State Farm Says No New Policies in Mississippi

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:roll: After the crap they pulled, they should be out of business...

State Farm Says No New Policies in Mississippi
By MICHAEL KUNZELMAN
AP
(Feb. 14) - State Farm Insurance Cos. is suspending sales of any new commercial or homeowner policies in Mississippi starting Friday, citing in part a wave of litigation it has faced since Hurricane Katrina, a company official said Wednesday.

Mike Fernandez, vice president of public affairs for State Farm, said Mississippi's "current legal and political environment is simply untenable. We're just not in a position to accept any additional risk in this homeowners' market."

Fernandez said the decision does not affect existing policies but the company is still assessing how many of the current policies in Mississippi will be renewed this year.

Fernandez said the action was not a direct response to any specific development in the litigation. That litigation has included a recent federal jury's $2.5 million punitive damage award to a couple who sued State Farm for refusing to cover the 2005 hurricane's storm surge damage to their Biloxi home.

U.S. District Judge L.T. Senter Jr. later reduced the award to $1 million, even though Senter said State Farm acted in a "grossly negligent way" by denying the claim filed by policyholders Norman and Genevieve Broussard.

State Farm, the largest homeowners insurer in Mississippi with more than 30 percent of the market, has agreed to settle hundreds of lawsuits by policyholders and reopen and pay thousands of other disputed claims. The landmark deal is potentially worth hundreds of millions of dollars for Mississippi homeowners devastated by Katrina.

The company had written roughly 29,000 new homeowner policies in the Mississippi in 2006, while other companies were writing a smaller percentage of claims, Fernandez said.

The decision does not impact State Farm's financial services, banking products or automobile coverage in the state. And Fernandez said Mississippi is the only state where his company has suspended writing new policies.

"The political and regulatory and legal environment in the other two states (hit by Katrina) - Louisiana and Alabama - is not the situation in Mississippi," he said.

State Farm and other insurers say their homeowner policies cover damage from wind but not from water - and exclude damage that could have been caused by a combination of both, even if hurricane-force winds preceded a storm's rising water. Hundreds of policyholders have challenged that claim, saying they are entitled to damages from storm surge.

"We don't want to write new policies under a contract that they are calling into question," Fernandez said.

The settlement reached last month calls for State Farm to pay about $80 million to more than 600 policyholders who sued the company for refusing to cover damage caused by Katrina on Aug. 29, 2005.

Senter later said he would not sign off on part of the agreement, a deal between State Farm and Mississippi Attorney General Jim Hood for at least $50 million in payments to policyholders whose claims were denied but didn't sue the company.

Senter said he doesn't have enough information to determine how many policyholders would benefit from the deal or how much each can be paid.

State Farm said earlier that it already has paid roughly $1.1 billion for about 84,000 property claims in Mississippi.
 

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if they'd just settle these things honestly they'd probably not be faced with this situation.
"The political and regulatory and legal environment in the other two states (hit by Katrina) - Louisiana and Alabama - is not the situation in Mississippi," he said.
what they really mean is, "we got our ass handed to us in punitive damages in mississippi court, so we're not going to stick around."
 

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
if they'd just settle these things honestly they'd probably not be faced with this situation.
"The political and regulatory and legal environment in the other two states (hit by Katrina) - Louisiana and Alabama - is not the situation in Mississippi," he said.
what they really mean is, "we got our ass handed to us in punitive damages in mississippi court, so we're not going to stick around."

Well, the punitive damages alone SHOULD have been enough to bankrupt them.
 

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oh look...another news thread from Amused...


yeah...:thumbsup:

Hey, I post interesting subjects to spark conversations and discussion.

Better than treating OT like my own personal blog and making a post every time I get a pimple or have a bowl movement.
 

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: ElFenix
if they'd just settle these things honestly they'd probably not be faced with this situation.
"The political and regulatory and legal environment in the other two states (hit by Katrina) - Louisiana and Alabama - is not the situation in Mississippi," he said.
what they really mean is, "we got our ass handed to us in punitive damages in mississippi court, so we're not going to stick around."

Well, the punitive damages alone SHOULD have been enough to bankrupt them.

I'm not so sure that they should be bankrupt but these companies take and take and take on premiums (ever increasing) and when it's time to pay (even a small claim as I discovered a few years ago), they strong arm their way out of it any way they can, regardless of policy and circumstances of the damage.
 

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Do you realize that their is a correct forum for this?

That being said, State Farm turned a healthy profit last year. I forget how many billion, but they should be quite alright.
 

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Do you realize that their is a correct forum for this?

That being said, State Farm turned a healthy profit last year. I forget how many billion, but they should be quite alright.

Sure they turned a healthy profit. They took ever rising premiums and screwed the policy holders when it came time to pay.
 

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: ElFenix
if they'd just settle these things honestly they'd probably not be faced with this situation.
"The political and regulatory and legal environment in the other two states (hit by Katrina) - Louisiana and Alabama - is not the situation in Mississippi," he said.
what they really mean is, "we got our ass handed to us in punitive damages in mississippi court, so we're not going to stick around."

Well, the punitive damages alone SHOULD have been enough to bankrupt them.

I'm not so sure that they should be bankrupt but these companies take and take and take on premiums (ever increasing) and when it's time to pay (even a small claim as I discovered a few years ago), they strong arm their way out of it any way they can, regardless of policy and circumstances of the damage.

Have you read the whole story on SF's post Katrina fraud?

After you do, total bankrupcy seems quite just.
 

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Do you realize that their is a correct forum for this?

That being said, State Farm turned a healthy profit last year. I forget how many billion, but they should be quite alright.

No politics here. :p

Yes, I know, and it's absurd. The punitive damages for their post Kartrina fraud SHOULD have been high enough to bankrupt them. Hopefully the pending cases will.
 

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Originally posted by: Amused

Well, the punitive damages alone SHOULD have been enough to bankrupt them.

insurance companies can't go bankrupt ;)
 

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: ElFenix
if they'd just settle these things honestly they'd probably not be faced with this situation.
"The political and regulatory and legal environment in the other two states (hit by Katrina) - Louisiana and Alabama - is not the situation in Mississippi," he said.
what they really mean is, "we got our ass handed to us in punitive damages in mississippi court, so we're not going to stick around."

Well, the punitive damages alone SHOULD have been enough to bankrupt them.

I'm not so sure that they should be bankrupt but these companies take and take and take on premiums (ever increasing) and when it's time to pay (even a small claim as I discovered a few years ago), they strong arm their way out of it any way they can, regardless of policy and circumstances of the damage.

Have you read the whole story on SF's post Katrina fraud?

After you do, total bankrupcy seems quite just.

That's why I said "I'm not so sure". I didn't know all of the details. I have heard bits and pieces and wasn't even sure which insurance company I had heard about. With that said, I filed a small claim with Allstate a few years ago ($2,500 worth) and was put through the ringer so bad that I tried to cancel the claim as it wasn't worth it. Finally, after calling the insurance rep, a new adjuster was assigned and took care of the claim with less headache. I'm raising my deductible this year on both my cars and my home. Hell, as in everything else, might as well become self insured. (almost).

 

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Amused

Well, the punitive damages alone SHOULD have been enough to bankrupt them.

insurance companies can't go bankrupt ;)

:p

It's just absurd that a phony breast implant case can bankrupt Dow, yet this obviously valid case barely bruises State Farm.
 

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I work for an insurance company (albeit health insurance). I know for a fact just how evil they can be.
 

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Originally posted by: Aharami
I work for an insurance company (albeit health insurance). I know for a fact just how evil they can be.

Yeah, but this went WAY beyond typical insurance shenanigans.
 

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I knew they were not going to sell any new policies south of Hattiesburg (does not really hurt me, I live in Hattiesburg), that part is old news. I take it they are now expanding that policy to the entire state?

<---- Mississippi citizen, but has Allstate (allstate paid up after Katrina, roof, siding, and some of the wooden flooring were replaced)
 

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After following the ongoing battles those people have faced due to State Farm since Katrina, I decided State Farm will never insure anything of mine.
 

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Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
After following the ongoing battles those people have faced due to State Farm since Katrina, I decided State Farm will never insure anything of mine.

It's a good start, but not enough. State Farm needs to go under. If not bankrupt, it needs to have it's license pulled by state governments.
 

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: TallBill
Do you realize that their is a correct forum for this?

That being said, State Farm turned a healthy profit last year. I forget how many billion, but they should be quite alright.

Sure they turned a healthy profit. They took ever rising premiums and screwed the policy holders when it came time to pay.

Of course, they are a business and the will screw with people as long as they can so they can hold on to their money, please Wall Street and make even more money!

Greed FTL!
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Jawo
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: TallBill
Do you realize that their is a correct forum for this?

That being said, State Farm turned a healthy profit last year. I forget how many billion, but they should be quite alright.

Sure they turned a healthy profit. They took ever rising premiums and screwed the policy holders when it came time to pay.

Of course, they are a business and the will screw with people as long as they can so they can hold on to their money, please Wall Street and make even more money!

Greed FTL!

This is not typical for a business. This is outright fraud and conspiracy to commit fraud. The people who perpatrated this were interested in numbers and getting ahead in their jobs more than money.

To equate this with most businesses is absurd.
 

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
After following the ongoing battles those people have faced due to State Farm since Katrina, I decided State Farm will never insure anything of mine.
It's a good start, but not enough. State Farm needs to go under. If not bankrupt, it needs to have it's license pulled by state governments.
In three generations, my family has never had anything but exceptionally great service and response from State Farm. Not so much as a hint of difficulty or dishonesty.

Can someone point a link to what supposedly happened with SF's homeowners claims post Katrina? In my experience with homeowner's policies it has always been very clearly spelled out that water damage, in any form, is NOT covered by homeowner's insurance and that separate flood insurance MUST be purchased in order to have coverage for any water damage.

ZV
 

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Jawo
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: TallBill
Do you realize that their is a correct forum for this?

That being said, State Farm turned a healthy profit last year. I forget how many billion, but they should be quite alright.

Sure they turned a healthy profit. They took ever rising premiums and screwed the policy holders when it came time to pay.

Of course, they are a business and the will screw with people as long as they can so they can hold on to their money, please Wall Street and make even more money!

Greed FTL!

This is not typical for a business. This is outright fraud and conspiracy to commit fraud. The people who perpatrated this were interested in numbers and getting ahead in their jobs more than money.

To equate this with most businesses is absurd.

yeap. this was not normal business. they commited fraud..well at least they tried to.

i am glad the courts are nailing them for it though