. I voted for Gore but found myself getting closer to the Republican Party. The stem cell stance by the current administration will force me to vote for Kerry.

My sister was involved in horrible accident 12 years ago and is an a wheelchair. She is very active in Stem Cell research and even went to a UN conference several months ago to prevent a US driven resolution that would ban stem cell research globally.

As expected, many of the supporters of stem cell research are Kerry supporters as well. We are currently involved in some Kerry fundraisers, and in Florida every single vote counts.

getting back to my original point, I think the best government is a split one. With gridlock, it seems like Washington works better. I will vote for the Kerry/Edwards ticket with Republicans getting my vote on the congressional side.
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Your facts are slightly off, the US didnt try to push for a global ban on stem cell research. The UN proposal was over cloning embryos for stem cell research. The US did not overly push for it, we merely supported the proposal. Costa Rica drafted the proposal, and it had support from 43 countries. Where as the proposal allowing cloning of embryos for stem cell research and other non reproductive purposes only had support from 14 countries. So they compromised and pushed any vote back until 2005.

Furthermore, you dont even need to use cloning techniques for stem cell research, and as has been proven adult stem cells are viable for research. More difficult? Maybe but still extremely viable. It also does not need to be funded by the govt. There is PLENTY of capital out there for research.

All you have to do is look at the US funded Human Genome Project as an example for why it should not be federally funded. And thats, all these "researchers" ended up patenting the individual human genes they sequenced. Basically you had the govt paying for research, then these researchers patented their research. Now anyone that wants to do further research has to pay the previous researcher a huge sum of money for licensing. Talk about the govt giving handouts.

So to sum it up.

1. Embryonic stem cell research is not banned. Its not federally funded outside the current lines.
2. Adult Stem cell research has proven to be VIABLE and is federally funded.
3. The US has not and has never pushed for the global banning of stem cell research, only the cloning of embryos.
 
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
I was a Democrat strongly leaning towards towards the right the past 4-5 years. I voted for Gore but found myself getting closer to the Republican Party. The stem cell stance by the current administration will force me to vote for Kerry.

My sister was involved in horrible accident 12 years ago and is an a wheelchair. She is very active in Stem Cell research and even went to a UN conference several months ago to prevent a US driven resolution that would ban stem cell research globally.

As expected, many of the supporters of stem cell research are Kerry supporters as well. We are currently involved in some Kerry fundraisers, and in Florida every single vote counts.

getting back to my original point, I think the best government is a split one. With gridlock, it seems like Washington works better. I will vote for the Kerry/Edwards ticket with Republicans getting my vote on the congressional side.
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Your facts are slightly off, the US didnt try to push for a global ban on stem cell research. The UN proposal was over cloning embryos for stem cell research. The US did not overly push for it, we merely supported the proposal. Costa Rica drafted the proposal, and it had support from 43 countries. Where as the proposal allowing cloning of embryos for stem cell research and other non reproductive purposes only had support from 14 countries. So they compromised and pushed any vote back until 2005.

Furthermore, you dont even need to use cloning techniques for stem cell research, and as has been proven adult stem cells are viable for research. More difficult? Maybe but still extremely viable. It also does not need to be funded by the govt. There is PLENTY of capital out there for research.

All you have to do is look at the US funded Human Genome Project as an example for why it should not be federally funded. And thats, all these "researchers" ended up patenting the individual human genes they sequenced. Basically you had the govt paying for research, then these researchers patented their research. Now anyone that wants to do further research has to pay the previous researcher a huge sum of money for licensing. Talk about the govt giving handouts.

So to sum it up.

1. Embryonic stem cell research is not banned. Its not federally funded outside the current lines.
2. Adult Stem cell research has proven to be VIABLE and is federally funded.
3. The US has not and has never pushed for the global banning of stem cell research, only the cloning of embryos.
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I was just going to post the same thoughts.

Dems have people convinced that the Republicans are against stem cell research, they are only against WHERE the stem cells come from. The cheapest source is of course aborted fetuses, which obvioulsy anything that supports abortion will not be supported by the Republicans. Then theres the source from cloning embryos, which is a totally diff debate.

But what it all boils down to is "Why cant you just use stem cells from deceased adults? as they are already used for scientific research anyways, right?" the real answer? the Dems want a safety net for thier pro-abortion stance.
 
My mother died from Alzheimer's last year. At least two of my uncles and aunts have died from it, with more probably coming. Odds are someday in the not too distant future I, and my brothers and sisters, will be facing this disease. I don't want our families to go through that suffering again, needlessly.

I don't want the federal government deciding where to spend my tax dollars based on the President's fundamentalist religious beliefs. Handicapping US medical research for religious reasons is not a policy I willingly support. As a American voter, its my right (and duty) to elect new management if I disagree with the old one. It's a valid reason not to support Mr. Bush this time around. Not the only reason, by a long shot, but definately a valid one.
 
Originally posted by: digitalsm


Your facts are slightly off, the US didnt try to push for a global ban on stem cell research. The UN proposal was over cloning embryos for stem cell research. The US did not overly push for it, we merely supported the proposal. Costa Rica drafted the proposal, and it had support from 43 countries. Where as the proposal allowing cloning of embryos for stem cell research and other non reproductive purposes only had support from 14 countries. So they compromised and pushed any vote back until 2005.

Furthermore, you dont even need to use cloning techniques for stem cell research, and as has been proven adult stem cells are viable for research. More difficult? Maybe but still extremely viable. It also does not need to be funded by the govt. There is PLENTY of capital out there for research.

All you have to do is look at the US funded Human Genome Project as an example for why it should not be federally funded. And thats, all these "researchers" ended up patenting the individual human genes they sequenced. Basically you had the govt paying for research, then these researchers patented their research. Now anyone that wants to do further research has to pay the previous researcher a huge sum of money for licensing. Talk about the govt giving handouts.

So to sum it up.

1. Embryonic stem cell research is not banned. Its not federally funded outside the current lines.
2. Adult Stem cell research has proven to be VIABLE and is federally funded.
3. The US has not and has never pushed for the global banning of stem cell research, only the cloning of embryos.
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Honestly, I don't have a lot of time to dispute your comments. I will tell you that I have been to various events held by grass roots organizations in favor of embryonic stem cell research and therapeutic cloning. They are not politically affiliated with either party. They claim that the stem cells that come from a fetus are less developed and therefore have more potential to be used in therapy or to clone organs or spinal cord tissue... The thing that is upsetting is that these fetuses are not coming from abortion clinics, they are coming from fertility clinics that will dispose of them..
 
I will always trust Science over religion. One is based on logic, facts, peer review, etc. One is based on fables, stories and ignorance.

Bush can go back to Crawford and read the Bible all day long next year. Keep these crazy Christians out of the government.
 
they are coming from fertility clinics that will dispose of them..
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Yes, supposely, fertility clinics all over the worlds are disposing them ALL the time!! why isn't the Bush government stoping all this destruction of embryos??

What's wrong with using them when they're being destroyed anyway?
 
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Originally posted by: digitalsm


Your facts are slightly off, the US didnt try to push for a global ban on stem cell research. The UN proposal was over cloning embryos for stem cell research. The US did not overly push for it, we merely supported the proposal. Costa Rica drafted the proposal, and it had support from 43 countries. Where as the proposal allowing cloning of embryos for stem cell research and other non reproductive purposes only had support from 14 countries. So they compromised and pushed any vote back until 2005.

Furthermore, you dont even need to use cloning techniques for stem cell research, and as has been proven adult stem cells are viable for research. More difficult? Maybe but still extremely viable. It also does not need to be funded by the govt. There is PLENTY of capital out there for research.

All you have to do is look at the US funded Human Genome Project as an example for why it should not be federally funded. And thats, all these "researchers" ended up patenting the individual human genes they sequenced. Basically you had the govt paying for research, then these researchers patented their research. Now anyone that wants to do further research has to pay the previous researcher a huge sum of money for licensing. Talk about the govt giving handouts.

So to sum it up.

1. Embryonic stem cell research is not banned. Its not federally funded outside the current lines.
2. Adult Stem cell research has proven to be VIABLE and is federally funded.
3. The US has not and has never pushed for the global banning of stem cell research, only the cloning of embryos.
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Honestly, I don't have a lot of time to dispute your comments. I will tell you that I have been to various events held by grass roots organizations in favor of embryonic stem cell research and therapeutic cloning. They are not politically affiliated with either party. They claim that the stem cells that come from a fetus are less developed and therefore have more potential to be used in therapy or to clone organs or spinal cord tissue... The thing that is upsetting is that these fetuses are not coming from abortion clinics, they are coming from fertility clinics that will dispose of them..
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You dont dispute my comments because everything I said was 100% accurate.
 
Originally posted by: digitalsm

So to sum it up.

1. Embryonic stem cell research is not banned. Its not federally funded outside the current lines.
2. Adult Stem cell research has proven to be VIABLE and is federally funded.
3. The US has not and has never pushed for the global banning of stem cell research, only the cloning of embryos.
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1) true, but from what the scientists on the front-line say, most of the original 72 lines are now crap. currently, about 11 are viable now.
2) true, but not nearly as flexible as embryonic stem cells.

what irks me is that all these stem cells are being wasted in fertility clinics when they could be used for important research. sure, there's private money to support such research. but one big reason that federal money should be used to support stem cell research is to show that we, as a society, deem this type of research important enough to sacrifice resources on.
 
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