Statement by man who threw shoe at Bush on why he did

Craig234

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Why I Threw the Shoe
I am no hero. I just acted as an Iraqi who witnessed the pain and bloodshed of too many innocents
by Muntazer al-Zaidi

I am free. But my country is still a prisoner of war. There has been a lot of talk about the action and about the person who took it, and about the hero and the heroic act, and the symbol and the symbolic act. But, simply, I answer: what compelled me to act is the injustice that befell my people, and how the occupation wanted to humiliate my homeland by putting it under its boot.

Over recent years, more than a million martyrs have fallen by the bullets of the occupation and Iraq is now filled with more than five million orphans, a million widows and hundreds of thousands of maimed. Many millions are homeless inside and outside the country.

We used to be a nation in which the Arab would share with the Turkman and the Kurd and the Assyrian and the Sabean and the Yazid his daily bread. And the Shia would pray with the Sunni in one line. And the Muslim would celebrate with the Christian the birthday of Christ. This despite the fact that we shared hunger under sanctions for more than a decade.

Our patience and our solidarity did not make us forget the oppression. But the invasion divided brother from brother, neighbour from neighbour. It turned our homes into funeral tents.

I am not a hero. But I have a point of view. I have a stance. It humiliated me to see my country humiliated; and to see my Baghdad burned, my people killed. Thousands of tragic pictures remained in my head, pushing me towards the path of confrontation. The scandal of Abu Ghraib. The massacre of Falluja, Najaf, Haditha, Sadr City, Basra, Diyala, Mosul, Tal Afar, and every inch of our wounded land. I travelled through my burning land and saw with my own eyes the pain of the victims, and heard with my own ears the screams of the orphans and the bereaved. And a feeling of shame haunted me like an ugly name because I was powerless.

As soon as I finished my professional duties in reporting the daily tragedies, while I washed away the remains of the debris of the ruined Iraqi houses, or the blood that stained my clothes, I would clench my teeth and make a pledge to our victims, a pledge of vengeance.

The opportunity came, and I took it.

I took it out of loyalty to every drop of innocent blood that has been shed through the occupation or because of it, every scream of a bereaved mother, every moan of an orphan, the sorrow of a rape victim, the teardrop of an orphan.

I say to those who reproach me: do you know how many broken homes that shoe which I threw had entered? How many times it had trodden over the blood of innocent victims? Maybe that shoe was the appropriate response when all values were violated.

When I threw the shoe in the face of the criminal, George Bush, I wanted to express my rejection of his lies, his occupation of my country, my rejection of his killing my people. My rejection of his plundering the wealth of my country, and destroying its infrastructure. And casting out its sons into a diaspora.

If I have wronged journalism without intention, because of the professional embarrassment I caused the establishment, I apologise. All that I meant to do was express with a living conscience the feelings of a citizen who sees his homeland desecrated every day. The professionalism mourned by some under the auspices of the occupation should not have a voice louder than the voice of patriotism. And if patriotism needs to speak out, then professionalism should be allied with it.

I didn't do this so my name would enter history or for material gains. All I wanted was to defend my country.

I think the right name for him is 'patriot'.

There's a certain logic that people think if there's not this sort of rebellion, then things much not be very bad, and that basically forces acts of rebellion.

He's said separately that he was abused an tortured in detention. The injustice of such treatment of someone who had such reasonable outrage is terrible.
 

jonks

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That's nice.

Frankly I don't give a crap. You do that to a visiting head of state, your ass belongs in jail. Not years in jail, but to jail you must certainly go. He's lucky SS didn't open fire in the room and accidentally kill bystanders.

As to his torture claims, I'll wait and see what any evidence shows. He's super high profile, torturing him would just be dumb.
 

chucky2

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Why would he throw a shoe at Bush? Bush made it possible that he could even think of throwing a shoe, much less live afterwards.

If he really wanted to take those to task for those responsible, he should have gone and thrown his shoes at the clerics mind F'ing the populace over there. Gone and thrown his shoes at all his countrypeople who decided to kill each other. Gone and thrown his shoes at Iran for stoking the violence. Gone and thrown his shoes at....well, I think you get the picture.

This guy is exactly what's wrong with the ME mindset: It's everyone's fault but me and mine.

In short: He should throw his shoes in his own face.

Chuck
 

Jaskalas

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Not sure what to say to this.

You call him a patriot? He is not ours.

On the reasons that our intelligence was false and our action strengthened our enemy in Iran, I denounce the invasion of Iraq. Took me til 2006 to come to that conclusion. Should I have shoes thrown at me by patriots?

As for his abuse after the shoe toss, what else would you expect Iraqis to do to someone? I feel confident that he was tortured simply because it was not us who held him. We would have treated him far better than his own people. Or at least that is the standard I expect from us.

Should he throw shoes at himself? I wouldn?t say that. I can figure that he has felt a great deal of suffering. He is ultimately powerless and he is neither capable nor competent enough to stop his own people from killing each other. Of course, we can?t stop it either.

Iraqi suffering is a shoe on all our faces.
 

OCGuy

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Thankfully he had the absolute shit beat out of him and time taken away from his life. Hes lucky he wasnt hanged.

I partially blame the US Secret Service for not weeding the whackos out of the press events.
 

Corn

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Obviously the shoe thrower is a racist for interrupting the President during a speech.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Corn
Obviously the shoe thrower is a racist for interrupting the President during a speech.

Well it depends, did he personally sponsor the flying of anti-white flags for years prior? If he did, you could probably make a credible argument he was a racist.

It's interesting to watch the right try and defuse the racism issue.
 

rudder

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Originally posted by: chucky2
Why would he throw a shoe at Bush? Bush made it possible that he could even think of throwing a shoe, much less live afterwards.

If he really wanted to take those to task for those responsible, he should have gone and thrown his shoes at the clerics mind F'ing the populace over there. Gone and thrown his shoes at all his countrypeople who decided to kill each other. Gone and thrown his shoes at Iran for stoking the violence. Gone and thrown his shoes at....well, I think you get the picture.

This guy is exactly what's wrong with the ME mindset: It's everyone's fault but me and mine.

In short: He should throw his shoes in his own face.

Exactyl what I was thinking. It wasn't the United States Army detonating truck bombs in crowded markets.

Had he thrown his shoe at Saddam he would have had a nice long acid batch afterwards.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: Craig234

I think the right name for him is 'patriot'.


Are you sure they wont let you have an Iraqi flag as your avatar instead?
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: Craig234

I think the right name for him is 'patriot'.


Are you sure they wont let you have an Iraqi flag as your avatar instead?

He didn't say he was an American patriot.
 

Druidx

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Corn
Obviously the shoe thrower is a racist for interrupting the President during a speech.

Well it depends, did he personally sponsor the flying of anti-white flags for years prior? If he did, you could probably make a credible argument he was a racist.

It's interesting to watch the right try and defuse the racism issue.

It's just as interesting to see the Left try an make everything be about race to deflect from their parties failings.

The party of change is taking race baiting to a whole new level.
 

CitizenKain

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Originally posted by: chucky2

This guy is exactly what's wrong with the ME mindset: It's everyone's fault but me and mine.

Chuck

Ah yes, its his fault his country was invaded by a dipshit fundamentalist who wanted to settle a grudge. He should have been thankful for the privilege of having his countrymen killed by Americans, instead of Saddam.
Typical Republican mindset: blaming others for their actions.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Druidx
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Corn
Obviously the shoe thrower is a racist for interrupting the President during a speech.

Well it depends, did he personally sponsor the flying of anti-white flags for years prior? If he did, you could probably make a credible argument he was a racist.

It's interesting to watch the right try and defuse the racism issue.

It's just as interesting to see the Left try an make everything be about race to deflect from their parties failings.

The party of change is taking race baiting to a whole new level.

It's like you guys are reading off the same script. Can I have a copy? It's the same basic lie, try to say that the left makes everything about race in order to try and discredit legitimate questions about racism. It's funny, everyone admits that racism exists in America, but the one place it NEVER exists is in whatever controversy exists at the moment. It's almost like the very act of observing racism changes it to not racism. The David Duke uncertainty principle?

Oh, and if you think that Democrats are taking race baiting to a whole new level, then you must not have the slightest clue as to what real race baiting looks like.
 

chucky2

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Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Originally posted by: chucky2

This guy is exactly what's wrong with the ME mindset: It's everyone's fault but me and mine.

Chuck

Ah yes, its his fault his country was invaded by a dipshit fundamentalist

Your opinion = BS

who wanted to settle a grudge.

Your opinion = BS

He should have been thankful for the privilege of having his countrymen killed by Americans, instead of Saddam.

In the grand scale of things, "his countrymen" were killed by his countrymen, not US forces. US forces did - and do - go through almost rediculous RoE to avoid civilian casualties, up to including getting shot at and not returning fire because of political reasons. You only need to look as far as the Iraqi's on why Iraqi's died by such large numbers...to blame that on US is rediculous.

Typical Republican mindset: blaming others for their actions.

No, I just hold them accountable w/o going on a USistheworstandBush&Comademestubmytoeitsalltheirfault bender. The problem is the Iraqi's first, Iran and contributing destabilizing factions second, and third enablers such as yourself that give credence to the first 2 pushing the blame anywhere but themselves. A far far distant number is US forces racking up the death toll.

Chuck

P.S. I'm not a Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, etc. If I had my way, we'd take every politician, their direct senior aides, and lobbyists, and machine gun the whole lot; the few innocents - and there'd be very few - we could elect statues of later. Maybe the next round that got elected would do a better job and be a little cleaner than the cesspool we've got in Washington now.
 

CitizenKain

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Originally posted by: chucky2
untable w/o going on a USistheworstandBush&Comademestubmytoeitsalltheirfault bender. The problem is the Iraqi's first, Iran and contributing destabilizing factions second, and third enablers such as yourself that give credence to the first 2 pushing the blame anywhere but themselves. A far far distant number is US forces racking up the death toll.

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Hahahahahh, wow. That's like hearing a wifebeater give reasons for why he kicked his wife down the stairs.
"I only hit her because she made me to, her friends didn't respect me and someone called me a bad name."
 

chucky2

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Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Originally posted by: chucky2
untable w/o going on a USistheworstandBush&Comademestubmytoeitsalltheirfault bender. The problem is the Iraqi's first, Iran and contributing destabilizing factions second, and third enablers such as yourself that give credence to the first 2 pushing the blame anywhere but themselves. A far far distant number is US forces racking up the death toll.

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Hahahahahh, wow. That's like hearing a wifebeater give reasons for why he kicked his wife down the stairs.
"I only hit her because she made me to, her friends didn't respect me and someone called me a bad name."

Well, I'm glad you finally got that in this case, the "wife beaters" are the Iraqi's themselves, and the "wife" is the shoe thrower. Add in the Iranians and other purposefully destabilizing forces (AQI, jihadists, etc) as the wife beaters co-dysfunctional brother telling his kin he needs to beat that b1tch into submission. Instead of throwing the wife down the stairs though, it's suicide bombing's, IED's, retribution killings, etc.

I'm glad you've come around to Reality now...

Chuck
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: jonks
That's nice.

Frankly I don't give a crap. You do that to a visiting head of state, your ass belongs in jail. Not years in jail, but to jail you must certainly go. He's lucky SS didn't open fire in the room and accidentally kill bystanders.

As to his torture claims, I'll wait and see what any evidence shows. He's super high profile, torturing him would just be dumb.

Why should it matter the individual's title?
 

nageov3t

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just to get things straight... shouting out "lie" = offense to the glory of the office, but throwing a shoe at the president's head = patriot?
 

spittledip

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He makes it sound like everyone in Iraq was all lovey-dovey with each other before the US invaded.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: jonks
That's nice.

Frankly I don't give a crap. You do that to a visiting head of state, your ass belongs in jail. Not years in jail, but to jail you must certainly go. He's lucky SS didn't open fire in the room and accidentally kill bystanders.

As to his torture claims, I'll wait and see what any evidence shows. He's super high profile, torturing him would just be dumb.

I think your post is very wrong, and here's how: you jump from jailing him, which I agree with as right as his 'cause' was, to including 'not caring' if he was abused and tortured, too.

In my opinion his claims are very credible - I've seen reports before this - but we don't have to resolve that to say that it's terrible for it to happen as a matter of principle.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: Craig234

I think the right name for him is 'patriot'.


Are you sure they wont let you have an Iraqi flag as your avatar instead?

He didn't say he was an American patriot.

Exactly, he is an Iraqi patriot. Sometimes, the right falls below the low bar I set in how carefull I explain something.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: loki8481
just to get things straight... shouting out "lie" = offense to the glory of the office, but throwing a shoe at the president's head = patriot?

OK, let's get it straight. First, Wilson is an American who shouted at his own President, while this Iraqi is an Iraqi patriot who disrespected a foreign leader.

Second, the issue for Wilson was his wrongful position that the healthcare plan will provide care for Mexican illegals; for the Iraqi, he'd spent years seeing his country slaughtered, with the shoes he threw, as he said, having walked through countless bomb sites and blod spills. The level of outrage was not the same.

In my response to Wilson, I left the option for such 'disrespect' in an extreme situation. For this Iraqi, it was that extreme situation.

If you had the same thing happen - a foreign power invade the US for its own reasons, and follow policies that led to massive destruction you saw day after day, and you concluded that the foreign leader involved was a war criminal who had responsibility for these serious wrongs, are you saying you would not take advantage of the chance to express your rebellion against him as this journalist did? Why not? Would you just sit quietly and be part of the message that it was ok?