Stein drops Pennsylvania recount

[peonyu]

Some folks will believe pretty much anything.

Sad.

You can say what you want, but she was caught lying about why she is not going after New Hampshire to force a recount - she claims its because its past the filing date there, but so was PA and that didnt stop her trying to force that state to do a recount by taking it to Federal court. She was caught lying, red handed. So you tell me how im supposed to believe her considering her obvious lies and how she was caught on tape lying?

That is what is sad.

 

[Jhhnn]

You can say what you want, but she was caught lying about why she is not going after New Hampshire to force a recount - she claims its because its past the filing date there, but so was PA and that didnt stop her trying to force that state to do a recount by taking it to Federal court. She was caught lying, red handed. So you tell me how im supposed to believe her considering her obvious lies and how she was caught on tape lying?

That is what is sad.

Gotta love the bullshit. Trump claimed there were millions of fraudulent votes yet opposes recounts. That's contradictory on its face, but you back up his bullshit with your own.

 

[peonyu]

Gotta love the bullshit. Trump claimed there were millions of fraudulent votes yet opposes recounts. That's contradictory on its face, but you back up his bullshit with your own.

Yea...Because that "Bullshit" as you call it, is absolute fact - Complete with video evidence from Jill Stein herself that shows that she is a lying fraud piece of shit. But yea, keep smoking that "good stuff" and denying reality, but anytime you want...go ahead and watch how lyin'Jill Stein says she is "neutral as a green party/3rd party candidate" yet wont recount New Hampshire despite Hillary winning that by barely nothing - She says she cant push a recount in New Hampshire because the deadline passed yet SHE IS PUSHING LIKE A TRAIN ON PA despite missing the deadline there and she hired lawyers to try and force a recount!!! LoL you cant make this stuff up - the ignorance of liberals...omg. And the hypocrisy and double standards...WOW, no wonder Mr.Trump won!

Meanwhile, Jill Stein singles out states Trump won by 10,000+ votes but she wont touch ANY state Hillary won by a tiny margin [Colorado, Nevada, New Hampshire, Minnesota]... So yea you are full of it and are not at all unbiased. Take the blinders off!

But bless your heart though Jhhnn!

 

[Painman]

Some folks will believe pretty much anything.

Sad.

No Shit.

 

[Double Trouble]

As someone who was born and raised in Western Pennsylvania, and my dad was a coal miner...I saw this coming. Hillary Clinton calling people "deplorables", that especially was very insulting and that was probably the most damaging thing she could have said. The "deplorables" remark felt targeted towards the people of the rust belt and its no surprise they rebelled against her and the Democratic party.

I live in Ohio, and I agree. The "deplorables" comment really goes to the heart of the problem with Hillary's campaign and the approach by the left. They are not content to point out that Trump is a bad candidate, but they take the next step to say that anyone who did not support Hillary has to be a terrible human being -- deplorable. Well guess what, there are many reasons to dislike Hillary just like there are many reasons to dislike Trump -- and most people don't like being called deplorable. There are big parts of the Democratic party that have still not learned the lesson: showing Trump to be an ass is smart, but demonizing those who voted for him is not.

 

[boomerang]

https://www.lifezette.com/polizette/steins-false-promise-free-recounts/

While Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein’s campaign is covering what’s required for the recounts she is forcing in states that tipped the scales in favor of President-Elect Trump — taxpayers will carry a hefty sum, at least in Michigan.

The estimated cost will be $5 million, said Fred Woodhams, spokesman for Michigan’s Republican Secretary of State Ruth Johnson. Stein has paid $787,500.

“Michigan voters rejected Stein’s candidacy by massive margins but her refusal to accept that state-verified result poses an expensive and risky threat to hard-working taxpayers and abuses the intent of Michigan law.”

“More than $4 million of that will be borne by Michigan taxpayers in counties across the state,” Woodhams told LifeZette. “She has already paid the maximum amount she is required to pay by state law.”

Unfortunately, it appears that the law has not kept up with the times. Hopefully the legislature will address this issue and put a price tag on a recount that will actually cover the cost of any future recounts. But for now, it looks like the residents of Michigan will cover the majority of the cost of Stein's folly. Maybe the state will be able to sue her for recompense when it's all over. Seems unlikely though.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I heard this morning that Trump is now up 45 votes so far in the Wisconsin recount.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Gotta love the bullshit. Trump claimed there were millions of fraudulent votes yet opposes recounts. That's contradictory on its face, but you back up his bullshit with your own.

Why would he support recounts when they don't address fraudulent votes by checking voter citizenship or mail-in ballot fraud? Gotta love the bullshit...it's sure getting deep in here.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

The more I read about Jill Stein, the more I see just how dishonest she is. She said this wasn't about Trump saying that she just "wanted the allow the views of the American voter to be heard". Meanwhile she holds her news conference in front of Trump Tower and targets recounts in only those States where Trump narrowly won. It was entertaining to see Chris Wallace demolish that lying POS last Sunday.

 

[fskimospy]

Why would he support recounts when they don't address fraudulent votes by checking voter citizenship or mail-in ballot fraud? Gotta love the bullshit...it's sure getting deep in here.

I just found it funny that he said his own election was marred by massive voter fraud. Sounds like he's calling for a new election to me! I mean we can only guess how many of these magical fraudulent votes were for Trump and it wouldn't take that many in total to swing the election to Clinton.

 

[PokerGuy]

hahaha, Stein absolutely destroyed for being a lying scummy illary shill. Priceless.

Lets call these recounts what they are: a clever scam to get money from gullible idiots who are desperate for any inkling of hope that the election can be turned around. As usual, a fool and his money are soon parted.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

hahaha, Stein absolutely destroyed for being a lying scummy illary shill. Priceless.

Lets call these recounts what they are: a clever scam to get money from gullible idiots who are desperate for any inkling of hope that the election can be turned around. As usual, a fool and his money are soon parted.

But she told Chris Wallace last Sunday that ALL the money was going to the recount effort despite the fine print at the end of her donation form:

"We cannot guarantee a recount will happen in any of these states we are targeting. We can only pledge we will demand recounts in those states.

If we raise more than what’s needed, the surplus will also go toward election integrity efforts and to promote voting system reform."

Basically says that the excess money collected will go into her pocket to pursue her noble agenda. And as she gets close to a fund-raising goal she keeps jacking it up. IIRC it was $2.5mm, then $5mm, then $7mm, and now $9.5mm. Fools abound.

 

[Aikouka]

As someone who was born and raised in Western Pennsylvania, and my dad was a coal miner...I saw this coming. Hillary Clinton calling people "deplorables", that especially was very insulting and that was probably the most damaging thing she could have said. The "deplorables" remark felt targeted towards the people of the rust belt and its no surprise they rebelled against her and the Democratic party.

I heard about the comment, but I never actually read/heard what was said. My assumption was that the comment was not made against the entire group, and unsurprisingly, I was correct. While it was not a smart thing to say regardless (smack talk your opponent, not the people you want to vote for you), the remark did specifically state "half of Trump's supporters".

I find that this is an interesting problem that we have as humans, and it has been mirrored in many different aspects of media. I tend to watch a bit of game-oriented content on YouTube, and you won't believe how often I have to hear people toss out the obvious caveat of "this doesn't include all of you", because people often think it does. It's strange that people can hear a negative remark about a part of a group that they're associated with, and get riled up regardless of whether or not the remark was even made toward them. Thinking about it just now... it's most likely related to how we choose to identify ourselves by the choices we make and the groups we associate with. By attacking a part of the group, it's attacking what defines the identity of these people even though they are not racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic and/or Islamophobic. (Those being the things mentioned in the speech.)

Although, as someone that grew up in eastern Pennsylvania and now lives in the south, apart from Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania seems far more like a southern state than anything. So, the push toward voting Republican doesn't surprise me much. It's really the large metropolitan areas that made it more of a Democrat state anyway.

 

[Kazukian]

I heard about the comment, but I never actually read/heard what was said. My assumption was that the comment was not made against the entire group, and unsurprisingly, I was correct. While it was not a smart thing to say regardless (smack talk your opponent, not the people you want to vote for you), the remark did specifically state "half of Trump's supporters".

I find that this is an interesting problem that we have as humans, and it has been mirrored in many different aspects of media. I tend to watch a bit of game-oriented content on YouTube, and you won't believe how often I have to hear people toss out the obvious caveat of "this doesn't include all of you", because people often think it does. It's strange that people can hear a negative remark about a part of a group that they're associated with, and get riled up regardless of whether or not the remark was even made

toward them. Thinking about it just now... it's most likely related to how we choose to identify ourselves by the choices we make and the groups we associate with. By attacking a part of the group, it's attacking what defines the identity of these people even though they are not racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic and/or Islamophobic. (Those being the things mentioned in the speech.)

Although, as someone that grew up in eastern Pennsylvania and now lives in the south, apart from Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania seems far more like a southern state than anything. So, the push toward voting Republican doesn't surprise me much. It's really the large metropolitan areas that made it more of a Democrat state anyway.

She called 1/4 of voters (1/2 of Trump supporters) deplorable, according to HRC's campaign, that comment hurt her more than any single thing they polled on, not emails, not the FBI, her health.

 

[vi edit]

The deplorable comment was definitely a rally point for some of the most..well deplorable ones. That really kicked off a ton of shit posting, memes, and brigading efforts by online Trump supporters. Instead of discouraging the activity, they embraced it.

 

[Aikouka]

She called 1/4 of voters (1/2 of Trump supporters) deplorable, according to HRC's campaign, that comment hurt her more than any single thing they polled on, not emails, not the FBI, her health.

As mentioned, I went and read the transcript, so I know what was said. The point is that there seem to be people that were offended even though she specifically stated that it wasn't the entire group. I found it interesting since this seems to happen quite a bit when remarks are made in a more general fashion. For example, if I said, "half of all Anandtech Forum posters are idiots", there are smart people that may get offended by that. They wouldn't be offended by the fact that it's a silly, generalizing remark... they're offended because they think it applies to them regardless of whether or not it does.

 

[jammix]

I'm assuming even the few people who voted for this nutcase are now having second thoughts. First she wasted everyone's time. Now she's wasting their money. Ridiculous. Her moment in the sun is over. Get over it.

although...

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

As mentioned, I went and read the transcript, so I know what was said. The point is that there seem to be people that were offended even though she specifically stated that it wasn't the entire group. I found it interesting since this seems to happen quite a bit when remarks are made in a more general fashion. For example, if I said, "half of all Anandtech Forum posters are idiots", there are smart people that may get offended by that. They wouldn't be offended by the fact that it's a silly, generalizing remark... they're offended because they think it applies to them regardless of whether or not it does.

What do you think her purpose was in making this statement? This is what confuses me here.

 

[fskimospy]

hahaha, Stein absolutely destroyed for being a lying scummy illary shill. Priceless.

Lets call these recounts what they are: a clever scam to get money from gullible idiots who are desperate for any inkling of hope that the election can be turned around. As usual, a fool and his money are soon parted.

It's interesting that Trump and his various supporters being lying, scummy shills doesn't seem to rate the same level of outrage amongst our conservatives here as does a crazy fringe candidate who got 1% of the vote, haha.

 

[FerrelGeek]

How do you raise over $6 million and can't afford $1 million for the recount?

Because the whole recount thing is a scam.

It's laughable. Libs railed against the vulgarian boob Trump for saying he'd contest the election if he lost. Look where we are now. I get that the Ds are upset; the Rs would've been if they lost. But the lengths that some on the D side are going to is crazy. And again, I'm no Trump fan.

 

[fskimospy]

Because the whole recount thing is a scam.

It's laughable. Libs railed against the vulgarian boob Trump for saying he'd contest the election if he lost. Look where we are now. I get that the Ds are upset; the Rs would've been if they lost. But the lengths that some on the D side are going to is crazy. And again, I'm no Trump fan.

What lengths are these? $6 million is nothing and it's some silly action by a fringe candidate for attention that Clinton has barely and grudgingly accepted, all for recounts that are everyone's legal right.

Of all post-election behavior possible this is incredibly, incredibly benign. Like it is almost impossible to think of action after an election that is less crazy and less extreme than this.

 

[Aikouka]

What do you think her purpose was in making this statement? This is what confuses me here.

Do you mean you're confused by her motives or by something that I said? I didn't really talk about her purpose, so I'd be the one confused if it's the latter. If it's the prior, I'm not entirely sure. I'd guess that the remark was really meant to stir up the "us vs. them" battle that was forming (or really had formed by then).

If I had to guess, it probably relates to the fact that two areas of the United States overwhelming vote Republican: the mid-west and the south (central and east). The latter is the biggest point of contention, as the area has a really bad stereotype as being racist. A lot of this stems from historical events and some from notable figures (an example would be the recent stuff about Sessions). I wouldn't be surprised if Hillary's remarks were more aimed at the stereotypically racist southern Republican voter. (Of course, that's still just a poor generalization.) Why would she want to potentially shun these voters? Honestly, I don't think she ever even considered that she could win those states anyway. However, I doubt that she considered that some of the centrist/Republican-leaning populace of the northern states would take offense to it.

I live in the south, and I can say that I know some people that didn't care for Trump at all, but they were simply glad to see Clinton lose.

 

[FerrelGeek]

And there was not one fraudulent vote cast for Clinton? Typical D my sh*t don't stink attitude. You do realize that their are allegations of fraud in Nevada, right? Isn't one of the D pet lines, 'the seriousness of the charge demands that we investigate this'? Wouldn't it be prudent and 'fair' to look into this due the the seriousness of the allegations? You don't want there to be lingering doubts of possible voter disenfranchisement, do you? Aren't you all about fairness?

For the record, I have NO clue if the Nevada allegations have a nanogram of credibility. I'm just using the 'reasoning' that's fueling the current recount in the 3 states.

I just found it funny that he said his own election was marred by massive voter fraud. Sounds like he's calling for a new election to me! I mean we can only guess how many of these magical fraudulent votes were for Trump and it wouldn't take that many in total to swing the election to Clinton.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Then let's recount all the states where Hillary barely won.

What lengths are these? $6 million is nothing and it's some silly action by a fringe candidate for attention that Clinton has barely and grudgingly accepted, all for recounts that are everyone's legal right.

Of all post-election behavior possible this is incredibly, incredibly benign. Like it is almost impossible to think of action after an election that is less crazy and less extreme than this.

 

[Bird222]

Then let's recount all the states where Hillary barely won.

See I don't mind this because I want the truth known. I find it hilarious that Trump and many of his supporters have been saying all along that it's rigged but then don't want a recount. Hey let's recount California too. He said millions of illegal votes happened so let's see.