Status of Missing Navy Captain Changed
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After nearly 12 years of torture? He'd prolly be better off dead. I can't even begin to imagine beging tortured for TWELVE YEARS!
Well, it would be another reason for the Bush Administration to attack Iraq. "Give us back our serviceman or get bombed!"
I didn't say it was a -valid- reason.
*sigh*
I'm kind of disappointed. I'm still holding out some hope that Bush is using all of this as a smoke-screen for a secret raid that will just blow up Saddam in one quick strike, but I guess it's turning out to be just a pipe dream.
And for the bloody wankers who do nothing but find ways of bashing it and refuse to see the good that he's doing.
Anyway, if this guy is alive, he should get one HELL of a home-coming party when we go to get him -and we will. This guy had better get the rest of his life served to him on a platinum platter! He deserves it.
But, if he's dead, I want to see a televised full color-guard precision military funeral. Dunno know the details, but if there was some sort of breakdown of communication or surveilance and he was left to rot by some stupid mistake, the go'bment better own up.
nik
Originally posted by: Ime
Well, it would be another reason for the Bush Administration to attack Iraq. "Give us back our serviceman or get bombed!"
I didn't say it was a -valid- reason.
*sigh*
I'm kind of disappointed. I'm still holding out some hope that Bush is using all of this as a smoke-screen for a secret raid that will just blow up Saddam in one quick strike, but I guess it's turning out to be just a pipe dream.
I hope you never get captured overseas. If one of our servicemen is not worthy of rescue, you are surely are not either.
shiner
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You want to talk long term torture? Look here it's really too bad more people don't know him for what he did for the country. Sadly most just remember him as Ross Perot's running mate.
Here is some info from another page...
This web page is dedicated to Medal of Honor holder Vice Admiral James Bond Stockdale, USN (retired). Admiral Stockdale (then a Commander), was the Commander of Carrier Air Wing 16, on board the carrier USS Oriskany (CVA-34), when he flew on a mission with Attack Squadron 163 on September 9, 1965. On that mission, Commander Stockdale's A-4E Skyhawk, BuNo. 151134, was hit by enemy AAA fire and he was forced to eject from the aircraft over enemy territory. He was captured by the North Vietnamese and imprisoned for 7½ years, during which he suffered hideous torture, horrible abuse, debasement, and starvation. Promoted to the rank of Captain in absentia while a Prisoner of War, Stockdale was released from captivity at war's end in early 1973. Subsequently, he was promoted to the rank of Rear Admiral, and then to Vice Admiral, the rank in which he retired from active duty. In 1992, Admiral Stockdale was a candidate for Vice President of the United States of America.
Medal of Honor Citation:
For conspicous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty while senior naval officer in the Prisoner of War camps of North Vietnam.
Recognized by his captors as the leader in the Prisoners' of War resistance to interrogation and in their refusal to participate in propaganda exploitation, Rear Admiral Stockdale was singled out for interrogation and attendant torture after he was detected in a covert communications attempt.
Sensing the start of another purge, and aware that his earlier efforts at self disfiguration to dissuade his captors from exploiting him for propaganda purposes had resulted in cruel and agonizing punishment, Rear Admiral Stockdale resolved to make himself a symbol of resistance regardless of personal sacrifice. He deliberately inflicted a near-mortal wound to his person in order to convince his captors of his willingness to give up his life rather than capitulate. He was subsequently discovered and revived by the North Vietnamese who, convinced of his indomitable spirit, abated in their employment of excessive harassment and torture toward all of the Prisoners of War.
By his heroic action, at great peril to himself, he earned the everlasting gratitude of his fellow prisoners and of his country. Rear Admiral Stockdale's valiant leadership and extraordinary courage in a hostile environment sustain and enhance the finest traditions of the U.S. Naval Service.
Here is some info from another page...
This web page is dedicated to Medal of Honor holder Vice Admiral James Bond Stockdale, USN (retired). Admiral Stockdale (then a Commander), was the Commander of Carrier Air Wing 16, on board the carrier USS Oriskany (CVA-34), when he flew on a mission with Attack Squadron 163 on September 9, 1965. On that mission, Commander Stockdale's A-4E Skyhawk, BuNo. 151134, was hit by enemy AAA fire and he was forced to eject from the aircraft over enemy territory. He was captured by the North Vietnamese and imprisoned for 7½ years, during which he suffered hideous torture, horrible abuse, debasement, and starvation. Promoted to the rank of Captain in absentia while a Prisoner of War, Stockdale was released from captivity at war's end in early 1973. Subsequently, he was promoted to the rank of Rear Admiral, and then to Vice Admiral, the rank in which he retired from active duty. In 1992, Admiral Stockdale was a candidate for Vice President of the United States of America.
Medal of Honor Citation:
For conspicous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty while senior naval officer in the Prisoner of War camps of North Vietnam.
Recognized by his captors as the leader in the Prisoners' of War resistance to interrogation and in their refusal to participate in propaganda exploitation, Rear Admiral Stockdale was singled out for interrogation and attendant torture after he was detected in a covert communications attempt.
Sensing the start of another purge, and aware that his earlier efforts at self disfiguration to dissuade his captors from exploiting him for propaganda purposes had resulted in cruel and agonizing punishment, Rear Admiral Stockdale resolved to make himself a symbol of resistance regardless of personal sacrifice. He deliberately inflicted a near-mortal wound to his person in order to convince his captors of his willingness to give up his life rather than capitulate. He was subsequently discovered and revived by the North Vietnamese who, convinced of his indomitable spirit, abated in their employment of excessive harassment and torture toward all of the Prisoners of War.
By his heroic action, at great peril to himself, he earned the everlasting gratitude of his fellow prisoners and of his country. Rear Admiral Stockdale's valiant leadership and extraordinary courage in a hostile environment sustain and enhance the finest traditions of the U.S. Naval Service.
We can bargain : Pilot back or Nukes
But why did Bush admin wait till TODAY to tell us about this ?
Ohh I see .. somewhere I saw the Iraq war mentioned .. hmm .. where was it ???
Oh no .. CIA inflitrated Iraqui intelligence and found Navy Pilot being tourtered.
WAR OR NO WAR we need him back NOW.........
Correct me if I am wrong :
During Op Desert Storm, 5000 Iraquis surenderd to US forces even before a armoured invasion beagn .. fearing what will happen if they do fail to act under Saddam;s orders ..knowing well how their own Republican Guards would kill them mercilessly.
Enemy to them is better than their won .. imagine what they must have done to US
servicemen
But why did Bush admin wait till TODAY to tell us about this ?
Ohh I see .. somewhere I saw the Iraq war mentioned .. hmm .. where was it ???
Oh no .. CIA inflitrated Iraqui intelligence and found Navy Pilot being tourtered.
WAR OR NO WAR we need him back NOW.........
Correct me if I am wrong :
During Op Desert Storm, 5000 Iraquis surenderd to US forces even before a armoured invasion beagn .. fearing what will happen if they do fail to act under Saddam;s orders ..knowing well how their own Republican Guards would kill them mercilessly.
Enemy to them is better than their won .. imagine what they must have done to US
servicemen
I'm not saying he's not worthy of being rescued, he most certainly is.
I'm saying that I think the Bush adminstration is timing the release of this news for the largest political effect.
Right after the Iraq vote, and the day of the democrat's economic conference? Puhlease.
Besides, the guy's family has been claiming he's MIA for at least the last year.
I'm saying that I think the Bush adminstration is timing the release of this news for the largest political effect.
Right after the Iraq vote, and the day of the democrat's economic conference? Puhlease.
Besides, the guy's family has been claiming he's MIA for at least the last year.
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Ime
Well, it would be another reason for the Bush Administration to attack Iraq. "Give us back our serviceman or get bombed!"
I didn't say it was a -valid- reason.
*sigh*
I'm kind of disappointed. I'm still holding out some hope that Bush is using all of this as a smoke-screen for a secret raid that will just blow up Saddam in one quick strike, but I guess it's turning out to be just a pipe dream.
I hope you never get captured overseas. If one of our servicemen is not worthy of rescue, you are surely are not either.
?
Since when did I say servicemen were not worthy of rescue? You sir, read too much between the lines.
Personally, I'm all for taking Saddam down. I'd just prefer it was a quick strike rather than a knock-down dragout war.
Hell, a small tactical nuke on his bunker would be better overall, less casualties on both sides. I'm think that we just don't have enough intelligence to pin down his exact position though. If we could I'd rather kill him with bombs than ground troops.
If it comes down to ground troops though, I'll be behind it 100%.
Can you show any proof to that ?
Is yes then G W Bush is as much a tryant despot than the one he is after.
I would expect the life of a US Serviceman would not be considered so casually. Not saying I don't expect any polititian to act any differently, Republican or Democrat.
tT has been a rumour that he was alive for about the last year, but there has been no real evidence to prove it. Maybe something has changed.
It is a very valid reason.
There was talk about a year or so ago that this guy might be alive. The Iraquis denied it and there is still no proof that he is however if he is or there is evidence that he lived in captivity for any length of time after the Gulf War then, at a minimum, Saddam should not be allowed to live through the day.
Did ANY of you actually listen to Bush's speech last Monday? He specifically mentioned that Iraq should give the U.S. any information about an American Pilot who was lost during the Gulf War.
This is probably that guy.
This is probably that guy.
Dave, you are taking a pretty shortsighted view of the world. If I were in the service, I would gladly surrender my life to prevent thousands upon thousands more deaths.
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