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State of VA rejects common-sense "school zero tolerance" reforms, like for child expelled for plastic cutlery

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Drop That Spork! 'Zero Tolerance' Goes to Richmond

Bradley Marrs realized the folly of "zero tolerance" when a boy at his children's middle school was suspended after being caught with a plastic knife that his mother -- a teacher! -- had packed with the cake he brought to school to celebrate his birthday.

Dwight Jones grew angry about zero tolerance when he saw children caught in possession of over-the-counter medications -- with their parents' permission -- "being treated as if they were carrying a gun."

Marrs and Jones have the advantage of being able to do something about the blind, unthinking punishment of children who pull pranks, mistakenly bring a nail clipper to school or try to protect themselves when assaulted. Marrs and Jones, members of Virginia's House of Delegates, last week tried to persuade fellow lawmakers to add a smidgen of sense to zero tolerance laws.

School systems "have basically outlawed everything," said Marrs, a Republican from Richmond. He told the House Education Committee of a high school boy -- an honor student -- who was suspended for five days for fighting off an attacker. "He did nothing wrong, and he got suspended," Marrs said.

Marrs sought no revolution; he proposed only that exceptions to the zero tolerance rule be carved out for students who defend themselves, children caught possessing a plastic cafeteria utensil without threatening or attacking others and students who possess a nonprescription medication with a parent's permission. "On any given day, any number of teenage girls are walking around with a Midol in their pocketbook," Marrs said. A crime worthy of expulsion?

But a procession of lobbyists representing principals and school boards defended zero tolerance as our last line of defense against terrible children eager to turn schools into war zones. A member of the Henrico County School Board, desperate to save a system that teaches children the opposite of discretion, even played the terrorism card, arguing to lawmakers that plastic utensils are a primo tool for budding hijackers.

Marrs's bill died in a 13 to 8 vote.

 


<< I swear that these officials have no COMMON SENSE!!! >>

That's the whole point. These laws seem to be written so that there is no need for common sense or good judgement, so they can be enforced by the stupid as well as the thoughtless. All or nothing, Zero or One. Ridiculous.
 
Ah yes... the stupidity of 'zero tolerance' continues. I just don't understand how these people can be stupid enough to not realize that there simply isn't a 'one size fits all' solution to everything. Each situation is different and should be treated accordingly.

A kid has a plastic fork in the lunch bag for lunch.... that's not a problem. The kid then tries to hurt someone with that fork, THAT's a problem that merits further action.

Sigh, the stupidity will never end.
 
It's truly scary that this is not a joke.


<< But a procession of lobbyists representing principals and school boards defended zero tolerance as our last line of defense against terrible children eager to turn schools into war zones. A member of the Henrico County School Board, desperate to save a system that teaches children the opposite of discretion, even played the terrorism card, arguing to lawmakers that plastic utensils are a primo tool for budding hijackers. >>


Are you fvcking kidding me?? War zones? Terrorism? Why must these insipid people use such stupid, mindless cliches? Turns the stomach...:disgust:
 
Well that settles it...I am not going to have kids. I would hate to bring up a child in this type of environment.
 


<< It's truly scary that this is not a joke.


<< But a procession of lobbyists representing principals and school boards defended zero tolerance as our last line of defense against terrible children eager to turn schools into war zones. A member of the Henrico County School Board, desperate to save a system that teaches children the opposite of discretion, even played the terrorism card, arguing to lawmakers that plastic utensils are a primo tool for budding hijackers. >>


Are you fvcking kidding me?? War zones? Terrorism? Why must these insipid people use such stupid, mindless cliches? Turns the stomach...:disgust:
>>


totally agree. how about making the parents responsible for these "problem kids" rather than making great students suffer from the school boards lack of common sense. i have a feeling a case like this will one day very soon make it to the Supreme Court. :disgust:
 


<< But a procession of lobbyists representing principals and school boards defended zero tolerance as our last line of defense against terrible children eager to turn schools into war zones. >>


I think not allowing teenage girls to carry Midol will turn schools into a war zone worse than a couple plastic utensils.



<< even played the terrorism card, arguing to lawmakers that plastic utensils are a primo tool for budding hijackers. >>


Oh what, the kids are going to hijack the twisty slide or something? This is so ridiculous.



I have no clue how these people are allowed to make any decisions about anything.
 
What they need to do is enforce the same rules on the teachers, and in particular, the administrators. Maybe that would help bring the message home. Bring a spork to school? You're fired. Got your arthritis pain medication in your desk drawer? You're fired. It's a perfect example of why most things are best settled by finding some sort of middle ground. Such as using common sense (the whole point of the article.) They'll hopefully take a PR black eye over this and probably change things as a result. Their biggest problem though is that teachers are no longer able to really punish children so middle ground is tough to come by. If a student punishes a child via any of the means we used to have 20-30 years ago some parent would probably sue the school system blind. It's a great new world we live in.
 
WHAT THE FVCK IS WRONG WITH THIS WORLD???

I'M GONNA FVCKING KILL YOU ALL WITH MY PLASTIC KNIFE! OR MY PERMITTED PRESCRIPTION PILLS!?!!

WHAT THE FVCK????@!!?!?!
 
<<I think not allowing teenage girls to carry Midol will turn schools into a war zone worse than a couple plastic utensils.>>

LMAO!

I shudder to think about how things are going to be in 10 years or so when I have kids. Good thing I'm stubborn enough to be the "parent from hell" if someone trys to pull some bullsh!t like that.

ZV
 
My school has a zero-tolerance policy as well, but at least they have some judgement to it. I go to a hick school, which may have something to do with it. People carry pocket knives, always have, always will, lighters etc. and even used them in various experiments. The teachers look past it because they know that they won't be able to change it. Our student body has an enormous amount of power, things are running smoothly so they see no reason why they should install things like metal detectors etc. and make things harder for everyone. Though if you get into a fight, you are automatically suspended. Same with drugs and alcohol. This is possibly the only thing i like about my school, i can dress as i please, listen to music i like and read whatever i want. The fact that the whole place is crumbling to the ground and has a thousand and one things wrong with it is a downer though
 
Good. In my area some kids were playing (none called it a fight) and they were throwing snowballs on school grounds and some got suspended for it because it was a violent act.
 


<< WHAT THE FVCK IS WRONG WITH THIS WORLD???

I'M GONNA FVCKING KILL YOU ALL WITH MY PLASTIC KNIFE! OR MY PERMITTED PRESCRIPTION PILLS!?!!

WHAT THE FVCK????@!!?!?!
>>



You should be banned for life, immediately.
I think ATOT needs a zero tolerance policy and nutcases like this who could seriously hurt someone through the internet are put away for life.
<KIDDING>
 
See this? Humans are bianary. So are all their actions. Right or wrong. WHY CANT YOU SEE THIS?! There is no middle ground!

(Note the sarcasm)
 
I'll spork your a$$ man!
Give me a break, this is bullshlt. They have this nonsense in North Carolina and items such as "nail clippers" are deadly weapons. Damn, car keys, credit cards, even a friggin textbook is a weapon if used with the intent to cause harm. Saying plastic knifes are deadly just goes to show how pathetic "educators" are. If they are so damn intelligent and know all their is about safety, then why can't they figure out a better system than "Zero Tolerance?"
 
Which is more than a shame, because children like Benjamin Ratner are being treated with utter idiocy. When Ben was in eighth grade at Blue Ridge Middle School in Loudoun County in 1999, he was suspended for four months because he took a knife away from a schoolmate who told him she was considering suicide.

The school board called Ben's action "noble" and "admirable." Then they threw him out of school. Zero tolerance, kid; you had the knife.

Ben's family sued to reverse the insanity -- and lost. The 4th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled last year that federal courts have no say on zero tolerance policies, but Judge Clyde H. Hamilton praised Ben's "common sense" and called him "the victim of good intentions run amuck."

"The panic over school violence," Hamilton wrote, "has caused school officials to jettison the common sense idea that a person's punishment should fit his crime."

Alas, the judge concluded he could not do anything about this; restoring sanity is the job of the legislature. God save us all.


I think what the kids should do is let the teachers take the knives, then as soon as the teacher has it run away saying "he or she is trying to kill me THE TEACHER IS TRYING TO KILL ME!!!"

This makes me ashamed to live in this state I feel like a real hillbilly with backwards schoolin.
 
Things like this make me glad I am long out of the VA school system. Who knew a spork could cause so much trouble? Maybe they should ban pencils, pens, compasses, and any utensils in the cafeteria.
 
The saddest thing about all this is that it is not new, nor limited just to VA.

I graduated from school in WA state almost 13 years ago and, in my junior year (~1988), a kid with good grades was expelled for possessing OTC tylenol. I actually witnessed the event. He was at his locker, opened the tylenol container, and popped a couple. A geeky kid that no one liked ran to the nearest teacher and said that he saw him "doing drugs." Of course that wasn't true and even the teachers knew it but "zero tolerance," he was expelled from the district.
In the 8th grade, I witnessed a kid getting beat up by a bully. The kid did nothing, did not even try to protect himself, got bloodied, both were suspended.
 
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