State Sovereignty Movement Quietly Growing

[Socio]

At Least 20 States To Seek State Sovereignty

The text of the bill proposed in Arizona makes the clearest statement of the intent to block unfunded mandates:


"That this Resolution serves as notice and demand to the federal government, as our agent, to cease and desist, effective immediately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers."

and

"That all compulsory federal legislation that directs states to comply under threat of civil or criminal penalties or sanctions or requires states to pass legislation or lose federal funding be prohibited or repealed."

As things stand right now it looks like Oklahoma, Washington, Hawaii, Missouri, Arizona, New Hampshire, Georgia, California, Michigan and Montana will all definitely consider sovereignty bills this year. They may be joined by Arkansas, Colorado, Idaho, Indiana, Alaska, Kansas, Alabama, Nevada, Maine and Pennsylvania where legislators have pledged to introduce similar bills. Twenty states standing up to the federal government and demanding a return to constitutional principles is a great start, but it remains to be seen whether legislatures and governors are brave enough or angry enough to follow through. As the Obama administration and the Democratic Congress push for more expansion of federal power and spending that may help provide the motivation needed for the sovereignty movement to take off.

Links to some of the legislation;

Washington
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinf...px?bill=4009&year=2009

New Hampshire
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.u...tatus/Results.aspx?q=1

Arizona
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDoc.../1r/bills/hcr2024p.htm

Montana
http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billhtml/HB0246.htm

Michigan
http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2009-HCR-0004

Missouri
http://www.house.mo.gov/conten...lls091/bills/hr212.htm

Oklahoma
http://axiomamuse.wordpress.co...o-limit-federal-power/

California
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/..._bill_940829_chaptered

Georgia
http://www.legis.state.ga.us/l...leg/fulltext/sr308.htm

Hawaii
http://www.hawaii-nation.org/



I am all for this I hope all states do it!

This maybe the only way to stop the over reaching, unbelievably underachieving congress from spending us to death. It also maybe the only way to preserve our constitutional rights as we know them.

However the last time this happened was right after the 1859 elections??.and we all know what happened next.

 

[IronWing]

Maybe they can cut a deal. Arizona can be made exempt from federal mandates but in turn gives up all federal funding. The state would wither in a week. The nutjobs in Phoenix forget that Arizona is one of the states that gets back more from the feds than it pays in.

 

[MotF Bane]

Half of your links are broken. WA, NH, AZ, MO, OK, CA, and GA don't work.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: ironwing
Maybe they can cut a deal. Arizona can be made exempt from federal mandates but in turn gives up all federal funding. The state would wither in a week. The nutjobs in Phoenix forget that Arizona is one of the states that gets back more from the feds than it pays in.

However if they give up federal funding it would be a two way street and the State would get the income tax and other federal taxes from its citizens and private businesses that went to the Feds instead and probably be better off financially.

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: ironwing
Maybe they can cut a deal. Arizona can be made exempt from federal mandates but in turn gives up all federal funding. The state would wither in a week. The nutjobs in Phoenix forget that Arizona is one of the states that gets back more from the feds than it pays in.

However if they give up federal funding it would be a two way street and the State would get the income tax and other federal taxes from its citizens and private businesses that went to the Feds instead and probably be better off financially.

You don't seem to understand what it means to receive more from the fed than they pay into it. Quite simply, most of America would be a 3rd world country without the few rich states propping up the rest. Interesting that most of the states pushing for this are rather weak and unable to support themselves. California and Pennsylvania are probably the only ones that would be better off economically on their own.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Half of your links are broken. WA, NH, AZ, MO, OK, CA, and GA don't work.

Sorry about that, I think I fixed most if not all of them

 

[Phokus]

Being from the Northeast, i'm sick of giving more of my money to lazy good for nothing red states in the south than i receive.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Being from the Northeast, i'm sick of giving more of my money to lazy good for nothing red states in the south than i receive.

I don't mind, I just wish they'd stop acting like they are as important when it truth they aren't. Actually I don't mind that either, it's good to have all Americans feel they are equal.

 

[IronWing]

The federal government is the creature of the states. The political makeup of the House is determined largely by state legislatures' gerrymandering of congressional district boundaries, the President is elected by Electoral College, the membership of which is determined by the states. These grandstanding state legislatures are simply trying to pass the political buck off on the feds. "I'm for lower taxes! just make sure I get my federal block grants".

 

[sandorski]

Does this mean what the OP thinks it means? I dunno, I really doubt this is coming to a head because of what Obama has done or plans to do. California, for eg, is probably more ticked that they can't deal with Drug Problems without the DEA interfering in their attempts to fix things. I suspect the rest are pursuing similar longstanding issues as well.

 

[First]

Will never happen in anyone's lifetime barring massive nuclear war/poverty/aliens.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: ironwing
Maybe they can cut a deal. Arizona can be made exempt from federal mandates but in turn gives up all federal funding.

If they can refuse to pay federal taxes, that could be a boon for their individual liberties and freedom.

 

[miketheidiot]

the idea of states and states right is antiquated and needs to be done away with.

 

[imported_K3N]

Cant wait for the upcoming civil war

 

[rchiu]

heh, if the financial crisis doesn't knock the US off the sole super power throne, this division among the states will do the trick for sure. A world dominated by China and US got no say in any international politics will be very interesting and I hope all these states interested only in themselves will be happy with the outcome.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
If they can refuse to pay federal taxes, that could be a boon for their individual liberties and freedom.

Until the state income tax is increased 5-10 times to replace federal subsidies for schools, roads, police, etc. and citizens find out they can't get college loans, collect Social Security or use medicare coverage.

No votes in the house or senate either, and anyone travelling out of state needs a passport.

Fortunately for the citizens of these states, it's not going to happen even after Obama's secret Kenyan Muslim masters are flown into the country to take control.

 

[Andrew1990]

Yay, a civil war! Of course I would never fight my fellow countrymen for the corrupt Washington DC politicians. I would join the rebels!

Anyway, I do believe that the Fed. Government is taking way too much power than it should have. I think the states should hold more power than the Feds.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Yay, a civil war! Of course I would never fight my fellow countrymen for the corrupt Washington DC politicians. I would join the rebels!

Anyway, I do believe that the Fed. Government is taking way too much power than it should have. I think the states should hold more power than the Feds.

If that were the case imagine how much it'd suck in places like Utah and Oklahoma!

 

[gingermeggs]

Originally posted by: rchiu
heh, if the financial crisis doesn't knock the US off the sole super power throne, this division among the states will do the trick for sure. A world dominated by China and US got no say in any international politics will be very interesting and I hope all these states interested only in themselves will be happy with the outcome.

We hear this "the devil you know" bullshit all the time, just maybe the red devil isn't so bad?
one thing for sure "free market" capitalism has cut the wings off the average joe negotiating
power for a fair renumeration for his labors. And it has been funny to watch the US under bushes
neo-con watch, block state owned Chinese corps from legitimately buying up the oil multinationals,
"money talks, bullshit walks". I wonder when the B.O.C will go international, maybe then we can cut out the middleman and his greedy, sausage fingered hand in finance.
I for one, I believe America was great when it manufactured stuff, made to last a lifetime (anti-consumerist designs) the finest products in the world, stuff like Stanley tools, before the war against workers began by the big money people parading as capitalists (their only ideology is the retention of power and money) .
I hope the American people pull together and purge the scum they have built up, in the darkness of her bilge!
We have gone from dairy to metalurgy- no longer does the cream rise to the top, Its the SCUM!
:brokenheart:

 

[MovingTarget]

We tried that once before and it didn't work out too well. It is a pipe dream. However, the issue of unfunded mandates is a serious one. Many states simply can't keep up with certain required mandates that simply do more harm than good. Another thing that needs to be addressed is the practice of tying federal fund disbursement to states passing certain laws. This I feel is an end-run around the constitution. Sure, states have the "option" of forgoing federal funding, but in reality they have no choice. So, they enact laws that the federal gvt could not do so themselves so they don't lose said funding.

 

[Andrew1990]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Yay, a civil war! Of course I would never fight my fellow countrymen for the corrupt Washington DC politicians. I would join the rebels!

Anyway, I do believe that the Fed. Government is taking way too much power than it should have. I think the states should hold more power than the Feds.

If that were the case imagine how much it'd suck in places like Utah and Oklahoma!

Well then the better off states would consume these death holes and even out the craptasticness.

Of course I am just kind of rambling here....

 

[LS8]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
the idea of states and states right is antiquated and needs to be done away with.

Thank you for that lovely insight. When do you plan on banning free speech?

 

[Schadenfroh]

Years ago, my state (at the time one of the wealthiest in the nation) "stuck it to the man" and soldiers dressed in blue came and burned many of the cities. Now, we are one of the poorest.


I would highly recommend against screwing with the the federal government.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: rchiu
heh, if the financial crisis doesn't knock the US off the sole super power throne, this division among the states will do the trick for sure. A world dominated by China and US got no say in any international politics will be very interesting and I hope all these states interested only in themselves will be happy with the outcome.

china is decades away from being a dominant power

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: LS8

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
the idea of states and states right is antiquated and needs to be done away with.

Thank you for that lovely insight. When do you plan on banning free speech?

what the hell does 'states rights' have to do with free speech?