Stealth Bomber crashes in Guam

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LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: BrownTown
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Xylitol
those bombers are such a waste of money

Yeah, being able to fly anywhere and not get shot down is such a waste of money.

Prertty much ALL our planes are immune to the air defense of the crappy third world countires we fight, I mean how many non-stealth aircraft are getting shot down? There is no need for a 1.2.Billion dollar aircraft when a cheap ass 15 million dollar plane can do the job just as good.

Can it? What's the use if having any better technologies for the present or future? I guess we shouldn't strive to stay ahead of people. Sounds like you'll go far in life. Even the b-52 cost 30m and that's a pretty cheap plane.
 

irishScott

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Originally posted by: BrownTown
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Xylitol
those bombers are such a waste of money

Yeah, being able to fly anywhere and not get shot down is such a waste of money.

Prertty much ALL our planes are immune to the air defense of the crappy third world countires we fight, I mean how many non-stealth aircraft are getting shot down? There is no need for a 1.2.Billion dollar aircraft when a cheap ass 15 million dollar plane can do the job just as good.

Ummm... Iran and Syria have relatively sophisticated AA systems. North Korea's not to shabby in this department either TMK. Older fighters have a much higher chance (albeit not that high) of getting shot down. B-2s and other stealth aircraft have a virtually 100% chance of avoiding even the most advanced AA systems. B-2s are also bombers and thus can carry higher payloads than fighters. Try flying any old-school bomber over a decent AA system and see what happens...

And jamming the radar isn't always possible...

 

Insomniator

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Ok so does anyone else think we got that technology from Aliens?

Seriously though, how cool is that thing.

Waste of money? yeah.. screw military technology when a good part of the world would love to have a few B2's to use against the U.S...
 

imported_Baloo

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Damn, cut the AF some slack. I believe that this is the first crash EVER for the B2.

Well, at least since they finished pre-production testing. There were a few crashes then.
 

WingZero94

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I was stationed at Whiteman when I was in the AF. These birds are beautiful and technological wonders.

1. This is the first B2 Crash Ever. It's operating record is outstanding.
2. This was at Andersen AFB, Guam.
3. They don't roll off the ground with Nukes due to START
4. TCO is more like 2.5 billion

Let's be happy that both the pilots are ok. I don't envy them right now though - it's gonna be a tough investigation!
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: BrownTown
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Xylitol
those bombers are such a waste of money

Yeah, being able to fly anywhere and not get shot down is such a waste of money.

Prertty much ALL our planes are immune to the air defense of the crappy third world countires we fight, I mean how many non-stealth aircraft are getting shot down? There is no need for a 1.2.Billion dollar aircraft when a cheap ass 15 million dollar plane can do the job just as good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-15_Eagle
"To date, no air superiority versions of the F-15 (A/B/C/D models) have ever been shot down by an enemy."

Sounds good to me
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Xylitol
those bombers are such a waste of money

Yeah, being able to fly anywhere and not get shot down is such a waste of money.

You have a point. unless.... it crashes? :confused:

So the whole plane fleet is worthless because 1 crashes. Wow, great logic people use.

Might as well scrap every plane out there.
 

olds

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Originally posted by: GoatMonkey
It's amazing how many people on a technology web site are against a high tech airplane.

I think it falls more along the lines of ignorant/stupid.
 

ManSnake

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B2 sucks! We should focus our effort on building an aircraft carrier that actually flies!
 

irishScott

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Originally posted by: ManSnake
B2 sucks! We should focus our effort on building an aircraft carrier that actually flies!

Think I saw something on the history channel where the Soviets actually designed a naval cruiser that could take off from sea y and land again.
 

LikeLinus

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: BrownTown
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Xylitol
those bombers are such a waste of money

Yeah, being able to fly anywhere and not get shot down is such a waste of money.

Prertty much ALL our planes are immune to the air defense of the crappy third world countires we fight, I mean how many non-stealth aircraft are getting shot down? There is no need for a 1.2.Billion dollar aircraft when a cheap ass 15 million dollar plane can do the job just as good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-15_Eagle
"To date, no air superiority versions of the F-15 (A/B/C/D models) have ever been shot down by an enemy."

Sounds good to me

"The F-15E sustained two losses to ground fire in the Gulf War in 1991. One F-15E was lost in the 2003, Invasion of Iraq, probably due to ground fire."

http://www.flightlevel350.com/...15_aircraft_facts.html
 

91TTZ

Lifer
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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: BrownTown
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Xylitol
those bombers are such a waste of money

Yeah, being able to fly anywhere and not get shot down is such a waste of money.

Prertty much ALL our planes are immune to the air defense of the crappy third world countires we fight, I mean how many non-stealth aircraft are getting shot down? There is no need for a 1.2.Billion dollar aircraft when a cheap ass 15 million dollar plane can do the job just as good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-15_Eagle
"To date, no air superiority versions of the F-15 (A/B/C/D models) have ever been shot down by an enemy."

Sounds good to me

You listed an air superiority fighter. The B2 is a bomber.

Sure, the F-15 costs less. But it's not going to carry 50,000 lbs of bombs thousands of miles, either. It's a different tool for a different job.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: BrownTown
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Xylitol
those bombers are such a waste of money

Yeah, being able to fly anywhere and not get shot down is such a waste of money.

Prertty much ALL our planes are immune to the air defense of the crappy third world countires we fight, I mean how many non-stealth aircraft are getting shot down? There is no need for a 1.2.Billion dollar aircraft when a cheap ass 15 million dollar plane can do the job just as good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-15_Eagle
"To date, no air superiority versions of the F-15 (A/B/C/D models) have ever been shot down by an enemy."

Sounds good to me

"The F-15E sustained two losses to ground fire in the Gulf War in 1991. One F-15E was lost in the 2003, Invasion of Iraq, probably due to ground fire."

http://www.flightlevel350.com/...15_aircraft_facts.html

He clearly pointed out "air superiority versions (A/B/C/D models)" in his post. You're posting about the E model, the Strike Eagle.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: BrownTown
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Xylitol
those bombers are such a waste of money

Yeah, being able to fly anywhere and not get shot down is such a waste of money.

Prertty much ALL our planes are immune to the air defense of the crappy third world countires we fight, I mean how many non-stealth aircraft are getting shot down? There is no need for a 1.2.Billion dollar aircraft when a cheap ass 15 million dollar plane can do the job just as good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-15_Eagle
"To date, no air superiority versions of the F-15 (A/B/C/D models) have ever been shot down by an enemy."

Sounds good to me

"The F-15E sustained two losses to ground fire in the Gulf War in 1991. One F-15E was lost in the 2003, Invasion of Iraq, probably due to ground fire."

http://www.flightlevel350.com/...15_aircraft_facts.html

He clearly pointed out "air superiority versions (A/B/C/D models)" in his post. You're posting about the E model, the Strike Eagle.

I laugh at this whole thread line. Why? Because somebody says that 15m is the right plane. Then somebody else chimes in that the AS versions of the 15 are right to replace the B-2. Those versions are 2x the original 15m and aren't even a replacement for the b-2. Apples and oranges.

People are so odd sometimes.
 

randay

Lifer
May 30, 2006
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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: BrownTown
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Xylitol
those bombers are such a waste of money

Yeah, being able to fly anywhere and not get shot down is such a waste of money.

Prertty much ALL our planes are immune to the air defense of the crappy third world countires we fight, I mean how many non-stealth aircraft are getting shot down? There is no need for a 1.2.Billion dollar aircraft when a cheap ass 15 million dollar plane can do the job just as good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-15_Eagle
"To date, no air superiority versions of the F-15 (A/B/C/D models) have ever been shot down by an enemy."

Sounds good to me

"The F-15E sustained two losses to ground fire in the Gulf War in 1991. One F-15E was lost in the 2003, Invasion of Iraq, probably due to ground fire."

http://www.flightlevel350.com/...15_aircraft_facts.html

He clearly pointed out "air superiority versions (A/B/C/D models)" in his post. You're posting about the E model, the Strike Eagle.

I laugh at this whole thread line. Why? Because somebody says that 15m is the right plane. Then somebody else chimes in that the AS versions of the 15 are right to replace the B-2. Those versions are 2x the original 15m and aren't even a replacement for the b-2. Apples and oranges.

People are so odd sometimes.

no, they are right, your common ATOT user could easily spend the 1.2 bil much much more efficiently then the military.


/sarcasm
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: GoatMonkey
It's amazing how many people on a technology web site are against a high tech airplane.
When your tax dollars are paying the $1.2 billion price tag, it gives you a different perspective.

Maybe you're still in middle school? Post back with your opinion once you're old enough to file your federal returns.

I'm glad to hear Americans got their money's worth :roll:

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Yeah, being able to fly anywhere and not get shot down is such a waste of money.
You worried about the al-Qaeda Air Force?
 

91TTZ

Lifer
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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: GoatMonkey
It's amazing how many people on a technology web site are against a high tech airplane.
When our tax dollars are paying the $1.2 billion price tag, it gives you a different perspective.

Maybe you're still in middle school? Post back with your opinion once you're old enough to file your federal returns.

I'm glad to hear Americans got their money's worth :roll:

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Yeah, being able to fly anywhere and not get shot down is such a waste of money.
You worried about the al-Qaeda Air Force?

Don't forget that when they developed the thing the Soviet Union was still around. It's not like they designed this to fight against a third world country. On the contrary, the fall of the Soviet Union is what kept the B-52 is service so much longer. It's more cost effective to fly and it does the job.

Since the B-2's were already purchased, what did you expect the government to do with them?
 

LegendKiller

Lifer
Mar 5, 2001
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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: GoatMonkey
It's amazing how many people on a technology web site are against a high tech airplane.
When your tax dollars are paying the $1.2 billion price tag, it gives you a different perspective.

Maybe you're still in middle school? Post back with your opinion once you're old enough to file your federal returns.

I'm glad to hear Americans got their money's worth :roll:

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Yeah, being able to fly anywhere and not get shot down is such a waste of money.
You worried about the al-Qaeda Air Force?

Why don't you go back to your horse and carriage. I heard it's much more fuel efficient.