Stealing Democracy?

[techs]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvm0cWgHp6A

Should be more detailed, but makes its point.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Do we no longer require any comments, no matter how inane?

 

[colonel]

I’m fed up with these lying fascist Republicans and their Screaming Baggers. They are taking secret money from foreign corporations and publicly announcing that they will give tax breaks to giant corporations if they can get elected.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Hee Haw! Hee Haw! The left is flailing around at anything that moves. I seriously hope we don't get somebody going nuts and blowing shit up on November 3rd.. the hatred flowing from the left is only serving to encourage the fringe elements of the left to act violently.. The left really needs to tone down their rhetoric before they end up getting some people killed.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Hee Haw! Hee Haw! The left is flailing around at anything that moves. I seriously hope we don't get somebody going nuts and blowing shit up on November 3rd.. the hatred flowing from the left is only serving to encourage the fringe elements of the left to act violently.. The left really needs to tone down their rhetoric before they end up getting some people killed.

Getting a bit old, this shtick is. :hmm:

 

[CallMeJoe]

Hee Haw! Hee Haw! The left is flailing around at anything that moves. I seriously hope we don't get somebody going nuts and blowing shit up on November 3rd.. the hatred flowing from the left is only serving to encourage the fringe elements of the left to act violently.. The left really needs to tone down their rhetoric before they end up getting some people killed.

I agree, this Democratic talk of "Second Amendment Solutions" to a loss at the polls is extreme beyond belief.

 

[Generator]

The Republican has become an American pervert that slithers in the shadowy periphery of dignity, morality, and loyalty. At their core the Republican only cares for a bag of cash which buys all sorts of pathetic favors. This sad race to the bottom of the barrel America, where a Republican may pay you the wage of $2 dollars if they are feeling generous.

The desperation of the Republican is appalling. This surely is a party in its last throes.

 

[Lemon law]

Even as a democrat, I have to wonder about these charges.

If the Republicans and the Chamber of commerce is taking foreign money and stealing our democracy, the onus of proof is now on the democrats who have offered up no proof.

Now if the democrats can offer up any proof, it becomes a more slam dunk case, failing that its just more bullshit in an American political landscape awash in bullshit.

Does bullshit start to taste better after we develop a taste for it? Sort of like the cork after taste in fine wine?

" Mud Mud Glorious Mud, nothing quite like it for cooling the blood"

 

[Lemon law]

Oh come on come on, Achamadinejad is just another wanna bee Rock star, will he make it to the cover of the Rolling Stone?

 

[ProfJohn]

What a joke!!!!

The chamber has taken $400,000 from foreign sources, which they aren't using for political ads, and you guys are all upset??

The RNC should respond with an ad about how Democrats stole money from the American people in order to bailout their union friends at GM and Chrysler.

Ad copy:
The Democrats are stealing money from the American tax payer and giving it to their donors.

In 2008 the UAW and other unions spent over a $100 million getting Democrats elected and the Democrats responded by spending over $30 billion to take over car companies and give control of them to the unions.

Now the Democrats want to raise your taxes so they can take even more of your money and give it to their biggest donors.

 

[JS80]

Democracy, where 51% vote to steal from the 49%!

 

[werepossum]

Democrats hate theft - unless it's by government action. (Or of course, unless the thief is underprivileged. Or is one of the elite. Or . . .)

 

[theeedude]

Republican appointees on USSC overturned disclosure requirements, so GOP only has itself to blame when people ask questions where the money supporting them comes from.

 

[Craig234]

Even as a democrat, I have to wonder about these charges.

If the Republicans and the Chamber of commerce is taking foreign money and stealing our democracy, the onus of proof is now on the democrats who have offered up no proof.

Now if the democrats can offer up any proof, it becomes a more slam dunk case, failing that its just more bullshit in an American political landscape awash in bullshit.

Does bullshit start to taste better after we develop a taste for it? Sort of like the cork after taste in fine wine?

" Mud Mud Glorious Mud, nothing quite like it for cooling the blood"

Proof is pretty hard to come by, if it is happening.

Another issue is simply how much a problem it is that it COULD be happening, how there's such a danger in the system that has no way to catch it if it does.

If tomorrow we just said 'here are a bunch of rules for politicians on spending to prevent wrongdoing, but we're going to not require any information except them to deny it'...

 

[Painman]

Welcome to 3 days ago. Is this the first P&N topic on the subject? Granted, I don't stop by here that often anymore. Poo flinging is much more entertaining when witnessed at the zoo.

In any case, the GOP is spinning, and therefore losing, on this issue. If the DNC knows what's good for it, they'll run this ad in every district, up till election day, where the CoC is known to have run attack ads. This is pretty lethal toxin. Hits right where it hurts (jobs).

The CoC is caught red handed, literally. Jacking off China. Doesn't really matter if the money came from there, or not. Let the GOP twist in the wind until election day assuring people it didn't.

 

[werepossum]

Proof is pretty hard to come by, if it is happening.

Another issue is simply how much a problem it is that it COULD be happening, how there's such a danger in the system that has no way to catch it if it does.

If tomorrow we just said 'here are a bunch of rules for politicians on spending to prevent wrongdoing, but we're going to not require any information except them to deny it'...

Considering that proof is pretty hard to come by, shouldn't we be examining the party with whom the ChiComs agree on most everything, who coincidentally is the party with a previous history of widespread and direct foreign campaign funding (Clinton) and whose big supporter and number one visitor to the Obama White House is the head of the Service Employees INTERNATIONAL Union?

I know the Dems have to run as quickly as possible from their record and their President, but surely even over their shoulder they can do a better slur than this for such a target-rich environment as the GOP. Accusing the GOP of being in bed with the ChiComs merely reminds the public of how much the Dems are in line with the ChiComs.

 

[Painman]

Considering that proof is pretty hard to come by, shouldn't we be examining the party with whom the ChiComs agree on most everything, who coincidentally is the party with a previous history of widespread and direct foreign campaign funding (Clinton) and whose big supporter and number one visitor to the Obama White House is the head of the Service Employees INTERNATIONAL Union?

I know the Dems have to run as quickly as possible from their record and their President, but surely even over their shoulder they can do a better slur than this for such a target-rich environment as the GOP. Accusing the GOP of being in bed with the ChiComs merely reminds the public of how much the Dems are in line with the ChiComs.

You still think China is Communist? And actually wants to entertain relations with labor organizations?

I hope you're actually just some sort of paid comedy relief poster... otherwise...

 

[werepossum]

You still think China is Communist? And actually wants to entertain relations with labor organizations?

I hope you're actually just some sort of paid comedy relief poster... otherwise...

Yes. I, and pretty much the rest of the world, still think China is Communist. (In fact, there's at least one Noble Peace Prize winner who would agree.) I realize it may no longer have the Communist purity some of you prefer, but hey, you've still got Cuba and North Korea.

 

[Painman]

Yes. I, and pretty much the rest of the world, still think China is Communist. (In fact, there's at least one Noble Peace Prize winner who would agree.) I realize it may no longer have the Communist purity some of you prefer, but hey, you've still got Cuba and North Korea.

You obviously don't know how to differentiate fiscally ideological disctinctions of a society from the social... China is socially Authoritatrian, but that says nothing about its current fiscal philosophy which is a strange mix of gov't industry (such as the CNOOC) and private (such as General Motors).

Modern day China is economically highly privatized. If labor unions held any sway there, then 90% of everything you buy nowadays wouldn't have been made there.

I really should bill you $50 for this response, if there were a way. You're tragically ignorant. But I suspect willingly as well. You're a waste of time.

 

[Craig234]

Considering that proof is pretty hard to come by, shouldn't we be examining the party with whom the ChiComs agree on most everything, who coincidentally is the party with a previous history of widespread and direct foreign campaign funding (Clinton) and whose big supporter and number one visitor to the Obama White House is the head of the Service Employees INTERNATIONAL Union?

I know the Dems have to run as quickly as possible from their record and their President, but surely even over their shoulder they can do a better slur than this for such a target-rich environment as the GOP. Accusing the GOP of being in bed with the ChiComs merely reminds the public of how much the Dems are in line with the ChiComs.

Actually, the authoritarian Chinese and the American corporatocracy are much more natural allies, except when they're competing, but they're far more partners.

It's the liberals who are the pesky protestors for the common citizen here and there. The Nobel Peace Prize winner is in the liberal tradition, not the corporatized GOP's.

Tom DeLay being the guest of a slave factory owner in the Mariannas Islands, praising him as the model for the world, while blocking the Democrats' reforms to help the Chinese women who worked there under such oppression, is the model for the Republicans. You have it backwards, as usual.

 

[hal2kilo]

You obviously don't know how to differentiate fiscally ideological disctinctions of a society from the social... China is socially Authoritatrian, but that says nothing about its current fiscal philosophy which is a strange mix of gov't industry (such as the CNOOC) and private (such as General Motors.

It's actually a Fascist wetdream by definition and also a wetdream of the global corporatists which are major funders of Rove's Crossroads pacs.

 

[Moonbeam]

Getting a bit old, this shtick is. :hmm:

Why? Does he fail at flailing? Were you here for 'the stupid are to stupid to know how stupid' they are thread?

 

[werepossum]

You obviously don't know how to differentiate fiscally ideological disctinctions of a society from the social... China is socially Authoritatrian, but that says nothing about its current fiscal philosophy which is a strange mix of gov't industry (such as the CNOOC) and private (such as General Motors).

Modern day China is economically highly privatized. If labor unions held any sway there, then 90% of everything you buy nowadays wouldn't have been made there.

I really should bill you $50 for this response, if there were a way. You're tragically ignorant. But I suspect willingly as well. You're a waste of time.

Communism is an economic system, but also a political system. In China's case, the political system far predates the economic system and is surviving it nicely. It is amazing though that people who are able to see that privatization and capitalism have lifted Communist China from the mud are hellbent on driving away privatization and capitalism in our own country, substituting "government knows best" central planning. There's a cogent point in economic studies: "None of us are as smart as all of us." China is learning that lesson; we are trying to unlearn it, to our great detriment.

As far as billing me $50, thank you but no. I do not patronize whores - and for $50 I'd expect more mental stimulation than you could provide.

 

[techs]

Republican appointees on USSC overturned disclosure requirements, so GOP only has itself to blame when people ask questions where the money supporting them comes from.

Simple solution. Reveal the sources of the funding.
Oh, wait. The Republicans claim that will "endanger our Demcracy"

 

[BigDH01]

Communism is an economic system, but also a political system. In China's case, the political system far predates the economic system and is surviving it nicely. It is amazing though that people who are able to see that privatization and capitalism have lifted Communist China from the mud are hellbent on driving away privatization and capitalism in our own country, substituting "government knows best" central planning. There's a cogent point in economic studies: "None of us are as smart as all of us." China is learning that lesson; we are trying to unlearn it, to our great detriment.

As far as billing me $50, thank you but no. I do not patronize whores - and for $50 I'd expect more mental stimulation than you could provide.

What are you talking about? State owned enterprises comprise 40% of China's GDP. And, although I'm tired of posting this link, according to The Wall Street Journal's and The Heritage's report, their economic freedom index is little changed in over a decade.

http://www.heritage.org/index/Country/China

They are still ranked #140 in the world (US is #8). People need to get this through their heads; American capital is not going to China because China is some bastion of free market principles, American capital is going to China because the Chinese government is basically offering up half a billion people at slave wages (due to Mercantilist policies). Capital does not care about individual freedom, capital does not care about market freedom, capital only cares about returns, and half a billion peasant laborers with no ability to organize or protest offer great returns.